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Post by Sadrick on Apr 27, 2017 17:54:27 GMT -5
For perspective's sake, Cole's most damnable actions in the eyes of the sisters was his long-lived career as a demonic assassin who killed untold numbers of innocent people and his "treachery" in "reverting" back to evil during Season 4. The only one who seemed concerned enough to give him the benefit of the doubt, prior to the occupancy of the Source position, was Phoebe. Prue and Paige were both cynically incredulous towards him almost all the time when they knew him. Piper was usually on the fence alternating between accepting and unwelcoming depending on which direction the wind happened to be blowing in.
You then have Bane who didn't experience no where near as much screen time, but he still managed to make an impression by shifting from enemy towards the anti-hero category for the sisters. He also became one of the few romantic interests for Prue. But similar to Cole, his own character was rife with controversy from the other sisters. They distrusted him, believing that ulterior motives were compelling him to machinate in betraying them to Litvack. With everything they experienced prior in Bane placing a contract on their lives, escaping from prison, and kidnapping their sister, they were right to distrust him. Still, with that in mind, why would they extend him any conciliatory hands of forgiveness? Just like with Cole, he had made an attempt on their lives. We also know that he's a career criminal who's rap sheet includes "any crime", according to Piper.
We can only guess as to what other insidious crimes Bane perpetrated, but it's practically guaranteed that he's murdered innocent people in the past. Prostitution? Drug smuggling? Human trafficking? Kidnapping? Quite likely. So how is it that Prue can forgive Bane but not Cole? They seem to mirror each other in many respects; the only difference being that one is a hybrid demon while the other is a full blooded human. Shocking! The fact Bane could sink to such levels of depravity with none of the demonic indoctrination experienced by Cole should have only cast him under a more critical light as it demonstrates how a human can become a long time career criminal with every crime under the sun on his sheet. Cole at least has the excuse that he was raised from a baby to become a killer. What's Bane's excuse?
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Post by sol on Apr 28, 2017 2:43:23 GMT -5
Same old story: Bane Jessup was a delinquent and was serving a term of imprisonment imposed by a tribunal
Persecuted by demons, he asks Prue for help and after the sisters solved the situation, he is taken back to prison where he presumably served his time
Bwas being tried for racketeering, money laundering, tax evasionand embezzlement, something different of the career of a mercenary killer
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Post by Sadrick on Apr 28, 2017 21:53:53 GMT -5
Imprisonment? Bane's crimes encapsulated more than just petty financial misdeeds. He was sponsoring and committing murder against innocent people for a demon. We know he had murdered at least nine other people, witch practitioners, for Barbas's benefit. Goodness knows how many more were overseen by him or committed personally. If you want proof of what he's capable of then look towards the simulated fear scenario created by Barbas for DJ, his right hand man.
From what we can tell of this scene, Bane is a man who has no compunctions with getting his own hands dirty in the killing. He also doesn't discriminate in who he kills, be that guiltless civilian or close associate who he feels has wronged him. It's all carried out very methodically with no apparent feelings of remorse or hesitation with the people whom he kills or has killed. The only difference between Bane and Cole here is that one uses bullets and explosives while the other uses energy balls and an athame.
Forget "serving his time". Bane, at the very least, would have gotten a life sentence for everything he did as a crime lord. Escaping from prison and kidnapping Prue would have only worsened his sentence and living conditions while incarcerated. I'm actually wondering if capital punishment wouldn't apply to his case.
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Post by cyma on Apr 29, 2017 11:47:12 GMT -5
If we're only talking about season 3, then reasons for Prue's and Piper's animosity towards Cole being more than Bane: 1) If one fine day your baby sister falls in love with someone who was responsible for killing countless innocents and did other unspeakable things and also tried to kill your family countless time...ofcourse there would be outright hostility no matter. This hostility would've been shown to Bane too if he was dating Phoebe. It was shown to Clay before and he didn't commit crimes as bad as Cole and Bane. 2) Like it or not, reason number two is what sol said: Same old story: Bane Jessup was a delinquent and was serving a term of imprisonment imposed by a tribunal Persecuted by demons, he asks Prue for help and after the sisters solved the situation, he is taken back to prison where he presumably served his time Bwas being tried for racketeering, money laundering, tax evasionand embezzlement, something different of the career of a mercenary killer Bane strikes me as a corrupt individual who may or may not occasionally hire assassins to get rid of people and get his hands dirty. As for Cole: Beware of this Demonic
Soldier of Fortune. Both powerful and
dangerous, he has destroyed countless
witches, innocents, and demons.
As sinister as he
is intelligent, he is not to be trusted,
Belthazor's known abilities include
throwing energy balls and shimmering
from place to place, but his powers are
probably not limited to these capabilities.
Because there is no known way to defeat him,
Belthazor should be avoided at all costs.Cole's description here honestly reminds me of a terrorist. Destroying countless innocent people, sinister, no way to defeat him,avoided at all costs....is not something I can associate with Bane. Also didn't the demon copycating Cole not just kill a witch but went after their whole coven? Which means Cole used to do the same thing. Just because the Source told him to. And the Source's purpose was to spread evil, terror, fear and cause widespread destruction. Unlike Bane, to the Source, anything good would be a threat. Good Samaritans, teachers, pet birds and kittens..... While innocent people unfortunately are getting killed in both cases, Cole's dirty deeds would obviously get more horrified gasps and reaction than Bane's criminal activities. Also Cole had been doing this for over a hundred years had so many victims that their cries the Furies made him hear easily incapacitated him. Full or half-human, besides Phoebe, no one would believe Cole when suddenly after hundred years he proclaims, "I'm good now! Phoebe's love and goodness finally made me see the light!" I wouldn't be surprised if people believed Bane over Cole to the whole 'I'm a changed man' mantra. Heck I wouldn't be surprised if everyone demanded Cole be put to death right then and there. Just compare Piper's tone and body language when she was going through Bane's file with her reaction to Cole being alive because Phoebe couldn't vanquish him. Or Prue's reaction later on. Or even Leo. Clearly they view Cole as something up there with terrorist who doesn't deserve any redemption or even life-term jail. Just vanquished to hell and how Phoebe made a grave mistake by letting him go and risked not only their lives but the lives of innocents as well. |
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Post by Sadrick on Apr 29, 2017 12:59:40 GMT -5
The fact Bane's hired associates would stoop to wiring a building to explosives in the hopes of murdering sounds pretty terroristic in its own right. Imagine the collateral damage if the immediate vicinity of the shop had been filled with people. How many lives do you think could have potentially been lost that day? Cole's seniority and supernaturally malevolent being is what gives him the appearance of someone far more intimidating than a random crime boss. But if you take the time to examine all of what we saw from Bane's organisation with him enlisting the help of hired assassins, using high powered automatic rifles to quickly kill would-be traitors, and employing the usage of bombs to kill a single lowly human in a public area, it connotes to a potentially equal or higher level effectiveness in killing.
Did Prue ever stop to muse upon the many faces of innocents who's lives were snuffed out at the hands of Bane as she was sleeping with him? Reveling and sharing with a known criminal murderer about dreams and hope doesn't sound like the attitude of a woman who is appreciating this man's sordid character. In his own words, there's a lot she doesn't know about him.
It sounds like Prue's resentment was oriented more towards the fact of Cole becoming so intimately involved with her sister to get close to them instead of the fundamental motivation of wanting to kill them. What Bane did doesn't carry the same emotional attachment -- he hired an assassin to shoot them in their home one day. Cole insidiously wove himself into the family tapestry of the Halliwells before making his move. In that respect, I can understand why Prue would dislike Cole more. But it still doesn't justify her seeming contentment in befriending a career criminal and murderer just because they had a heart-to-heart moment.
If you were to ask me which scenario is more terrifying, piles of dust and stab victims vs people riddled with bullet holes or mutilated and charred from explosives/projectiles, I honestly couldn't tell you. The unfamiliar other-worldliness of Cole's methodology in killing does make it seem like he would be more intimidating. However, Bane has the advantage of being connected to many people who can easily murder multiple people using several different kinds of weapons. For the sisters, it's easier to recognise what guns and bombs are because they're from the same world as themselves. What Cole was capable of transcends the world they knew and grew up in. Maybe that's why they felt more apprehensive of him than Bane.
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Post by magena on Apr 29, 2017 13:01:39 GMT -5
I totally agree!
We'll never know what happened to Bane when he finished to do time , maybe he became an honest person, maybe not
Bane promised Prue to turn himself him, he did it, maybe he really wanted to change
Cole had many opportunities to move away from the demonic world, but when he lost his powers, all his good intentions vanished
He was refusing Seer's offerings, but when she talked about his powerful son, he voluntarily and consciously chose to fool Phoebe and use her to have that son
This isn't a great and romantic love
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Post by Sadrick on Apr 29, 2017 13:19:00 GMT -5
I totally agree! We'll never know what happened to Bane when he finished to do time , maybe he became an honest person, maybe not Bane promised Prue to turn himself him, he did it, maybe he really wanted to change Cole had many opportunities to move away from the demonic world, but when he lost his powers, all his good intentions vanished He was refusing Seer's offerings, but when she talked about his powerful son, he voluntarily and consciously chose to fool Phoebe and use her to have that son This isn't a great and romantic love I sincerely doubt Bane "finished his time". The man already admitted to having no future when Prue pressed him on the possibility of living his own dreams. His escaping from a state prison and kidnapping the woman who helped put him behind bars would have done nothing but condemn him to a higher security facility while stacking on a few additional decades to what was probably a life sentence. Bane only assured Prue that he would turn himself in after experiencing everything that they did with Litvack. Before this encounter, he was entertaining the notion of driving off into the sunset with Prue in tow for greener pastures. What do you think the end result of this scenario would have been? Prue would become a criminal suspect for harbouring a known escapee. She would likely turn her sisters into suspects as well. They could flee to Mexico and use magic to hopefully allude the police. But what kind of life would that be -- living on the rails, struggling just to survive while looking over their shoulders for anyone in a uniform? Cole was indoctrinated into the lifestyle by his mother. Bane embraced it by choice, it looks like. Oh, and let's not get into the "was Cole in control of himself as the Source" debate. All we know is what we saw -- that both he and the Seer referred to Cole in the third person while retaining to the love felt for Phoebe because it was too powerful to extinguish. Take that whichever way you like. As for human Cole, he had five episodes to live as a human before the Source started squatting in his body. Do you really think five weeks is enough time for someone to adjust to a whole new kind of living? I would still argue he did a better job of creating a new identity for himself than Leo did who seemed perfectly content to meander about the halls of No!warts looking after some magically challenged kids for the rest of his days until senility finally overcame him. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Apr 30, 2017 8:36:49 GMT -5
It doesn't matter if Cole had no choice of being born half-demon or not. That has nothing to do with the Cole who the sisters ran into, a Cole who had lived that lifestyle for a very long time and a leopard does not change his spots that easily. He was not possessed by the Source, but was influenced by the powers of the Source which was what went into him. He was still Cole, and he preferred being an evil, powerful demon than a powerless, wimpy mortal. The Source never would've wanted Phoebe as his wife while Cole did - in order to have his powerful demonic heir. All this shows that he did not deserve to be saved, because he had chosen to be evil. The only reason he ever chose to be good was for Phoebe, never himself. Someone who tries to change for that reason will never succeed, as Cole proved.
Look at Drake. He also had no choice in being born a demon, didn't have a mortal parent, but he was much more human than Cole ever was, turning the Phoebe who Cole turned into PhoeME back into Phoebs for one short episode. Drake is the one who deserved to be saved and the one who should've lived and ended up with Phoebe, never Cole. Had Cole been more like Drake, my reactions would be totally different. This is also true for Brendan Rowe, a half-warlock, who you can presume was raised to be evil just like his brothers, but ended up being good, not for love of Prue, but because he wanted to be good. This is not true for Cole. In fact, his story is the total opposite of Brendan's, and again shows why Cole did not deserve to be saved while Brendan did - and why Brendan didn't experience the animosity that Cole did.
Like Brendan, everything Bane did in 'Show Me a Sign' showed that he did deserve to be saved and my own dream had Prue lived would be for after he finishes his jail term (and I do believe he would've finished it or maybe get out for good behavior), he and Prue would be the ones to marry, something Phoebe and Cole never should've done while Drake makes a lot more sense for Phoebe than Coop does.
Now had Bane gotten out early (say in Season 7 or 8) and showed that he was still evil the way Cole continued to show that he was, then Bane undoubtedly would've been given the same animosity as Cole - ditto for Brendan - ditto Cole wouldn't have been given the same animosity if Connie had won out and Cole had only been part of Season Three and had died during 'All Hell Breaks Loose', saving Phoebe. Characters who were only part of a couple episodes were treated a lot better than those who were a big part of more than one season. Lucky for Bane and Brendan, they were part of the series before Kern took over.
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Post by Sadrick on Apr 30, 2017 11:01:38 GMT -5
The fact Cole was pursuing the sisters because his father's soul was being held captive by the Triad shows how he did have a conscience prior to encountering Phoebe. You try to portray his characterisation like his humanity was only experienceable when Phoebe was present when this was proven to not be the case. It's a far more understandable motivation for hunting the sisters because it demonstrates the moral fidelity felt by both sides who believe what they're doing is right -- only in the sisters' situation, it's to deter someone from killing them all which would have wide-spread repercussions for everyone. What was Bane's motivation for becoming a crime lord? He couldn't live out his dreams? How is that any more condonable than what Phoebe saw in her premonition about Cole's father being murdered by his mother and indoctrinated into the demonic lifestyle.
Is this really going to devolve into yet another debate about whether or not Cole was possessed by the Source? The evidence was provided. I haven't seen an explanation for why Cole-Source would dissociate himself from his body by referring to Cole in the the third person or by separating the affections he felt for Phoebe. Unlike other possessions, the Source had occupied not just Cole's body, but the void in his soul where Bethazor used to reside. For that type of close proximity with the essence of what makes Cole himself to have an influence over the Source's comportment seems reasonable. It would explain why Andras wasn't head over heels in love with Phoebe since he was possessing only the body of Belthazor the demon -- someone whom Raynor pointed out wasn't in love with Phoebe like Cole was -- not inserting himself into any void within Cole's soul.
Cole could hardly go a week without some outside party trying to influence him back to his old ways. But even still, I think he did a far more commendable job than some would like to believe. Think about it -- what two actions were the most damning for Cole in the eyes of Phoebe and the sisters? His murdering of Janna and "becoming" the Source. For the former, Raynor had tried everything possible to compel Cole into killing, be it appealing to his inner demonic nature or dangling his father's soul over him like a low-hanging carrot for a starved rabbit. Ultimately it took a spell for him to relent. Next for the Source debacle, we saw everything that happened to Cole. Both the Seer and Cole-Source himself tried to dissociate themselves from Cole the person. If you want more evidence of this separation of beings then look towards "Centennial Charmed". Why would Cole ever agree to allow his child to be wrenched from his beloved's body and put into a stranger?
I think Cole deserved far more consideration than what he got -- especially since it was the sisters who prevented him from leaving, twice. They also never thought to consider the very sensitive and important fact of Cole going after them for reasons that encompassed more than him just wanting to rip their spines out of their bodies. Cole is who he was. To believe that he should be more like Drake or whomever would be a disservice to what makes Cole, Cole. He's not some flamboyant sybarite who puts on silly spectacles for the entertainment or annoyance of those around him.
About Brendan -- he was raised by his human mother. But even with such positive influences guiding him, he still came awfully close on a few occasions to relenting and killing. Really shows how overbearing the evil compulsion really is, doesn't it? Someone like Brendan who could find compassion in even the smallest of creatures being so quickly tempted to the idea of forming an evil anti-Power of Three and killing.
Did you not observe the conversations between Prue and Bane, Esmeralda? Bane attributes his change of heart entirely to Prue. It's why he stopped pursuing them to kill. It's why he came to her for assistance with Litvack. Before Prue, he was just another crime boss, except with the guidance and influence of a demon telling him to murder witches. There was little about him that seemed redemptive. So he had dreams? Well evidently those dreams weren't enough to steer him along a different path or he relented in doing everything possible to making them become a reality. With the stuttering apprehension seen in those who answered to him, it paints his characterisation as being quite harsh and aggressive; like he would have no compunctions with killing them if he feels he's been wronged.
Bane has no future. On top of everything he was being charged with during the initial arrest, he did technically escape from prison, assault prison guards, steal a prisoner transport vehicle, almost run over another guard, damage property, and then kidnap a woman. All of these factors would have incurred a much more severe penalty. I doubt he ever left prison unless he managed to escape again.
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Post by magena on May 1, 2017 15:23:05 GMT -5
It doesn't matter if Cole had no choice of being born half-demon or not. That has nothing to do with the Cole who the sisters ran into, a Cole who had lived that lifestyle for a very long time and a leopard does not change his spots that easily. He was not possessed by the Source, but was influenced by the powers of the Source which was what went into him. He was still Cole, and he preferred being an evil, powerful demon than a powerless, wimpy mortal. The Source never would've wanted Phoebe as his wife while Cole did - in order to have his powerful demonic heir. All this shows that he did not deserve to be saved, because he had chosen to be evil. The only reason he ever chose to be good was for Phoebe, never himself. Someone who tries to change for that reason will never succeed, as Cole proved. Look at Drake. He also had no choice in being born a demon, didn't have a mortal parent, but he was much more human than Cole ever was, turning the Phoebe who Cole turned into PhoeME back into Phoebs for one short episode. Drake is the one who deserved to be saved and the one who should've lived and ended up with Phoebe, never Cole. Had Cole been more like Drake, my reactions would be totally different. This is also true for Brendan Rowe, a half-warlock, who you can presume was raised to be evil just like his brothers, but ended up being good, not for love of Prue, but because he wanted to be good. This is not true for Cole. In fact, his story is the total opposite of Brendan's, and again shows why Cole did not deserve to be saved while Brendan did - and why Brendan didn't experience the animosity that Cole did. Like Brendan, everything Bane did in 'Show Me a Sign' showed that he did deserve to be saved and my own dream had Prue lived would be for after he finishes his jail term (and I do believe he would've finished it or maybe get out for good behavior), he and Prue would be the ones to marry, something Phoebe and Cole never should've done while Drake makes a lot more sense for Phoebe than Coop does. Now had Bane gotten out early (say in Season 7 or 8) and showed that he was still evil the way Cole continued to show that he was, then Bane undoubtedly would've been given the same animosity as Cole - ditto for Brendan - ditto Cole wouldn't have been given the same animosity if Connie had won out and Cole had only been part of Season Three and had died during 'All Hell Breaks Loose', saving Phoebe. Characters who were only part of a couple episodes were treated a lot better than those who were a big part of more than one season. Lucky for Bane and Brendan, they were part of the series before Kern took over. I agree to 100%!!! Drake didn't want to live as a demon and he never killed Cole wished a dynasty, a powerfull dynasty and when he realized tha Phoebe knew the true about him, he ws ready to surrender the Source's powers to the Wizard, they were useless, now that he had his prophesied son |
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Post by Sadrick on May 1, 2017 22:55:35 GMT -5
It doesn't matter if Cole had no choice of being born half-demon or not. That has nothing to do with the Cole who the sisters ran into, a Cole who had lived that lifestyle for a very long time and a leopard does not change his spots that easily. He was not possessed by the Source, but was influenced by the powers of the Source which was what went into him. He was still Cole, and he preferred being an evil, powerful demon than a powerless, wimpy mortal. The Source never would've wanted Phoebe as his wife while Cole did - in order to have his powerful demonic heir. All this shows that he did not deserve to be saved, because he had chosen to be evil. The only reason he ever chose to be good was for Phoebe, never himself. Someone who tries to change for that reason will never succeed, as Cole proved. Look at Drake. He also had no choice in being born a demon, didn't have a mortal parent, but he was much more human than Cole ever was, turning the Phoebe who Cole turned into PhoeME back into Phoebs for one short episode. Drake is the one who deserved to be saved and the one who should've lived and ended up with Phoebe, never Cole. Had Cole been more like Drake, my reactions would be totally different. This is also true for Brendan Rowe, a half-warlock, who you can presume was raised to be evil just like his brothers, but ended up being good, not for love of Prue, but because he wanted to be good. This is not true for Cole. In fact, his story is the total opposite of Brendan's, and again shows why Cole did not deserve to be saved while Brendan did - and why Brendan didn't experience the animosity that Cole did. Like Brendan, everything Bane did in 'Show Me a Sign' showed that he did deserve to be saved and my own dream had Prue lived would be for after he finishes his jail term (and I do believe he would've finished it or maybe get out for good behavior), he and Prue would be the ones to marry, something Phoebe and Cole never should've done while Drake makes a lot more sense for Phoebe than Coop does. Now had Bane gotten out early (say in Season 7 or 8) and showed that he was still evil the way Cole continued to show that he was, then Bane undoubtedly would've been given the same animosity as Cole - ditto for Brendan - ditto Cole wouldn't have been given the same animosity if Connie had won out and Cole had only been part of Season Three and had died during 'All Hell Breaks Loose', saving Phoebe. Characters who were only part of a couple episodes were treated a lot better than those who were a big part of more than one season. Lucky for Bane and Brendan, they were part of the series before Kern took over. I agree to 100%!!! Drake didn't want to live as a demon and he never killed Cole wished a dynasty, a powerfull dynasty and when he realized tha Phoebe knew the true about him, he ws ready to surrender the Source's powers to the Wizard, they were useless, now that he had his prophesied son No offence, but this sounds about as unfoundedly senseless as Phoebe theorising how Cole was intending to disempower himself so he could obtain the Book of the Shadows as a human. It was a knee-jerk reaction to a difficult situation where she felt the need to alienate Cole instead of assessing the contextual meaning behind the words exchanged between Cole and Raynor or his body language throughout the ordeal. How does Cole becoming human benefit him in the pursuit of authority or strength in either situation? Non-magical humans can't use the book for anything except the creation of potions. The devolution from a demon into a human would do nothing except distance himself from his supposed "heir" -- no moulding of the minds, being there to support him, or painting him in his own colours. The Seer would be the one rearing the child up to act as the benefactor for her personal agenda; in her own words, the child was neither Phoebe nor Cole's. Phoebe herself reasserts this notion in the very same episode. The only one interested in dynasties was the Source. Do you need proof? Well take a look at his interactions with Wyatt and Mandi in Season 8. About the only difference between the Source in this situation and the one from Season 4 was that he had Cole's overbearing affections for Phoebe influencing him to retain her exclusively as a wife and mother. Drake's hands aren't exactly squeaky clean either. His complicity in allowing the thorn demons to put Piper into a near-death state endangered not only her life but the integrity of the Power of Three and Wyatt's familial upbringing as well. There were no guarantees of her accomplishing what Cole needed her to do in order to survive. A marriage isn't worth the loss of such powerful magical defenders' collective strength or Wyatt growing up in a dysfunctional household with no mother to nurture him. You could argue it also influenced Leo's trial since Piper's life-or-death distress fall veered him towards siding with the people whom he's the closest with instead of coming to the decision when both parties are neutrally observant with no extraordinary circumstances pushing him. Granted, the Elders also could have done a better job of maintaining their distance as well. The only one who is aware of Drake's mishap is Cole; neither can exactly divulge the truth behind the thorn demons attacking to the sisters or anyone. 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Post by cyma on May 2, 2017 8:37:27 GMT -5
It sounds like Prue's resentment was oriented more towards the fact of Cole becoming so intimately involved with her sister to get close to them instead of the fundamental motivation of wanting to kill them. What Bane did doesn't carry the same emotional attachment -- he hired an assassin to shoot them in their home one day. Cole insidiously wove himself into the family tapestry of the Halliwells before making his move. In that respect, I can understand why Prue would dislike Cole more. But it still doesn't justify her seeming contentment in befriending a career criminal and murderer just because they had a heart-to-heart moment. Actually Bane saved her life and in the process got himself impaled by a sharp object. According to the rules of TV shows, when an awesomely hot looking guy saves your life and gets injured in the process, you have to nurse him back to health. In the process you have a heart-to-heart conversations, notice his six pack abs and ultimately try to resist the temptation of doing something you'll regret, but later you say 'screw it' and do that regretful thing. Which is sleep with the guy. Although if you think about it, Bane was injured so how Prue and he did it....should've kinda really hurt him  Phoebe does the same thing interestingly. Guy saves her life while half-dying, everything he's done no matter how horrible is magically forgiven and she fakes his vanquish. Even Piper does something slightly similar. Leo saves her from dying risking himself by breaking the rules. She dumps Dan. Doesn't matter that being with Leo is forbidden love and cause a million complications later. Apparently a woman's rationality goes out of the window once a woman's life is saved. It's straight out of one of those steamy romance novels. If you're brave or curious enough to read those novels. Oh and let's not forget...Grams and the Necromancer. Sam and Patty. Melinda Warren and Matthew Tate. So I guess indulging in forbidden love runs in the family. And attractive to the audience.Which means Prue and Bane sleep together. Phoebe and Cole start a relationship. Even if realistically both these relationships are doomed to failure. |
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Post by Chrisaholic on May 4, 2017 9:01:42 GMT -5
In this family you could also add Chris and Bianca as a forbidden relationship. I bet that didn't go even well in Chris' old future. There is always trouble ahead when a heart is torn between love and duty! It never goes well.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2017 2:16:33 GMT -5
Because, as Phoebe said to Prue in 'Wrestling With Demons' - "Of course, it's ok now that it's YOUR demon!" As much as I love Prue, Phoebe had a point, Prue was all for saving 'the bad boy' when she fancied them - Brendan, Bane, TJ etc.
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Post by erikamarie on May 5, 2017 3:08:12 GMT -5
Because, as Phoebe said to Prue in 'Wrestling With Demons' - "Of course, it's ok now that it's YOUR demon!" As much as I love Prue, Phoebe had a point, Prue was all for saving 'the bad boy' when she fancied them - Brendan, Bane, TJ etc. Maybe because they were humans and it might be worth a try to save them Regarding Cole, he was Belhazor too, a demon who was in the Book of Shadows and who was famous for his ruthlessness, Prue can't forget it He tried to let her die by empathy, a scary pain, how should Prue forgive also this? |
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Post by magena on May 5, 2017 5:09:53 GMT -5
I'm not a body language examiner.
I never talked of Bokk of Shadow
I told that Cole was desperate when he lost his powers, it's natural, after almost 100 years with powers he cannot live without them
I cannot think we was so stupid to trust in the Seer and when she talked of a powerful son he was ready to cooperate to fool Phoebe
Is abominable to impregnate a woman without her consent or not?
For me this would be enough for not wanting to see him !
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Post by Sadrick on May 5, 2017 16:15:42 GMT -5
How does their genetical species grant them extra moral leverage? Humanity is capable of some truly horrific and gruesome things. We're just as capable of perpetrating gruesome crimes of a darker nature just like the demons are. In some ways you could argue it's more damning to the person because they chose it rather than being hereditarily predisposed to evil. Bane was a criminal with untold numbers of corpses piled up beneath him. Just because the show neglected to explore this facet of his character doesn't mean that it didn't exist.
Entry into the Book of Shadows is not a foolproof indication of nefarious intention since Drake also happened to be in it. Although with Belthazor, the inclusion of his name was well deserved for everything he had done and how high his status was in the realm of demons.
When Cole had lost his powers, he was confused, out of place. Things that he normally would have been capable of handling on his own were now unavailable to him. He needed to find other means for accomplishing what he wanted to do like getting to places or having a role in the household beyond acting as Phoebe's slampiece boyfriend. To claim he was incapable of grappling with this new domestication isn't true, though. Cole needed to find an acceptable outlet to sate these desires for being wanted. He made several different attempts, but as I keep repeating, five weeks isn't enough to find that niche where he could be most comfortable. It may not have hurt to consult someone about how he was feeling. Leo was a person who helped guide people into achieving goals and make them realise their true potential. If the show had better writing, this unused dynamic could have been explored between Leo and Cole.
Magena, I already addressed the debacle surrounding the unborn child. Everyone with a personal knowledge of its development recognised it as not belonging to Cole. Why would the man who apparently couldn't live without Phoebe consent to having the Seer extract said child from his woman and then have inserted into an unloved subordinate? The Seer must have been confident in Cole-Source's complicity in the idea and his lack of affections for Phoebe to so brazenly muse with him over the notion of stealing the child; that's something which Cole never would have agreed to.
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Post by Aaeiyn on Sept 4, 2021 20:40:50 GMT -5
Because he's a mortal, and they're not supposed to punish the guilty but protect the innocent.
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Post by Andrew on Sept 4, 2021 21:15:26 GMT -5
Another reason Bane didn’t experience the same animosity as Cole might be because he was in, I believe, a grand total of TWO episodes, and rarely if ever mentioned aside from those. He simply wasn’t around often enough to hate.
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