How different would the series have been had Andy stayed?

[craig]

Jun 30, 2017 8:56:11 GMT -5 Miranda Turner said:

If Andy stayed, I actually would of liked the idea of Cole being a new detective at the police station as his cover. Now if had happened, maybe Darryl could be the one killed off or maybe he just get's written out at some point after learning the sisters secret. Andy get's a new partner in Cole, and Andy could be suspicious of Cole.

Now when Prue dies, Andy can still stay on wanting to help innocents and look out for Prue's sisters. Him and Paige getting together actually isn't that bad, if it was a natural progression that happens over the next five seasons. Maybe Prue and Andy never really get together and married during the next two years leading up to Prue's death. Maybe, as other posters above have said Shax ruins the wedding.

Maybe the pair just get back together shortly before Prue's death, and we just never know what could of been.

Never considered Cole being Andy's new partner. Nice idea!

[Esmeralda]

As long as we're re-watching Season One, I decided to bump this thread forward - see what our newer members think...

[Sasha]

What a great idea Es. Well, I'm loving Andy so far, and what he brought to the show. I truly do think he added a great element to the series with the non-magical side into the show. Darryl wasn't involved with any of the sisters or knew the sisters growing up, and didn't have what Andy brought. He also wasn't in as many episodes, and plots as he could have been.

With Andy, I'd imagine he still plays a role even if Prue died.

I never considered the idea, that Cole could have posed as a new partner for Andy in Season 3. Assuming of course, that Darryl was killed at some point or written out before then. But I like the unit of Andy and Darryl as the supporting characters, with the sisters the stars more than the unit with the sisters and Cole and Leo more.

[Olga Halliwell]

Well for starters it would change so much. If Leo stayed gone, that means no Piper being married with children, it means no bigger role for whitelighters and elders, it means no witchlighters like Paige, Chris, and Wyatt. Yup, I'd love to live in a universe where Andy stayed.

I agree Sasha, that it would add a non-magical side to the show that we needed, Darryl wasn't that involved and barely appeared. With Andy him being their childhood friend, means he knows the sisters well enough, that he could be a good voice of reason with a different point of view.

Having the Andy/Darryl unit for many seasons, I think would really balance out the series. Them being non-magical means they can't take over the show the way Cole, Chris, and Leo did, because they have no powers, to really get in the way.

[rebooted]

I would have liked Andy staying but for Andy and Prue to have done long distance and him coming back to San Fran for some episodes. That way he isn't implicated in the supernatural stuff and so that storyline ends in Season 1 and it isn't magic coming between them - but long distance.

I would have then preferred Leo's wings being clipped in Season 2 so that Leo and Piper could have been together. There was no need for him to get his powers back in Murphys Luck. But there would be some understanding that he would still be the voice piece between the Elders and the sister so he would be 'up there' a lot - away from the sisters.

Coles storyline should have ended in Season 3 Sleuthing.

[summerreading]

Jan 28, 2019 15:39:52 GMT -5 rebooted said:

I would have liked Andy staying but for Andy and Prue to have done long distance and him coming back to San Fran for some episodes. That way he isn't implicated in the supernatural stuff and so that storyline ends in Season 1 and it isn't magic coming between them - but long distance.

I would have then preferred Leo's wings being clipped in Season 2 so that Leo and Piper could have been together. There was no need for him to get his powers back in Murphys Luck. But there would be some understanding that he would still be the voice piece between the Elders and the sister so he would be 'up there' a lot - away from the sisters.

Coles storyline should have ended in Season 3 Sleuthing.

I agree about Cole, his arc really would have become one I might have loved more if his story ended in 'Sleuthing'. Now if he had been a full demon with no half, that would have been way more exciting.

And if Leo did get his powers back in 'Murphys Luck', that might have been a better place to have him exit, with both him and Piper parting ways here. Much like Leo being taken away in Magic Hour, I'm surprised Leo didn't get an even more harsh punishment for saving Piper than just having his wings clipped, like being recycled. Yet, they let him get them back, only for their relationship to be a problem for them and letting them marry only after they saved the Elders butts. 

More and more, I think I like the way they did the Elders known as the Founders in S1. And in regards to this question, yes I'd so wish Andy stayed over Leo. 

[Ruth Marie]

Yeah, I really do think if Andy remained on the show and Leo was only one season. We'd have a better series, because it would stay grounded.

And Andy can't take the attention off the stars, as Leo and Cole did. He didn't have any powers and was a non-magical, and would only be supporting, and maybe do a better job of it than Darryl, for the fact he grew up with the Halliwells, he'd have a good connection with them.

[gzv969]

1) If andy stayed, he and Darryl would have remained partners. I found it strange that Darryl never got a new partner and remained solo after Andy died. Seemed odd as detectives usually work in pairs.

2) It would have also been better for Prues character development with Andy around. I would have rather watched Prue in a serious relationship than watch Piper with Leo. To watch Prue try to balance a relationship with andy even up unto marriage, and continuing to be a charmed one would have been a good arc. Would have made Prue appreciate victor more knowing how patty and victors relationship must have been.

I’d see a scenario where Andy would have survived after season 1 after nearly dying and Prue now realizing how much she really loved him. And now in season 2, is questioning herself, like she did in the first episode, but this time questioning whether she wants to continue being charmed or stay with andy. Having the guilt that it was her decision and their magic that nearly got him killed. Andy for sure wouldn’t let her give up being charmed, but it would be interesting to see Prue and even Andy struggling with that.

[Elle Em]

Putting Piper in a serious relationship felt more like taking away from her character than adding to it. Issues with Andy really allowed Prue to change and grow, whereas issues with Leo took over Piper's life. I would much rather watch Piper grow on her own as a person through her work and dealing with being a witch than watch her change through the lens of a romantic relationship. Well, I'd actually want that for all of them, as I felt like they were all at their best when they were single. But if one of the sisters has to have relationship drama, Prue and Andy would be my pick for a couple.

[Esmeralda]

Mar 14, 2019 7:08:32 GMT -5 Elle Em said:

Putting Piper in a serious relationship felt more like taking away from her character than adding to it. Issues with Andy really allowed Prue to change and grow, whereas issues with Leo took over Piper's life. I would much rather watch Piper grow on her own as a person through her work and dealing with being a witch than watch her change through the lens of a romantic relationship. Well, I'd actually want that for all of them, as I felt like they were all at their best when they were single. But if one of the sisters has to have relationship drama, Prue and Andy would be my pick for a couple.

Mine, too, as long as they never got married to each other and never had kids with each other. As you said, they were all better single, and I would've liked to have seen all three single. I'd like to see Paige still with Glenn, but him doing a lot of traveling, so she doesn't see him that much. I'd like to see Phoebe in a lesbian relationship with Kyra. I'd like to see Piper still mourning Leo's loss in S1, so she's never been with anyone else and instead concentrates on P3, which by now is the restaurant she always wanted.

That's the ending I'd like to see rather than each of them married with three kids, especially Piper and Phoebe married to someone who I could never see them make happy or them make her be happy. 'Forever Crap', I mean 'Forever Piper' I mean 'Forever Charmed' to me will always just be Piper's fantasy after the explosion in 'Kill Billie, Vol 2.' just before she and Phoebe die, while Paige panic-orbs out and gets the hell out of Dodge, leading Victor and Leo to raise the boys - meaning Wyatt wouldn't turn evil and Chris wouldn't have to come back and put the world into an everlasting time loop.

[prudencehalliwell]

Yes. Really think Piper's character being stuck in a series long love arc was the worst for her character. Her character was already slowly starting to change in S2 for the worse.

Watch S1 and she's so much better single, adding laughs when episodes are scary and even her Quake dramas of the episode are enough to make her perfect to watch. I wished this Piper was around for the whole show.

I always wonder where the Prue and Andy story would go in S2, if Andy didn't die. Better enjoy these last five episodes with Andy in our re-watch.

After rewatching 70s Episode with the board re-watch, shows how great a Charmed episode can be when the episode has zero relationship stories or drama. Imagine that was more common on Charmed.

[Ruth Marie]

I really think Piper's character was so damaged being stuck in a series long romantic centric arc and Morality Bites also didn't let her relationship play organically being influenced. Actually all of them were and being single was a better option. I liked the short lived relationships more.

Your right Prudence, 70s really did show how great the show is when it's truly sisterly centric with zero relationship drama with love interests. That's the only episode in the whole show that was special like that.

Interested to see how I feel about S2 and about Piper now when we re-watch S2. Better enjoy Piper as she was in S1 while it lasts before romance becomes a full time part of her stories every episode.

[Sasha]

I really think they picked the wrong sister to be stuck with the long-term romantic relationship in Piper. Now I'd much prefer if it was Prue/Andy, even if they never got married or had children, and of course, if Prue still died, but Andy remained.

But, something got brought up in another thread a while back, if Leo didn't return and Andy stayed, would they have put Prue with Dan, and done a love triangle with Prue/Dan/Andy or even Prue/Bane/Andy, or let Phoebe or Piper have Dan and or Bane.

But as others have said, Piper is so much fun in S1, and always at her best when she provides some much-needed comedy in scary episodes or serious moments and was just focusing on her job and all her Quake problems of the episode are more enjoyable to watch, and also continues to be mediator between her sisters.

[summerreading]

I personally like the sisters better when they were not attached to a love interest, but that is just me. And S1, with Prue/Andy being the only long-term arc, of course, we had Piper (but her arc with Leo was limited to under 6 episodes and spread out).

And to the re-watchers of S1 on the board, yes, we all love Piper to bits in S1 and she is at her best here. Maybe S1 was Piper's best season overall. We'll see how I feel re-watching S2 and beyond.

[gzv969]

Mar 14, 2019 19:10:16 GMT -5 summerreading said:

I personally like the sisters better when they were not attached to a love interest, but that is just me. And S1, with Prue/Andy being the only long-term arc, of course, we had Piper (but her arc with Leo was limited to under 6 episodes and spread out).

And to the re-watchers of S1 on the board, yes, we all love Piper to bits in S1 and she is at her best here. Maybe S1 was Piper's best season overall. We'll see how I feel re-watching S2 and beyond.

Season 1 and 2 for me were pipers best seasons. S3 and S4 was still okay but once kids got involved from S5 her entire character changed

[summerreading]

Mar 15, 2019 13:32:11 GMT -5 gzv969 said:

Mar 14, 2019 19:10:16 GMT -5 summerreading said:

I personally like the sisters better when they were not attached to a love interest, but that is just me. And S1, with Prue/Andy being the only long-term arc, of course, we had Piper (but her arc with Leo was limited to under 6 episodes and spread out).

And to the re-watchers of S1 on the board, yes, we all love Piper to bits in S1 and she is at her best here. Maybe S1 was Piper's best season overall. We'll see how I feel re-watching S2 and beyond.

Season 1 and 2 for me were pipers best seasons. S3 and S4 was still okay but once kids got involved from S5 her entire character changed

You are not wrong about that. Her all-time worse was after she had Wyatt through to the end of the show.

If she is still just as enjoyable re-watching S2 as she has been for S1, I'll count S2 as the best seasons for Piper overall. I just remember not liking her with the love triangle, so I'm looking forward to seeing how I feel now. I know Phoebe still remained my favorite in S1-S2, and I really liked Prue in S2. I'll hope I can continue to enjoy all three in S2 as I have in S1's second half. 

[Esmeralda]

Mar 15, 2019 19:32:57 GMT -5 summerreading said:

Mar 15, 2019 13:32:11 GMT -5 gzv969 said:

Season 1 and 2 for me were pipers best seasons. S3 and S4 was still okay but once kids got involved from S5 her entire character changed

You are not wrong about that. Her all-time worse was after she had Wyatt through to the end of the show.

If she is still just as enjoyable re-watching S2 as she has been for S1, I'll count S2 as the best seasons for Piper overall. I just remember not liking her with the love triangle, so I'm looking forward to seeing how I feel now. I know Phoebe still remained my favorite in S1-S2, and I really liked Prue in S2. I'll hope I can continue to enjoy all three in S2 as I have in S1's second half. 

Yup, for me, you just have to figure out which one(s) doesn't have a love interest, and that/those sister(s) is/are my favorite(s) for that season.

[pheebs]

Mar 16, 2019 17:48:29 GMT -5 Esmeralda said:

Mar 15, 2019 19:32:57 GMT -5 summerreading said:

You are not wrong about that. Her all-time worse was after she had Wyatt through to the end of the show.

If she is still just as enjoyable re-watching S2 as she has been for S1, I'll count S2 as the best seasons for Piper overall. I just remember not liking her with the love triangle, so I'm looking forward to seeing how I feel now. I know Phoebe still remained my favorite in S1-S2, and I really liked Prue in S2. I'll hope I can continue to enjoy all three in S2 as I have in S1's second half. 

Yup, for me, you just have to figure out which one(s) doesn't have a love interest, and that/those sister(s) is/are my favorite(s) for that season.

 Me too, especially Phoebe. I will forever love her in S1 and S2 when she didn't get a love interest, and the ones she did have were one episode only ones. 

[Esmeralda]

Mar 16, 2019 18:42:46 GMT -5 pheebs said:

Mar 16, 2019 17:48:29 GMT -5 Esmeralda said:

Yup, for me, you just have to figure out which one(s) doesn't have a love interest, and that/those sister(s) is/are my favorite(s) for that season.

 Me too, especially Phoebe. I will forever love her in S1 and S2 when she didn't get a love interest, and the ones she did have were one episode only ones. 

Yeah, short-tem love interests were the best, which is why Prue/Bane, Piper/Mark and Phoebe/Kyra are my favorites. For Paige, it's Henry for me, but he was only one season. If Piper/Leo had only been part of S1, Prue/Bane only part of S2 and Phoebe/Cole only part of S3, it would've been perfect, especially if they were the only ones with a love interest in each of those seasons!

Had they had Prue tell Andy the family secret earlier and he was able to accept it, then I'd want him and Prue the ones in S1, but as is, I prefer her with Bane when he already *did* know! Besides, that way you have Piper and her angel in S1, Prue and her non-magical in S2 and Phoebe and her devil in S3. Perfect!

[pheebs]

Mar 16, 2019 18:49:29 GMT -5 Esmeralda said:

Mar 16, 2019 18:42:46 GMT -5 pheebs said:

 Me too, especially Phoebe. I will forever love her in S1 and S2 when she didn't get a love interest, and the ones she did have were one episode only ones. 

Yeah, short-tem love interests were the best, which is why Prue/Bane, Piper/Mark and Phoebe/Kyra are my favorites. For Paige, it's Henry for me, but he was only one season. If Piper/Leo had only been part of S1, Prue/Bane only part of S2 and Phoebe/Cole only part of S3, it would've been perfect, especially if they were the only ones with a love interest in each of those seasons!

Had they had Prue tell Andy the family secret earlier and he was able to accept it, then I'd want him and Prue the ones in S1, but as is, I prefer her with Bane when he already *did* know! Besides, that way you have Piper and her angel in S1, Prue and her non-magical in S2 and Phoebe and her devil in S3. Perfect!

That would have been great if they did that, Yep and Phoebe/Cole, only if his story ends with 'Sleuthing' and he is vanquished. Perfect! 

That is a pretty cool set-up, since all three would be with completely different people. A good three-year run. 

If you kept this set-up but had to still introduce Paige, and or the series was only four seasons with either Paige or Prue included. What would you do for S4? Would you just let Paige have Henry, so now all four had someone for one season? And if you had to do six or seven seasons, what would your set-up be?