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Post by jdpm1991 on May 4, 2017 6:04:16 GMT -5
When both of these women left "Charmed", the show hit a new level of embarrassment.
But who do you think was the heart and soul of "Charmed" Shannen Doherty or Constance Burge
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Post by Esmeralda on May 4, 2017 7:22:07 GMT -5
That's really hard to say because it's hard to say just how much influence Connie had in Season Two and Three, especially Three. Since most fans count S3 as one of their favorites and from what we know, Connie had very little influence on Three, you can't really say it's her. And as an actress who didn't have a lot of power (I've heard people in the know think her disagreeing with the way the show was going had more with her being let go than any supposed problems with Alyssa), I don't see how she could've been.
So right now my answer would be neither. The heart and soul was Aaron Spelling.
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Post by jdpm1991 on May 4, 2017 11:57:59 GMT -5
That's really hard to say because it's hard to say just how much influence Connie had in Season Two and Three, especially Three. Since most fans count S3 as one of their favorites and from what we know, Connie had very little influence on Three, you can't really say it's her. And as an actress who didn't have a lot of power (I've heard people in the know think her disagreeing with the way the show was going had more with her being let go than any supposed problems with Alyssa), I don't see how she could've been. So right now my answer would be neither. The heart and soul was Aaron Spelling. Aaron Spelling allowed Brad Kern to oversexualize the sisters. |
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Post by Esmeralda on May 4, 2017 20:27:05 GMT -5
No. That was The WB - see my signature...
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Post by Ruth Marie on May 4, 2017 23:50:36 GMT -5
This is too hard to answer. The Heart and Soul of Charmed was the relationship between the three leads, but again everyone played a part in making Charmed great. It is too hard to really know if Connie or Shannen leaving could of impacted the show's downfall.
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Post by sol on May 5, 2017 0:48:07 GMT -5
I believe Connie was overestimated
She riuned Ally Mc Beal, I can't forget it and even if she said she was inspiredby her sisters, she actually wrote a pilot about three friends
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2017 2:09:56 GMT -5
Sol has a point - Connie didn't even come up with the idea of "the magic of the sisterhood", that was Aaron and Duke E Vincent. I personally think Shannen "got" the show and got it could've been much more so than Connie or Brad did.
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Post by Esmeralda on May 7, 2017 19:57:44 GMT -5
Sol has a point - Connie didn't even come up with the idea of "the magic of the sisterhood", that was Aaron and Duke E Vincent. I personally think Shannen "got" the show and got it could've been much more so than Connie or Brad did. Na. She wanted it to be more like S4 than S4 was - and that would've just made it the same as any other supernatural show. It would've taken away from what made Charmed special, just like S4-8 did, when it was all about battling the latest greatest evil rather than being about trying to be a witch in the real world. When it was truly Charmed, all three actresses were bored, thinking it was the same thing every week and when you look at S1 & S2, you can tell that it isn't. Not just the same old weekly vanquishes. Not even the actresses realized that that's not what made it Charmed. Their sisterhood, all the plusses and minuses of that, is what made it Charmed - three sisters who happened to be witches, not three demon-hunters who happened to be related. As long as they were based on Connie and her two sisters, you had that. As soon as you no longer did, you didn't and it became the same old supernatural show. |
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Post by magena on May 9, 2017 3:22:21 GMT -5
I watched all the seasons consecutively and I saw the development of the sisters and their transformation in adult women
It's bitter to think, but also affectionate sisters - I have a big family with siblings - have to follow their own way and go away, living different lives
In the early seasons, they lived a sisters' life but this cannot last long, women fall in love, have children, get a job, I had to bear the change during the seasons
I love their sisterhood and Es is right, it's the Charmed brand, no one of the more loved shows has it, not Buffy and even Supernatural, the link between Deand and Sammy is obsessive, nothing to do with the ironic, cheery,merrily bickering of the Halliwell's
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Post by Esmeralda on May 9, 2017 7:22:48 GMT -5
I'll agree with that, but how much better would it have been had marriage and children been left out until after the series was over, letting the children have their own spin-off - especially if that's what we saw rather than S5?
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Post by erikamarie on May 9, 2017 11:15:46 GMT -5
You can't be a Charmed One and hope to live a quiet life as in the first years of the sisters
The dramatic turning point that was difficult to live, which strove life, was to be expected
Maybe it'ld be nice to have more seasons as the firsts with the dramatic change reserved to the 7 and 8 seasons, but this would meand to have a serious planning and we know very well that the poor writers never knew what would happen to the serie
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Post by sol on May 10, 2017 0:19:39 GMT -5
If the serious attack of the Source had started in the sixth season, it would have been a crescendo towards the epilogue
Maybe with a serious Underworld attack towards Up There, I didn't stand the Elders awlaus well protected, without doing anything!
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Post by Courtney on May 10, 2017 18:20:19 GMT -5
Agree with what Es and a couple other's have said. I love Shannen (and the character Prue is my favourite), but I wouldn't go as far to say she 'made' the show; the original sisters and their bond did. Shannen leaving just as it started to go down hill makes it appear that losing her was what killed Charmed, but had any of the original three gone something would have been 'off' regardless. Like Es said, Shannen wanted the show to move into a darker direction, and whether we like to admit it or not, Charmed worked best when it focused on the sisters and didn't take itself too seriously, which is why S1 and 2 will always be my favourite. They very much started becoming the 'friends' they were originally going to be in S3.
Charmed felt more like a drama with supernatural elements in S1 and 2, but S3+ it became just your everyday supernatural show.
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Post by Ruth Marie on May 11, 2017 0:11:48 GMT -5
Agree with what Es and a couple other's have said. I love Shannen (and the character Prue is my favourite), but I wouldn't go as far to say she 'made' the show; the original sisters and their bond did. Shannen leaving just as it started to go down hill makes it appear that losing her was what killed Charmed, but had any of the original three gone something would have been 'off' regardless. Like Es said, Shannen wanted the show to move into a darker direction, and whether we like to admit it or not, Charmed worked best when it focused on the sisters and didn't take itself too seriously, which is why S1 and 2 will always be my favourite. They very much started becoming the 'friends' they were originally going to be in S3. Charmed felt more like a drama with supernatural elements in S1 and 2, but S3+ it became just your everyday supernatural show. Yeah, season 3 and 4 felt like it tried to be Buffy the Vampire Slayer. But Shannen had stated she liked season 3 the best, so she most likely wanted it to be dark right? |
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Post by Esmeralda on May 11, 2017 7:57:20 GMT -5
Charmed felt more like a drama with supernatural elements in S1 and 2, but S3+ it became just your everyday supernatural show. BINGO! Wish I could give that sentence a hundred thumbs-ups! As soon as it became more about a witch who wanted a normal life and married the most unnormal person possible - he was already dead! - and a witch in love with a demon (oh, wait, thanks to the fact that his demonic mother screwed a mortal to make him made it okay...) - and, oh, yes, they had a sister who died and a half-sister - then it was just an ordinary supernatural show, which a lot of fans loved, but was no longer what made Charmed different than other supernatural shows. Suddenly their relationship with their men was more important than their relationship with each other - the moment they should've lost the Power of Three. |
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Post by ljones on May 18, 2017 0:28:20 GMT -5
When both of these women left "Charmed", the show hit a new level of embarrassment. But who do you think was the heart and soul of "Charmed" Shannen Doherty or Constance Burge Connie Burge left the show before Season Three, which is still my favorite season. But the show began to decline, following Shannen Doherty's departure. It seems as if they would have been stuck in a rut if the sisters had never experienced love . . . at least story wise. What's wrong with adding romance for a television protagonist. In fact, there are plenty of shows with male protagonists in which they are seriously involved with someone. Should the writers of those shows have avoided any serious romance, as well? |
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Post by Elle Em on May 18, 2017 7:02:47 GMT -5
It was more about the way they handled the concept of romantic relationships in the show. Piper wants a normal life, and marries a whitelighter who supposedly doesn't age. Yes, they were deeply in love, but common sense says that that's only going to lead to frustration and heartbreak. And with Phoebe, she put Cole ahead of her sisters. Which, it isn't uncommon for people to fall for someone too deeply and too quickly, but it was definitely a mistake to write Phoebe as someone who was so willing to deceive her family. Love is complicated for sure, but it was like the writers created these stories without even trying to make them fit better with the overall theme of sisterhood.
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on May 18, 2017 13:02:54 GMT -5
The trouble with Charmed is that it always seemed like the sisters had to have husbands or boyfriends every year like the show couldn't survive without people being in relationships which always got me when there was so much more to the Halliwell's and Paige especially when the guys became partly more important than what Charmed was about originally.
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Post by Ruth Marie on May 19, 2017 3:17:26 GMT -5
The trouble with Charmed is that it always seemed like the sisters had to have husbands or boyfriends every year like the show couldn't survive without people being in relationships which always got me when there was so much more to the Halliwell's and Paige especially when the guys became partly more important than what Charmed was about originally. That was the worst. The focus should at the end of the day be on the sisters. Personally I wished that the supporting cast remained the supporting cast. It wouldn't have been so wrong for one of the sisters to stay single, I mean not everyone in real life is married or in a relationship until well into their 30s. I guess something I never liked about Forever Charmed that all the sisters had to be married with children, I was hoping at least one of the sisters would still be single when the show ended. |
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Post by Courtney on May 20, 2017 2:34:42 GMT -5
Agree with what Es and a couple other's have said. I love Shannen (and the character Prue is my favourite), but I wouldn't go as far to say she 'made' the show; the original sisters and their bond did. Shannen leaving just as it started to go down hill makes it appear that losing her was what killed Charmed, but had any of the original three gone something would have been 'off' regardless. Like Es said, Shannen wanted the show to move into a darker direction, and whether we like to admit it or not, Charmed worked best when it focused on the sisters and didn't take itself too seriously, which is why S1 and 2 will always be my favourite. They very much started becoming the 'friends' they were originally going to be in S3. Charmed felt more like a drama with supernatural elements in S1 and 2, but S3+ it became just your everyday supernatural show. Yeah, season 3 and 4 felt like it tried to be Buffy the Vampire Slayer. But Shannen had stated she liked season 3 the best, so she most likely wanted it to be dark right? Totally. She probably would have enjoyed acting out the story lines of S4 (which were pretty much already written considering she wasn't fired until after S3 wrapped), and then S5 onwards the show just kind of lost its way. |
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