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Post by fallingsnow6136 on Mar 5, 2018 4:09:52 GMT -5
In Awakened, why did the Elders forbid Leo to heal Piper? Isn't it bad for them to lose the Power of Three? If Piper died, there would be no power of three, had Leo not broken the rules and saved her anyway. And they suspended him too on top of that. Are the Elders truly neutral?
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Post by Elle Em on Mar 5, 2018 7:53:17 GMT -5
I think there was resistance to healing because Piper wasn't hurt by magic. It was a human disease brought on by human actions, and it seemed like healing in a magical way should be restricted to magical injuries.
That said, it would be devastating to lose such a powerful force of good, especially as the Elders and everyone else didn't know about Paige. So I guess the Elders weren't neutral in that they were ready to lose the Power of Three, but in another way they were: they were treating Piper and her sisters like everyone else.
It does make sense for the sisters to have some sort of special healing treatment, though. They were expected to do dangerous things that most other people weren't, and with major consequences for the entire world. It's just hard to find the line between taking care of the people who take care of others and not treating them special.
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Post by fallingsnow6136 on Mar 5, 2018 8:37:42 GMT -5
I think they should get special treatment. I mean the sisters risk their lives everyday and even if Piper wasn't hurt by magic, if she died, no Power of Three and since they didn't know about Paige, demons could find a way to destroy the Elders themselves. I have tried to find reasons to like the Elders but their actions are very questionable at times. I do understand why they didn't want Piper to marry Leo but the two didn't get distracted by each other luckily.
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Post by Esmeralda on Mar 5, 2018 8:58:00 GMT -5
Personally I think that the Elders knew what Leo was doing and were actually the ones doing it. They knew that Leo would try to heal Piper but as we're told in 'Charmed Again', whitelighters can't heal the dead. So this *was* the Elders using Leo to heal her so they could keep the Charmed Ones, but then taking away Leo's wings in order to try to teach the sisters (and Leo) a lesson like they did in 'Morality Bites' where Phoebe died but didn't die. Had the Elders really been angry with Leo, they would've taken him away like they did in Season Three or even recycled him. The fact that they didn't shows that they knew what he was doing and that *they* were the ones actually healing Piper, not Leo.
The fact that they let Prue die tells me they *did* know about Paige and wanted her and not Prue as part of the Power of Three due to Prue's recklessness in trying to vanquish Shax in public rather than have Piper freeze him, get out of Dodge and let DEMONS be exposed, not witches.
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Post by gzv969 on Mar 5, 2018 13:39:27 GMT -5
Or maybe Leo just flat out lied to prue and phoebe about the elders not letting him heal her. He told two obvious lies while taking to prue and phoebe. First was about him not being able to heal piper, that it probably wouldn’t work because she wasn’t hurt by evil. And the other was about not being their whiteligher anymore. If not then who was the new whiteligher. Why didn’t Leo ask them to call for the new one?
Leo was probably still pissed about piper being with Dan and was hoping piper would die so he could heal her up there to prove a point and at the same time win pipers heart. He was probably thinking like “hey could Dan do something like this for you?”. Same with leo refusing to heal pipers poison ivy in PH2O. Lovers quarrel
The elders probably clipped his wings because of how he went about healing piper instead of just healing her immediately once he found out she was critical.
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Post by Sadrick on Mar 5, 2018 17:07:50 GMT -5
It's definitely a multi-sided issue. On one hand, you have the daunting reality that without Piper, the Power of Three would be defunct. But if they allow Leo to heal Piper then what kind of example does that set? Magic can't be used to take away the world's woes. Both Henry and Phoebe address this sensitive issue in two different seasons. So I think the Elders were may have been siding with the idea of holding onto their principles, rather than having Leo violate them in order to save their immediate power base. Plus, it may have helped ease their thoughts by knowing that another sister was waiting in the wings should they ever need her.
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Post by Esmeralda on Mar 5, 2018 18:56:50 GMT -5
Or maybe Leo just flat out lied to prue and phoebe about the elders not letting him heal her. He told two obvious lies while taking to prue and phoebe. First was about him not being able to heal piper, that it probably wouldn’t work because she wasn’t hurt by evil. And the other was about not being their whiteligher anymore. If not then who was the new whiteligher. Why didn’t Leo ask them to call for the new one? Leo was probably still pissed about piper being with Dan and was hoping piper would die so he could heal her up there to prove a point and at the same time win pipers heart. He was probably thinking like “hey could Dan do something like this for you?”. Same with leo refusing to heal pipers poison ivy in PH2O. Lovers quarrel The elders probably clipped his wings because of how he went about healing piper instead of just healing her immediately once he found out she was critical. OOOO, I like that even better! |
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Post by fallingsnow6136 on Mar 5, 2018 19:00:54 GMT -5
Interesting thoughts everyone. As for Prue dying, I agree. It was one of the reasons I didn't like her S2 and S3. Her being reckless is worse than Paige being reckless because Paige is the baby and Piper and Phoebe can stop her sometimes. So her dying I felt saved her character from regressing even more.
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Post by Esmeralda on Mar 5, 2018 23:54:23 GMT -5
Prue wasn't reckless until near the end of S3, when I stopped liking her. I loved her from 'Secrets and Guys' until 'Sin Francisco' when she became reckless, although you could see a start of it when she took over Piper's wedding. I'm sure Kern was setting Prue up to die, something that wasn't the case before then.
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Post by fallingsnow6136 on Mar 6, 2018 0:01:17 GMT -5
Might I bring your attention to the episode That Old Black Magic? Leo told her that they couldn't vanquish Tuwatha and she still put her own and Piper and Phoebe's lives in danger. You're supposed to listen to your whitelighter.
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Post by Esmeralda on Mar 6, 2018 1:12:09 GMT -5
And that's one episode in two-and-a-half seasons and her reasons were as valid as Leo's. The sisters hardly ever followed Leo's advice. I always found it funny. They'd listen, but they wouldn't always follow and it always worked out.
So, no, I wouldn't use just that one episode to call her reckless - not the way she was at the end of Season Three when she started being the Power of One that Piper developed into in Season Four - as I'm sure Prue would've had she stayed, since that's obviously what Kern thought the oldest should be like.
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Post by Esmeralda on Mar 6, 2018 14:58:52 GMT -5
It's definitely a multi-sided issue. On one hand, you have the daunting reality that without Piper, the Power of Three would be defunct. But if they allow Leo to heal Piper then what kind of example does that set? Magic can't be used to take away the world's woes. Both Henry and Phoebe address this sensitive issue in two different seasons. So I think the Elders were may have been siding with the idea of holding onto their principles, rather than having Leo violate them in order to save their immediate power base. Plus, it may have helped ease their thoughts by knowing that another sister was waiting in the wings should they ever need her. Of course at this point, they didn't know Paige existed because she didn't, so that can't be used as a reason why they acted the way they did in "Awakened". That was different in "Charmed Again". |
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Post by fallingsnow6136 on Mar 8, 2018 6:01:05 GMT -5
Correction: they didn't follow Leo's advice when Prue was leader. But once Paige became a Charmed One, S4 they followed Leo's guidance a lot, even in S5. It's why they were feeling helpless as Gods because Leo wasn't there to guide them. I felt Prue liked being a leader while Leo helped Piper become one by guiding her and the sister. Piper had always been the middle sister and her role changed when she became the oldest. It's why I love her in S5 the most (minus the finale, who the heck wrote those gods episode darn?) because she had really assumed her position. She wasn't a Prue-copy but her own kind of leader which I loved. In S4, they seemed to be deciding to turn her into another Prue or not but then they didn't luckily.
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Post by Aaeiyn on Aug 22, 2021 16:27:47 GMT -5
I think there was resistance to healing because Piper wasn't hurt by magic. It was a human disease brought on by human actions, and it seemed like healing in a magical way should be restricted to magical injuries. I pretty much assumed this, as well. It's brought up, again via S3 "Blinded by the Whitelighter" per Natalie "I'll assume a demon attacked your finger, since healing is restricted to such circumstances". But, it seems by S3 and beyond, Leo appears to pick and choose which rules he wants to and not follow. One minute he's breaking the rule of healing a non-magical injury, next he's all "I'm not allowed to work with demons", make up your mind! You either want to be a Whitelighter or you don't! But, I digress. Back to the OP's initial point, this person pretty much covered it. She wasn't injured/dying through non-magical means. OFC, Leo found a magical loop hole, similar to their marriage, to where the Elders couldn't get to him, but I digress. |
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