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Post by Granny Charmed on Feb 12, 2017 8:29:07 GMT -5
Let's assume dears they still fired Shannen, and Holly and a few other cast members walked off in protest. The WB just ended the series.
How would you feel about the show ending with All Hell Breaks Loose dears, and how would it affect the show's legacy going forward.
Could you see the series eventually being revived with a movie or revival series in the future years later even with Shannen returning, had it concluded with season 3 in 2001?
Or could you see a short limited series (only about 6 to 8 episodes) or a tv special that gives closure to All Hell Breaks Loose without a new sister and just closing out with just the surviving sisters, Leo and Cole. This would be in the instance WB didn't give a season 4 and cancelled Charmed, but fan outcry demanded closure and a year or two later it happened.
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Post by Esmeralda on Feb 12, 2017 10:01:54 GMT -5
I would've loved it! That's always where I thought it should've ended, with us having no idea who if anyone had survived.
I think there would've been such an uproar that it would've led to a TV movie (including Shannen) and depending upon what happened with the movie, possibility of another one or a possible spin-off - most likely a Cole/Phoebe one with the others guest-starring.
And undoubtedly we'd now see Netflix picking it up and possibly even giving us a reboot.
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Post by StoryGirl83 on Feb 12, 2017 10:38:38 GMT -5
I'd like to say I would have be glad of what I was spared, but honestly, I wouldn't have known what I was spared, so I would have just been annoyed and due to the way I actually watched the show (on DVD), it would have been very dependent, for me, on if the show even made it to DVD and there are a lot of shorter shows from that time period that still haven't made it to DVD along with a couple of longer ones (believe me, I'm watching and waiting).
Due to the way I watched it (season 3 followed by season 2 followed by season 1) and why I watched it (a vague recollection that I had liked it when I originally saw a couple episodes years earlier), had it come to DVD and I'd still found it, I would have still watched it and it probably would have become one of those shows that I used as an example of how not to end a show (this is an actual conversation I have on many occasions).
As for online forums, I can almost guarantee I would not have joined any. I went searching online because I wanted to figure out what the deal was with Chris and ending with season three means no Chris. In fact, had the season six DVDs been out when I finished season five, I probably wouldn't be hear either. Charmed is the only online community I am part of (unless one counts a limited community centered around a campaign to get Zach Addy back on Bones, which I am thrilled to say after a decade, we finally do have on a limited bases during this final season). My journey to the Charmed community is one that is very "if this didn't happen, well, then none of this would have following it." I didn't seek out being part of this community. I just kind of got there and one of the most important pieces to why I am here, is Es. So thanks for that, Es.
(I will note, a lot of this is dependant on the timing. Had that show aired now (say from 2008 to 2016 or in this scenario from 2008 to 2011) rather than when it did, I might have ended up part of the online community, but seeing as my initial connection was a rewrite of the series finale . . . I just don't know. Maybe instead of a rewrite of "Forever Charmed" it would have been a rewrite of "All Hell Breaks Loose" that pulled me in.)
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Post by ShadowCat on Feb 12, 2017 14:40:36 GMT -5
Let's assume dears they still fired Shannen, and Holly and a few other cast members walked off in protest. The WB just ended the series. How would you feel about the show ending with All Hell Breaks Loose dears, and how would it affect the show's legacy going forward. Could you see the series eventually being revived with a movie or revival series in the future years later even with Shannen returning, had it concluded with season 3 in 2001? Or could you see a short limited series (only about 6 to 8 episodes) or a tv special that gives closure to All Hell Breaks Loose without a new sister and just closing out with just the surviving sisters, Leo and Cole. This would be in the instance WB didn't give a season 4 and cancelled Charmed, but fan outcry demanded closure and a year or two later it happened. Wow GC, this was hard as I liked more than one of your possible conclusions. Since I would have liked some closure and I don't think I could get that to my liking unless Prue was still part of it ... I had to go with the obvious choice. Nice thread. Thank you for getting it on the menu. |
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Post by ShadowCat on Feb 12, 2017 14:46:20 GMT -5
I would've loved it! That's always where I thought it should've ended, with us having no idea who if anyone had survived. I think there would've been such an uproar that it would've led to a TV movie (including Shannen) and depending upon what happened with the movie, possibility of another one or a possible spin-off - most likely a Cole/Phoebe one with the others guest-starring. And undoubtedly we'd now see Netflix picking it up and possibly even giving us a reboot. You hit a note when you mentioned ending the series at season 3 and not knowing if any of the girls survived. That I think would have caused some heavy feed back from the viewers. If the powers that be were truly smart, I would like to think they planned that move, with the idea that they had something on the table for the future. So they wait a year and then start dropping hints that coming the following year, tune in to see what happened to The Charmed Ones. The anticipation would have driven us nuts. Then you gave me an idea for an off the wall twist. Both Prue and Piper died but came back as white-lighters, or something. Phoebe remains in the manor, but has become reclusive. With the loss of both sister's her relationship with Cole is now icy. Phoebe is not aware in the beginning that Prue and Piper will be returning to her, but being a clever girl who was good at figuring things out, worked to prepare for what ever the days ahead would bring her. Since The Source was still around, but not interest in her as she is now a solitary witch, she is free to practice, study ... grow. As time goes by during that first year, she little by little receives her sister's powers. Everything is baby steps, but our Phoebe has learn patience and discipline. Once her new found maturity is full blown the 3 are reunited in the attic. My idea is a bit shaky, but I think it's still in keeping with Melinda's prophecy, for in the end it did take all three to bring about the demise of The Source. If that was indeed the job they were destined for ... case closed. What would come after that might depend on the outcry of the fans. |
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Post by ShadowCat on Feb 12, 2017 15:16:10 GMT -5
I'd like to say I would have be glad of what I was spared, but honestly, I wouldn't have known what I was spared, so I would have just been annoyed and due to the way I actually watched the show (on DVD), it would have been very dependent, for me, on if the show even made it to DVD and there are a lot of shorter shows from that time period that still haven't made it to DVD along with a couple of longer ones (believe me, I'm watching and waiting). Due to the way I watched it (season 3 followed by season 2 followed by season 1) and why I watched it (a vague recollection that I had liked it when I originally saw a couple episodes years earlier), had it come to DVD and I'd still found it, I would have still watched it and it probably would have become one of those shows that I used as an example of how not to end a show (this is an actual conversation I have on many occasions). As for online forums, I can almost guarantee I would not have joined any. I went searching online because I wanted to figure out what the deal was with Chris and ending with season three means no Chris. In fact, had the season six DVDs been out when I finished season five, I probably wouldn't be hear either. Charmed is the only online community I am part of (unless one counts a limited community centered around a campaign to get Zach Addy back on Bones, which I am thrilled to say after a decade, we finally do have on a limited bases during this final season). My journey to the Charmed community is one that is very "if this didn't happen, well, then none of this would have following it." I didn't seek out being part of this community. I just kind of got there and one of the most important pieces to why I am here, is Es. So thanks for that, Es. (I will note, a lot of this is dependant on the timing. Had that show aired now (say from 2008 to 2016 or in this scenario from 2008 to 2011) rather than when it did, I might have ended up part of the online community, but seeing as my initial connection was a rewrite of the series finale . . . I just don't know. Maybe instead of a rewrite of "Forever Charmed" it would have been a rewrite of "All Hell Breaks Loose" that pulled me in.) Oh SG, you had me ROTF. If we had never viewed what mess we had been given, most of us would not be here to correct, critique, challenge and create. Perhaps we should compose a thank you letter to King Kernal for adding to our studies the course of the 4 (C's). Huummm, now that I ponder it, I always wanted 4 (C) harmed Ones. Like you and I gather many others, I didn't view this show in steady chronological order. This might have been both good and bad. Throughout the years I found myself playing, as an auditor of a class I wasn't receiving credit for, (The 4 (C's). Not thinking of myself as being the smartest tool in the garden shed ... I always hoped at least some of my fantasies would come to view. Usually I received an (F) in that department. Oh well, it brought me here, now didn't it? Ah, using this as how not to end a show. You do have my attention, please fell free to submit that paper as there is still room in this class. LOL! Side note. I love "Bones", but I have been having trouble finding it. Zach Addy is or was returning? If I have missed this I am going to the library and playing catch-up. I adored him and think his departure was a major mistake. |
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Post by StoryGirl83 on Feb 12, 2017 16:49:26 GMT -5
I'd like to say I would have be glad of what I was spared, but honestly, I wouldn't have known what I was spared, so I would have just been annoyed and due to the way I actually watched the show (on DVD), it would have been very dependent, for me, on if the show even made it to DVD and there are a lot of shorter shows from that time period that still haven't made it to DVD along with a couple of longer ones (believe me, I'm watching and waiting). Due to the way I watched it (season 3 followed by season 2 followed by season 1) and why I watched it (a vague recollection that I had liked it when I originally saw a couple episodes years earlier), had it come to DVD and I'd still found it, I would have still watched it and it probably would have become one of those shows that I used as an example of how not to end a show (this is an actual conversation I have on many occasions). As for online forums, I can almost guarantee I would not have joined any. I went searching online because I wanted to figure out what the deal was with Chris and ending with season three means no Chris. In fact, had the season six DVDs been out when I finished season five, I probably wouldn't be hear either. Charmed is the only online community I am part of (unless one counts a limited community centered around a campaign to get Zach Addy back on Bones, which I am thrilled to say after a decade, we finally do have on a limited bases during this final season). My journey to the Charmed community is one that is very "if this didn't happen, well, then none of this would have following it." I didn't seek out being part of this community. I just kind of got there and one of the most important pieces to why I am here, is Es. So thanks for that, Es. (I will note, a lot of this is dependant on the timing. Had that show aired now (say from 2008 to 2016 or in this scenario from 2008 to 2011) rather than when it did, I might have ended up part of the online community, but seeing as my initial connection was a rewrite of the series finale . . . I just don't know. Maybe instead of a rewrite of "Forever Charmed" it would have been a rewrite of "All Hell Breaks Loose" that pulled me in.) Oh SG, you had me ROTF. If we had never viewed what mess we had been given, most of us would not be here to correct, critique, challenge and create. Perhaps we should compose a thank you letter to King Kernal for adding to our studies the course of the 4 (C's). Huummm, now that I ponder it, I always wanted 4 (C) harmed Ones. Like you and I gather many others, I didn't view this show in steady chronological order. This might have been both good and bad. Throughout the years I found myself playing, as an auditor of a class I wasn't receiving credit for, (The 4 (C's). Not thinking of myself as being the smartest tool in the garden shed ... I always hoped at least some of my fantasies would come to view. Usually I received an (F) in that department. Oh well, it brought me here, now didn't it? Ah, using this as how not to end a show. You do have my attention, please fell free to submit that paper as there is still room in this class. LOL! Side note. I love "Bones", but I have been having trouble finding it. Zach Addy is or was returning? If I have missed this I am going to the library and playing catch-up. I adored him and think his departure was a major mistake. On the topic of Zack Addy, he was in the finale of the last season and then in the first episode of this season (which is the final season) and in both he was in there in present day (verses a flashback or a dream sequence). I believe he will be in three more episodes this season including episode eleven (which the actor stated at some point he had just finished shooting). There are only six more episodes in the series (the next airing Tuesday). I did not watch seasons eight through eleven and I only have the first three seasons on DVD, so basically I have every episode that is present day with Zack and nothing more (season three has the first few episodes of the next season which includes Zack's last present day episode until the very brief reappearance in the season eleven finale. I got so uninterested in every thing that was going on. I watched the show for Zack and Hodgins and eventually Hodgins wasn't enough and when I got to the point where I had an entire season of Bones lying unwatched on DVR I just deleted the entire season (season eight) and declared I wasn't watching another episode of Bones unless Zack came back . . . which I didn't until he did. I will most likely watched the missing seasons eventually as to my view somewhere they got back to the show I loved, because I am back to seeing the characters how I loved them (or ignored them in some cases) in the early seasons. As things stand, I would totally watch this show for Hodgins and Angela right now. The fact that Zack has either been in or been mentioned in four or five of the six episodes so far this season is just the icing on the cake. I will absolutely be getting this season. My Bones collection will be hilariously stunted: Seasons 1, 2, 3, and 12. This is the only show I have ever done that with. I do enjoy the two Zack episodes I am missing (at the ends of season four and five), but for now I don't have them. If you are a Zack fan, you need to watch this season. Back on to Charmed: Exactly. No matter what we think of the various seasons, we are mostly here as a result of the effect those seasons had on us as a whole and that includes the parts we didn't like. We can say we would be thrilled if it had ended with season three and some of us would be. I've listened to Es on the subject enough that I think she would be happy with that as an ending even if she had no idea what the alternative was. And it might change things if we knew the show ended with season three, because there would be no more Prue. We might not know what would happen after, but maybe knowing there would be no Prue would be enough for us to be glad of the ending we got (if season three was the ending). Maybe, but I know myself enough to know it wouldn't be. The season two finale of one of my shows (Witches of East End) was actually worse than that, way worse than that and it ended up being the series finale. I cannot see myself being glad of that ever. I also can't see myself seeking out a forum or fanfics (maybe fanfics . . . I may need to look into that, see if someone wrote a finale I can use as head canon) of that. Sometimes the shows you love the most are the ones that took you through a roller coaster ride, but in the end you are left with a show you love (which is kind of how I feel about Bones at the moment. I quit watching the show for four years, but now I am back watching it, because it returned the things and characters I loved about it . . . King of the Lab!  ) On your comments to Es . . . that idea may be underdeveloped, but it's a pretty awesome idea. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Feb 12, 2017 18:12:21 GMT -5
Love your ideas, SC - what a great way to lead into my possible spin-off.
The thing is Melinda's prophecy had nothing to do with defeating the Source - it was to protect innocents. Me, I'd want that one to continue. Yes, she'd still want to get rid of him after he got rid of her sisters, but it wouldn't fulfill her destiny.
I guess it's the only thing I don't like about all of this - if it's still on The WB, we'd probably still be stuck with Kern and still end up with something very close to what we got stuck with - Cole the Source, get rid of him, Phoebe on her own, giving birth to the Phoetus with him taking Wyatt's place, then her jumping from guy to guy to guy looking for her daughter's sperm donor, with that daughter coming back to try to save evil Phoetus. *sigh*
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Post by Chrisaholic on Feb 13, 2017 9:29:21 GMT -5
I wouldn't probably be here either since I liked mysterious series(guys) at that time and was watching something completely different. I came back for Chris and certainly never would have made a fan of Drew and Wes, so to speak.  The Charmed Sons, however seen nowadays, brought me back. |
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Post by adzpower on Feb 14, 2017 7:43:01 GMT -5
I would have been extremely upset and disappointed at the time. But hindsight can be a nasty thing indeed.
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Post by ShadowCat on Feb 15, 2017 13:23:26 GMT -5
@ StoryGirl
"Back on to Charmed: Exactly. No matter what we think of the various seasons, we are mostly here as a result of the effect those seasons had on us as a whole and that includes the parts we didn't like. We can say we would be thrilled if it had ended with season three and some of us would be. I've listened to Es on the subject enough that I think she would be happy with that as an ending even if she had no idea what the alternative was. And it might change things if we knew the show ended with season three, because there would be no more Prue. We might not know what would happen after, but maybe knowing there would be no Prue would be enough for us to be glad of the ending we got (if season three was the ending). Maybe, but I know myself enough to know it wouldn't be. The season two finale of one of my shows (Witches of East End) was actually worse than that, way worse than that and it ended up being the series finale. I cannot see myself being glad of that ever. I also can't see myself seeking out a forum or fanfics (maybe fanfics . . . I may need to look into that, see if someone wrote a finale I can use as head canon) of that."
TV is a wonderful medium for escaping ourselves without getting into trouble. The dilemma though is you can please some of the people some of the times, but ..... like politics there will always be unhappy campers.
Without hind-sight one stands to travel the wrong road taken, or at least experience a misstep. So no matter what outcome we selected, somebody is going to be unhappy. I truly liked most of the ideas set forth on this thread, but as we now see without all the seasons we either loved or hated Charmed most likely would have been dead in the water years ago.
I think we can all take some satisfaction that we found our way to The Cafe. I was on a few other sites before I located this one and they have all crashed and burned. Those members gave up, we have not. So I say we celebrate that and keep the fires burning.
Thank you for thinking that my thought was awesome. Perhaps some members might want to spin it as I really only think of myself as an idea person.
Sorry for the late reply. The real world was calling and I couldn't get them off the phone.
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Post by ShadowCat on Feb 15, 2017 14:13:44 GMT -5
Love your ideas, SC - what a great way to lead into my possible spin-off. The thing is Melinda's prophecy had nothing to do with defeating the Source - it was to protect innocents. Me, I'd want that one to continue. Yes, she'd still want to get rid of him after he got rid of her sisters, but it wouldn't fulfill her destiny. I guess it's the only thing I don't like about all of this - if it's still on The WB, we'd probably still be stuck with Kern and still end up with something very close to what we got stuck with - Cole the Source, get rid of him, Phoebe on her own, giving birth to the Phoetus with him taking Wyatt's place, then her jumping from guy to guy to guy looking for her daughter's sperm donor, with that daughter coming back to try to save evil Phoetus. *sigh* Thank you Es for the correct info on The Source. It's been a spell since I have seen "All Halliwell's Eve", and with all that was put out there about the pain in the fanny big bad, I had forgotten he was not front and center to the story line. Now that I ponder this I think I could have done without him altogether. With his entrance into Charmed I now look at this as an unequal balance of power. I think some viewers might have looked upon him as The Devil, if that is so, who is his greatest enemy? Well his name is not mentioned. If that is the case than eliminating him really isn't going to solve anything. I now think he should not have been introduced to the series at all. In short the girls powers would have be put to better use if they exercised their abilities on a plain somewhat stronger than the enemy. Good in this way would have had the leverage that I think Melinda would have been both proud and satisfied with. As for the greatest of the greatest, let them sit in a park and play at their own chessboard. We after all are not them and should not strive to be. Thank you for liking this as if I can throw out there something a writer likes it delights me to have been of service. That's my goal. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Feb 15, 2017 19:46:52 GMT -5
Love your ideas, SC - what a great way to lead into my possible spin-off. The thing is Melinda's prophecy had nothing to do with defeating the Source - it was to protect innocents. Me, I'd want that one to continue. Yes, she'd still want to get rid of him after he got rid of her sisters, but it wouldn't fulfill her destiny. I guess it's the only thing I don't like about all of this - if it's still on The WB, we'd probably still be stuck with Kern and still end up with something very close to what we got stuck with - Cole the Source, get rid of him, Phoebe on her own, giving birth to the Phoetus with him taking Wyatt's place, then her jumping from guy to guy to guy looking for her daughter's sperm donor, with that daughter coming back to try to save evil Phoetus. *sigh* Thank you Es for the correct info on The Source. It's been a spell since I have seen "All Halliwell's Eve", and with all that was put out there about the pain in the fanny big bad, I had forgotten he was not front and center to the story line. Now that I ponder this I think I could have done without him altogether. With his entrance into Charmed I now look at this as an unequal balance of power. I think some viewers might have looked upon him as The Devil, if that is so, who is his greatest enemy? Well his name is not mentioned. If that is the case than eliminating him really isn't going to solve anything. I now think he should not have been introduced to the series at all. In short the girls powers would have be put to better use if they exercised their abilities on a plain somewhat stronger than the enemy. Good in this way would have had the leverage that I think Melinda would have been both proud and satisfied with. As for the greatest of the greatest, let them sit in a park and play at their own chessboard. We after all are not them and should not strive to be. Thank you for liking this as if I can throw out there something a writer likes it delights me to have been of service. That's my goal. I always thought that Rex and Hannah's boss *was* Satan, but the same way the Elders are very obviously not true angels and their leader is not God, ditto for the Source. Whoever/whatever he is, he's not the Christian Satan because if he was, how could three humans actually vanquish him??? Even with all of the Warren (not Halliwelll...only Halliwell matriarch was Penny and Piper...Patty wasn't because Penny lived longer), they're still all mortal and can't battle/defeat Satan. So whoever/whatever the Source was, he wasn't that. The introduction of both the Elders and the Source (and demons...and angels...) were just bad mistakes, which I hope will be left out of any reboots. It's why I would've preferred the antagonists remaining warlocks, with them having the chance to become witches by doing good, the way the witches (including the Charmed Ones...) should've become warlocks when they did evil. That would've made it a much better fantasy show. |
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Post by Ruth Marie on Feb 15, 2017 21:13:35 GMT -5
Well I would be happy, but at the same time I will be wondering what happens next. Maybe it is best we didn't have a great show. I might have still come online and talked about it, but sometimes you need the bad with the good.
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Post by sol on Feb 16, 2017 3:51:26 GMT -5
I'ld hate it, I love all the seasons
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Post by ShadowCat on Feb 17, 2017 14:31:19 GMT -5
Thank you Es for the correct info on The Source. It's been a spell since I have seen "All Halliwell's Eve", and with all that was put out there about the pain in the fanny big bad, I had forgotten he was not front and center to the story line. Now that I ponder this I think I could have done without him altogether. With his entrance into Charmed I now look at this as an unequal balance of power. I think some viewers might have looked upon him as The Devil, if that is so, who is his greatest enemy? Well his name is not mentioned. If that is the case than eliminating him really isn't going to solve anything. I now think he should not have been introduced to the series at all. In short the girls powers would have be put to better use if they exercised their abilities on a plain somewhat stronger than the enemy. Good in this way would have had the leverage that I think Melinda would have been both proud and satisfied with. As for the greatest of the greatest, let them sit in a park and play at their own chessboard. We after all are not them and should not strive to be. Thank you for liking this as if I can throw out there something a writer likes it delights me to have been of service. That's my goal. I always thought that Rex and Hannah's boss *was* Satan, but the same way the Elders are very obviously not true angels and their leader is not God, ditto for the Source. Whoever/whatever he is, he's not the Christian Satan because if he was, how could three humans actually vanquish him??? Even with all of the Warren (not Halliwelll...only Halliwell matriarch was Penny and Piper...Patty wasn't because Penny lived longer), they're still all mortal and can't battle/defeat Satan. So whoever/whatever the Source was, he wasn't that. The introduction of both the Elders and the Source (and demons...and angels...) were just bad mistakes, which I hope will be left out of any reboots. It's why I would've preferred the antagonists remaining warlocks, with them having the chance to become witches by doing good, the way the witches (including the Charmed Ones...) should've become warlocks when they did evil. That would've made it a much better fantasy show. I think The Charmed Ones doing the Warlock two-step would have disturbed me, but I do see your point. Bringing the Elders and the Source into play might have been fine in a few episodes just to give us some information on the upper powers that be. I think the girls should not have been permitted to dabble on that level. They could have learned about it, but like getting romantically involved with white-lighters, that should have been off limits. Their place should have been to protect the innocents both in and out of magic, without having to cross the line to the fractions that should have given them no mind. Since they were San Francisco witches and if you remove from the mix white-lighter traveling abilities, they were only working in that area. What, every form of evil goes there on vacation? |
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Post by Polarity on Feb 18, 2017 22:42:13 GMT -5
I voted it would have had the cult following, but not as big as it would have. I think it may have started out small, but picked up the cult following later, with Netflix. I'm glad it ran for as long as it did.
I actually liked Piper in the later seasons, though I know some people didn't. I thought she was more sassy and more outgoing. There was something about her I liked, but I can see why she may have rubbed some the wrong way. The dynamic did change after Prue's death.
I liked how we got more stories out of the show. This is one of my favorite, if not my favorite all time shows, so I wanted it to run for as long as it could run. I do wish they could have a Charmed movie or something, but understand why they couldn't, if actors wouldn't do it, or otherwise.
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Post by imdb lives on on Feb 23, 2017 13:18:01 GMT -5
In a way it would be for the best, but that cliffhanger would drive me mad. I would hope a reunion or a movie would be made for closure.
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Post by craig on Jul 24, 2017 21:33:19 GMT -5
With that talk about the rumoured/fake now being closed. Too bad, if the show really ended after season 3. All of these ideas would easily work rebooting/reviving Charmed years later. Especially since Twin Peaks got revived over 20 years later after ending I think after a few seasons.
But in this type of set-up, a short season with just Piper and Phoebe works.
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Post by Aaeiyn on Sept 4, 2021 13:21:18 GMT -5
The show would still have a cult following, just not as big had it continued with 5 more seasons
I'm going to include it wouldn't have been rebooted, either. I genuinely believe that. The Reboot is based off of the Paige era, anyway with the whole "long lost sister" storyline which was Paige's.
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