|
|
Post by jdpm1991 on May 30, 2017 21:58:02 GMT -5
You know one thing you can say about Piper's moaning of wanting a normal life at least that desire and bitching about it was there since 1x02.
It's not something that appeared out of the blue after Prue died. Least they were consistent with Piper
|
|
|
|
Post by sol on May 31, 2017 1:11:57 GMT -5
Piper never wanted to be a witch, she is the prototype of the good girl who needs a quiet life, with a family to love, a job to love, friends, good relatuionships with her neighbors, maybe supporting some charity, because she is a big-hearted woman
I'm not annoyed by her moaning: apart from the fact that it is more than justified, it's part of her character, she is one of those persons that grumble but act
I agree with Yoda: Do. Or not do
Usually, Piper does
|
|
|
|
Post by gzv969 on May 31, 2017 4:04:44 GMT -5
Before prue died it was worse. Piper complained vocally a lot. I remember in "how to make an American quilt" piper practically walked out on phoebe and prue in the middle of a battle. I can't forget those words. "I've had it!!"
You would have thought prue would have been the one complaining a lot as she was the first to accuse Phoebe of messing with the book and turning her into a witch in 1x01
|
|
|
|
Post by Elle Em on May 31, 2017 6:41:31 GMT -5
I think in a way, Prue needed to be a witch just as badly as Phoebe did. Both were lacking things in their lives. For Phoebe, it was a sense of purpose and direction. For Prue, it was a break from the current trajectory of her life. Without being a witch, Phoebe would probably have taken much longer to get her life together. And Prue would have probably become who we saw in the alternate future of Morality Bites— a career-obsessed woman with no love in her life. Becoming witches saved them both.
But Piper didn't need to become a witch to help her personal growth. She was the perfect balance of her sisters. She had a career path to follow, but didn't seem destined to become obsessed with it like Prue probably would, and she seemed to be pretty much over the fact that her mother and father weren't in her life. I'm sure she was still sad about it at times, but not like her sisters. Prue had major daddy issues, and Phoebe's rebellious behavior probably stemmed from her sadness at never knowing her mother and having to deal with the fact that her father left her before he even got a chance to know her. Unlike her sisters, Piper lost a lot when becoming a witch, whereas Prue and Phoebe had a lot to gain.
|
|
Esmeralda
Charmed
S2 "What If...?"
Fan Fic Winner
Twenty Years Gone....But Never Forgotten.
Posts: 21,920 
|
Post by Esmeralda on May 31, 2017 22:55:34 GMT -5
I'd agree with that IF the times when Piper griped weren't when she wasn't allowed to do what she wanted to. When her magic came in handy, she loved it. When it didn't let her do what she wanted to do, she hated it.
|
|
Ruth Marie
Whitelighter
Prue Seasons
"What If...?"
Fan Fic Winner
Posts: 4,353
|
Post by Ruth Marie on Jun 1, 2017 5:56:17 GMT -5
I'd agree with that IF the times when Piper griped were when she wasn't allowed to do what she wanted to. When her magic came in handy, she loved it. When it didn't let her do what she wanted to do, she hated it. Sounds to me she just wanted everything her way. I see why she felt that way. But to me it got old fast when she constantly brought it up so often and complained. It is like someone in real life hating on doing something they don't like fully, but deciding to do it anyway and still complaining about it over and over to the point it just get's old and annoying. Especially when she had an out for a normal life in Witch Way Now. |
|
|
|
Post by magena on Jun 7, 2017 15:01:37 GMT -5
I think Piper was happy about her life
If she had not become a witch, she'ld work at Quake and love Dan and form a family with him
|
|
|
|
Post by gzv969 on Jun 7, 2017 15:32:55 GMT -5
I'd agree with that IF the times when Piper griped were when she wasn't allowed to do what she wanted to. When her magic came in handy, she loved it. When it didn't let her do what she wanted to do, she hated it. Sounds to me she just wanted everything her way. I see why she felt that way. But to me it got old fast when she constantly brought it up so often and complained. It is like someone in real life hating on doing something they don't like fully, but deciding to do it anyway and still complaining about it over and over to the point it just get's old and annoying. Especially when she had an out for a normal life in Witch Way Now. Exactly. Once things were getting out of control and the battles tough she would gripe about being a witch and wanting out. I was just watching AHBL again and the first thing piper says when they were exposed was that maybe it was a good thing and that maybe they didn't have to do this anymore (being charmed) and this may to be their way out. To with prue said to her "I don't believe that". |
|
Esmeralda
Charmed
S2 "What If...?"
Fan Fic Winner
Twenty Years Gone....But Never Forgotten.
Posts: 21,920
|
Post by Esmeralda on Jun 7, 2017 20:45:31 GMT -5
I think Piper was happy about her life If she had not become a witch, she'ld work at Quake and love Dan and form a family with him I don't think Piper knew how to be content - she was happiest when she had something to gripe about. I'm sure she would've found something to gripe about Dan or Quake - probably gripe about how boring her life was. |
|
|
|
Post by Elle Em on Jun 8, 2017 7:17:43 GMT -5
I think Piper was happy about her life If she had not become a witch, she'ld work at Quake and love Dan and form a family with him I don't think Piper knew how to be content - she was happiest when she had something to gripe about. I'm sure she would've found something to gripe about Dan or Quake - probably gripe about how boring her life was. She sure seemed that way in most of the show, but I wonder if she would have turned into that kind of person if she hadn't become a witch. She seemed very mild mannered and the type of person to go with the flow in season one. Her discontent about everything seemed to grow as their powers did. If they never got their powers but she had the same type of personal evolution that she did where she learned to be more assertive, then she would probably be a complainer no matter what. But I wonder if that would have ever happened without magic, or if she would have just forever been a mediator between her sisters. |
|
ljones
Whitelighter
Posts: 4,123
|
Post by ljones on Jun 12, 2017 20:10:56 GMT -5
You know one thing you can say about Piper's moaning of wanting a normal life at least that desire and bitching about it was there since 1x02. It's not something that appeared out of the blue after Prue died. Least they were consistent with Piper I never had a problem with Piper wanting a normal life. In fact, I felt rather sorry for her, because she believed that she had to continue being a witch. |
|
|
|
Post by Melinda Halliwell on Jun 13, 2017 2:01:07 GMT -5
I didn't mind Piper wanting a normal life what bugged me was when she and her sisters decided to be witches again Witch Way Now end and then she put Wyatt or Chris over innocent people who needed help after that or when Phoebe got a premonition and she ignored that sometimes after season 3 although they didn't know Wyatt would turn evil obviously which probably would've changed their minds had the Angel Of Destiny told them then.
|
|
|
|
Post by sol on Jun 14, 2017 0:58:08 GMT -5
I think it's biologic that a mother put her children over whoever, it's called survival of the human species
|
|
Granny Charmed
Whitelighter
S1 "What If...?"
Fan Fic Winner
Posts: 3,225
|
Post by Granny Charmed on Jun 14, 2017 7:17:44 GMT -5
I didn't mind Piper wanting a normal life what bugged me was when she and her sisters decided to be witches again Witch Way Now end and then she put Wyatt or Chris over innocent people who needed help after that or when Phoebe got a premonition and she ignored that sometimes after season 3 although they didn't know Wyatt would turn evil obviously which probably would've changed their minds had the Angel Of Destiny told them then. Yes that did bug me too dear, when they had an out and didn't take it. But they had no idea what would happen going forward with Wyatt. |
|
|
|
Post by Charmed by Piper on Jun 15, 2017 20:51:32 GMT -5
It was completely normal for her to feel this way. Not all three sisters could accept magic and it being a factor of their lives so fully. However her nagging did get out of hand as the seasons went on. Even as a Piper fan, I did get annoyed.
|
|
codebox
Familiar
Hey I'm a Charmed Veteran have been for a long time. Hope to share some insight and opinions.
Posts: 287 
|
Post by codebox on Mar 24, 2019 14:08:59 GMT -5
Piper always complained about a normal life it was part of the character after all. However the earlier seasons handled it much better that I think not a lot of people realize. To start when you grow up so many years as a normal person with your own life of course not everyone will be accepting or like the idea of a particular duty placed on them, it's like working at a job you don't like it, complain it sucks working, but you have to do it anyway it's a natural reaction for a person to not be accepting of being their own destiny. This is why I felt Piper was realistic in earlier seasons.
In "I've Got Your Under My Skin" Piper does complain, but it came from more of being frustrated about their out of control powers at the time (her panicking in the kitchen) to her general fear that it makes her a bad person. Argue about how her arguments don't content with strong enough support, but the fact remains earlier seasons did a much better job with rationalizing and given Piper more of a relatability in her normal life desires, rather than centralizing it.
There was also "How to Make a Quilt Out of Americans" again Piper begins to walk out, but not without reasoning (people dying around them so much, which happened right after their Aunt Gale was killed) Despite being the most against witchcraft it never affect her ability to stick with her sisters/duty because it was what she was.
In fact Wicca Envy has one of my favorite endings in the whole show because it shows while being witches make their personal lives harder they enjoyed it regardless.
Context and reasoning are why Piper's normal life complaining weren't a big issue for me, because it never centralized the entire character, was used more realistically and never affected her ability to still help innocents. Season 3 (primarily "Exit Strategy") she began to lose that and her complaining just amounted to shrill and annoyance that it wasn't going her way. I could excuse this since, again while it started surfacing into more shrill complaining it only lasted for a few scenes and Piper never used it as a priority over saving people's lives. Plus she was kinda understandably angry at the Elders.
Piper never really complained in Season 4, in fact it was more of a transition phase and despite her blindness to believe Paige's warnings about Cole she was actually pretty okay here, aside from Brain Drain there wasn't much moments where having a normal life became a goal for her. Season 5 completely handwaves everything and since the entire shift of the show changed it was clear Piper was going for more of a sitcom wife approach, thus her nagging and complaining became more of something of selfish desire to the point where her destiny to fight evil took a backseat every single time she saw it as an inconvenience to herself/her family, rather than a balanced character flaw with some motives behind it.
It was then Piper's entire goal around a normal life became centralized and thus lost her relatability and Whinper replaced Piper who was gone. Which could've easily been reasonable had they explain more internal conflicts about it.
To conclude it wasn't her wanting a normal life that was the problem, it was how it completely centralized the character that became the problem. People don't seem to offset the difference.
|
|
codebox
Familiar
Hey I'm a Charmed Veteran have been for a long time. Hope to share some insight and opinions.
Posts: 287
|
Post by codebox on Mar 24, 2019 14:10:29 GMT -5
I don't think Piper knew how to be content - she was happiest when she had something to gripe about. I'm sure she would've found something to gripe about Dan or Quake - probably gripe about how boring her life was. She sure seemed that way in most of the show, but I wonder if she would have turned into that kind of person if she hadn't become a witch. She seemed very mild mannered and the type of person to go with the flow in season one. Her discontent about everything seemed to grow as their powers did. If they never got their powers but she had the same type of personal evolution that she did where she learned to be more assertive, then she would probably be a complainer no matter what. But I wonder if that would have ever happened without magic, or if she would have just forever been a mediator between her sisters. Piper always complained about a normal life it was part of the character after all. However the earlier seasons handled it much better that I think not a lot of people realize. To start when you grow up so many years as a normal person with your own life of course not everyone will be accepting or like the idea of a particular duty placed on them, it's like working at a job you don't like it, complain it sucks working, but you have to do it anyway it's a natural reaction for a person to not be accepting of being their own duties, be it work or other obligations. This is why I felt Piper was realistic in earlier seasons.
In "I've Got Your Under My Skin" Piper does complain, but it came from more of being frustrated about their out of control powers at the time (her panicking in the kitchen when their powers go out of control) to her general fear that being a witch makes her a bad person. Argue about how her arguments don't content with strong enough support, but the fact remains earlier seasons did a much better job with rationalizing and giving Piper more of a relatability in her normal life desires, rather than centralizing it.
There was also "How to Make a Quilt Out of Americans" again Piper begins to walk out, but not without reasoning (people dying around them so much, which happened right after their Aunt Gale was killed) Despite being the most against witchcraft it never affect her ability to stick with her sisters/duty because it was what she was.
In fact Wicca Envy has one of my favorite endings in the whole show because it shows while being witches make their personal lives harder they enjoyed it regardless.
Context and reasoning are why Piper's normal life complaining weren't a big issue for me in the first four seasons, because it never centralized the entire character, was used more realistically and never affected her ability to still help innocents.
Season 3 (primarily "Exit Strategy") she began to lose that and her complaining just amounted to shrill and annoyance that it wasn't going her way. I could excuse this since, again while it started surfacing into more shrill complaining it only lasted for a few scenes and Piper never used it as a priority over saving people's lives. Plus she was kinda understandably angry at the Elders.
Piper never really complained in Season 4, in fact it was more of a transition phase for the character and despite her blindness to believe Paige's warnings about Cole she was actually pretty okay here, aside from "Brain Drain" there wasn't much moments where having a normal life became a goal for her. Even her interactions with Leo were normal for the most part.
Season 5 completely handwaves everything and since the entire shift of the show changed it was clear Piper was going for more of a sitcom wife approach, thus her nagging and complaining became more of something of selfish desire to the point where her destiny to fight evil took a backseat every single time she saw it as an inconvenience to herself/her family, rather than a balanced character flaw with some motives behind it.
It was then Piper's entire goal around a normal life became centralized and thus lost her relatability and Whinper replaced Piper who was gone. Which could've easily been reasonable had they explain more internal conflicts about it.
To conclude it wasn't her wanting a normal life that was the problem, it was how it completely centralized the character that became the problem. People don't seem to offset the difference. Besides we don't get Piper in Seasons 5-8 we get Whinper instead. 
Read more: thecharmedcafe.proboards.com/thread/12135/piper-wanting-normal-life?page=1#ixzz5j7NMYlml |
|
codebox
Familiar
Hey I'm a Charmed Veteran have been for a long time. Hope to share some insight and opinions.
Posts: 287
|
Post by codebox on Mar 24, 2019 14:23:56 GMT -5
I'd agree with that IF the times when Piper griped were when she wasn't allowed to do what she wanted to. When her magic came in handy, she loved it. When it didn't let her do what she wanted to do, she hated it. Sounds to me she just wanted everything her way. I see why she felt that way. But to me it got old fast when she constantly brought it up so often and complained. It is like someone in real life hating on doing something they don't like fully, but deciding to do it anyway and still complaining about it over and over to the point it just get's old and annoying. Especially when she had an out for a normal life in Witch Way Now. Piper always complained about a normal life it was part of the character after all. However the earlier seasons handled it much better that I think not a lot of people realize. To start when you grow up so many years as a normal person with your own life of course not everyone will be accepting or like the idea of a particular duty placed on them, it's like working at a job you don't like it, complain it sucks working, but you have to do it anyway it's a natural reaction for a person to not be accepting of being their own duties, be it work or other obligations. This is why I felt Piper was realistic in earlier seasons.
In "I've Got Your Under My Skin" Piper does complain, but it came from more of being frustrated about their out of control powers at the time (her panicking in the kitchen when their powers go out of control) to her general fear that being a witch makes her a bad person. Argue about how her arguments don't content with strong enough support, but the fact remains earlier seasons did a much better job with rationalizing and giving Piper more of a relatability in her normal life desires, rather than centralizing it.
There was also "How to Make a Quilt Out of Americans" again Piper begins to walk out, but not without reasoning (people dying around them so much, which happened right after their Aunt Gale was killed) Despite being the most against witchcraft it never affect her ability to stick with her sisters/duty because it was what she was.
In fact Wicca Envy has one of my favorite endings in the whole show because it shows while being witches make their personal lives harder they enjoyed it regardless.
Context and reasoning are why Piper's normal life complaining weren't a big issue for me in the first four seasons, because it never centralized the entire character, was used more realistically and never affected her ability to still help innocents.
Season 3 (primarily "Exit Strategy") she began to lose that and her complaining just amounted to shrill and annoyance that it wasn't going her way. I could excuse this since, again while it started surfacing into more shrill complaining it only lasted for a few scenes and Piper never used it as a priority over saving people's lives. Plus she was kinda understandably angry at the Elders.
Piper never really complained in Season 4, in fact it was more of a transition phase for the character and despite her blindness to believe Paige's warnings about Cole she was actually pretty okay here, aside from "Brain Drain" there wasn't much moments where having a normal life became a goal for her. Even her interactions with Leo were normal for the most part.
Season 5 completely handwaves everything and since the entire shift of the show changed it was clear Piper was going for more of a sitcom wife approach, thus her nagging and complaining became more of something of selfish desire to the point where her destiny to fight evil took a backseat every single time she saw it as an inconvenience to herself/her family, rather than a balanced character flaw with some motives behind it.
It was then Piper's entire goal around a normal life became centralized and thus lost her relatability and Whinper replaced Piper who was gone. Which could've easily been reasonable had they explain more internal conflicts about it.
To conclude it wasn't her wanting a normal life that was the problem, it was how it completely centralized the character that became the problem. People don't seem to offset the difference. Besides we don't get Piper in Seasons 5-8 we get Whinper instead. Read more: thecharmedcafe.proboards.com/thread/12135/piper-wanting-normal-life?page=1#ixzz5j7QqVxWZ |
|
|
|
Post by Melinda Halliwell on Mar 24, 2019 15:35:55 GMT -5
Season 4 was a good reason to end the show then.
Piper and Phoebe would've had their normal lives had they chosen to give up their powers meaning no more whining from them. No twice blessed child or baby quest or any flash forwards commencing.
And if the Angels offer had been different in that Paige could keep her powers because she wanted to remain a witch whilst Piper and Phoebe gave up there's if Piper learnt about her potential son's future then that would've been the best of both worlds evidently.
|
|
|
|
Post by BriannaWarren2.0 on Oct 10, 2020 12:04:46 GMT -5
I don't think it's a bad thing that she wanted something that wasn't exactly attainable at that part of her life, we all do it, from wanting to own a house and wanting to have a family, just using these as examples.
I completely understand that at the beginning of her witchcraft days that she was lost within who she was and that realization that she was lied to by the one person she thought she could trust and at end of the series, how many times can each of them scarifice their lives for the greater good and not receive anything from it, which is why I believe the Elders should have allowed the sisters to use personal gain spells as a form of payment.
They have to save the world almost everyday, they also have to make sure that magic doesn't get exposed in the process, also having to "keep up appearances" and make sure they don't die so that they can continue on with it for God-knows how long, is pressure that we would never know.
I think that's the problem that she was having, they did everything for the greater good and got nothing in return. It's like us going to work all day, everyday, and not getting paid, that is what that is.
|
|
