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Post by charmedforlife28 on Jun 13, 2017 23:12:08 GMT -5
Do the Charmed ones ever find out that Cole told the source that they were getting married and thats why the elders took Leo away
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Post by charmedforlife28 on Jun 13, 2017 23:16:57 GMT -5
For some reason I cannot see what I write in the thread box so thats why this post isn't very clear. My question is, Do the Charmed Ones ever find out Cole was the one who told the source that Leo and Piper were planning on getting married, since I assume the source then alerted the Elders causing them to force Leo to orb "up there"
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Post by sol on Jun 14, 2017 0:59:56 GMT -5
I don't think they never knew about it, Cole was too smart to come clean about it!
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Jun 14, 2017 1:59:24 GMT -5
Yeah nothing was ever mentioned or shown on the show to indicate that he just went unless the Elders were informed off screen.
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Post by Esmeralda on Jun 14, 2017 22:02:00 GMT -5
I think C4L28 means at the beginning of S3, during the eclipse, when Leo and Piper try to sneak in a wedding but Leo's taken away.
If you mean that, C4L, no, I don't think they ever find out that he's the one who blabbed. I'll assume that Phoebe must've told him when they were on a date, but I'm not even sure about that.
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Post by Granny Charmed on Jun 15, 2017 7:35:54 GMT -5
I don't think it was ever mentioned dears. Might have been off-screen, but never mentioned. The same way the Charmed Ones appeared to know all about the Source in Apocalypse, Not. Most likely from Leo and the Elders. Some things dears just were not shown or mentioned on-screen sometimes.
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Post by Chrisaholic on Jun 15, 2017 8:54:06 GMT -5
Yeah, I agree. It was never mentioned onscreen, yet maybe Cole told Phoebe once later. We never know in that case. Unfortunately.
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Post by charmedforlife28 on Jun 15, 2017 20:44:56 GMT -5
Yeah I was referring the first time they tried to get married during the eclipse. I wonder if Phoebe had found out later on whether she would stop being with Cole. It seemed like he could do anything and she would say how that was the "old him"
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Post by Esmeralda on Jun 16, 2017 7:18:53 GMT -5
*sigh* Unfortunately that's what happens when you're infatuated - you see your "love" through rose-colored glasses - s/he can do no wrong. Love is when you see all sides of the person, accept all sides, and love them anyway, something Phoebe couldn't do with Cole (she couldn't accept that he was half-demon, and since he was raised by his demonic mother, much more demon than human), the way Piper wouldn't do with Leo (she wouldn't accept that he was an angel - she was only happy with the errand boy). They were both infatuated with them as what they wanted in a boyfriend/husband, which was so much less than what the guy truly was. Hence why I never use the word "love" when speaking about those couples, except in fanfics.
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Post by Alana on Jun 17, 2017 14:33:28 GMT -5
It would have been interesting if this topis had been brought up by Piper or Leo....
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Post by erikamarie on Jun 21, 2017 3:29:16 GMT -5
*sigh* Unfortunately that's what happens when you're infatuated - you see your "love" through rose-colored glasses - s/he can do no wrong. Love is when you see all sides of the person, accept all sides, and love them anyway, something Phoebe couldn't do with Cole (she couldn't accept that he was half-demon, and since he was raised by his demonic mother, much more demon than human), the way Piper wouldn't do with Leo (she wouldn't accept that he was an angel - she was only happy with the errand boy). They were both infatuated with them as what they wanted in a boyfriend/husband, which was so much less than what the guy truly was. Hence why I never use the word "love" when speaking about those couples, except in fanfics. Phoebe fell in love with Cole Turner, not with Belthazor, how'ld a normal woman fall in love with Belthazor? Cole told her he'ld live as a normal man and she believed him, because she loved him, but it was not so easy for Cole to keep the promise Whitelighter or not, Leo is a sweet guy, perfect for Piper, he hadn't a different and secret personality, only a different job and when Leo left the Elders,he has to change his life but I think Piper helped him a lot Why errand boy? A woman with a job has the right to ask her husband to help out |
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Post by Esmeralda on Jun 21, 2017 8:25:04 GMT -5
But Cole *is* Belthazor. If what you say is true, finding out who/what he truly is should've killed that love. The fact that it didn't - that she pretended that Cole was the real one, not Belthazor (he'd been that for 100 years) shows that she was infatuated, not in love, which led to him being obsessed.
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Post by Sadrick on Jun 21, 2017 12:16:47 GMT -5
What exactly constitutes as embracement of Cole's demonic nature in your eyes, Esmeralda? Does Phoebe pining for the crimson flesh of his hellish visage fit the criteria? Is she to turn a blind eye to his depraved murder streak or worse, encourage it? I never quite understood what it was about Belthazor that needed to be accepted.
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Post by magena on Jun 21, 2017 12:47:31 GMT -5
But Cole *is* Belthazor. If what you say is true, finding out who/what he truly is should've killed that love. The fact that it didn't - that she pretended that Cole was the real one, not Belthazor (he'd been that for 100 years) shows that she was infatuated, not in love, which led to him being obsessed. Cole was Phoebe first love, she didn't know that men aren't able to change, no way a seasoned demon like Cole'ld turn in a common lawyer!! She was very naive |
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Post by lilchi7212 on Jun 21, 2017 14:42:19 GMT -5
But Cole *is* Belthazor. If what you say is true, finding out who/what he truly is should've killed that love. The fact that it didn't - that she pretended that Cole was the real one, not Belthazor (he'd been that for 100 years) shows that she was infatuated, not in love, which led to him being obsessed. Cole was Phoebe first love, she didn't know that men aren't able to change, no way a seasoned demon like Cole'ld turn in a common lawyer!! She was very naive What do you mean by men can't change? I would say a man or woman can change if they are truly sincere about it. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Jun 21, 2017 17:32:39 GMT -5
But Cole *is* Belthazor. If what you say is true, finding out who/what he truly is should've killed that love. The fact that it didn't - that she pretended that Cole was the real one, not Belthazor (he'd been that for 100 years) shows that she was infatuated, not in love, which led to him being obsessed. Cole was Phoebe first love, she didn't know that men aren't able to change, no way a seasoned demon like Cole'ld turn in a common lawyer!! She was very naive And that was part of the problem. At the beginning of the series, Phoebe was NOT naive - she had more street smarts than her other two sisters put together. And Cole was NOT her first love. If he was, I'd understand what happened a bit more. But we knew about Clay in Season One and according to Cupid in Season Two (bolding mine): SOURCE: transcripts.foreverdreaming.org/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=4922Does that sound like Cole was her first love?? It's what I hated so much about her with Cole - they made her act like an obsessed teenager with her first crush when she was very obviously anything but. |
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Post by erikamarie on Jun 22, 2017 4:21:27 GMT -5
Ken, Kyle, Steve, Mike, Ken again, Brian, Joel, Martin, Peter, Paul, Tony....it's the typical list of stupid teens flirtations
Indeed, the Cupid told Phoebe he knew why she wasn't able to fall in love really
Cole was smart, he had his dossier about Phoebe, perfect to overcome her fears
The invite to watch Kill it before it dies was the right move, Phoebe thought she had found her beloved Billy in Cole
Phoebe was a smart young woman but totally inexpert about what you feel when you fall in love, it was her first time, she swallowed the bait
Her big mistake was she didn't understand that Belthazor was no only the big bag red and black demon but Belthazor lived in Cole's personality too
Even if Cole didn't use Belthazor's powers, that personality, hungry for power, bent on commanding, cynic and cold was part of him, as it was proved when Cole lost his powers
Phoebe thought there were two separate persons, human Cole and demon Belthazor and she'ld live happily with Cole
She was naive
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Post by magena on Jun 22, 2017 5:24:42 GMT -5
Cole was Phoebe first love, she didn't know that men aren't able to change, no way a seasoned demon like Cole'ld turn in a common lawyer!! She was very naive What do you mean by men can't change? I would say a man or woman can change if they are truly sincere about it. The character is formed within the four years of age, then various experiences shape it for this reason it's difficult for an adult to change, let alone a man/demon almost centenarian!! |
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Post by magena on Jun 22, 2017 5:35:42 GMT -5
Cole was Phoebe first love, she didn't know that men aren't able to change, no way a seasoned demon like Cole'ld turn in a common lawyer!! She was very naive And that was part of the problem. At the beginning of the series, Phoebe was NOT naive - she had more street smarts than her other two sisters put together. And Cole was NOT her first love. If he was, I'd understand what happened a bit more. But we knew about Clay in Season One and according to Cupid in Season Two (bolding mine): SOURCE: transcripts.foreverdreaming.org/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=4922Does that sound like Cole was her first love?? It's what I hated so much about her with Cole - they made her act like an obsessed teenager with her first crush when she was very obviously anything but. It was exatly the Cupid to reveal that Phoebe'ìld not love When she stopped to fear love, she met Cole, a good man, a knight struggling to protect people, ready to listen her, and when she knew who he was, she was ready to believe whatever he said |
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Post by lilchi7212 on Jun 23, 2017 13:55:05 GMT -5
What do you mean by men can't change? I would say a man or woman can change if they are truly sincere about it. The character is formed within the four years of age, then various experiences shape it for this reason it's difficult for an adult to change, let alone a man/demon almost centenarian!! It's difficult but it's not impossible to change. |
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