Esmeralda
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Post by Esmeralda on Mar 7, 2018 8:32:31 GMT -5
That's a good point about the powers that Dr. Williamson would have if Paige were involved. The more powerful the sisters, the more powerful he is too. It ends up not mattering much about the powers, because they're matched either way. I think they tried everything they could to save him. He was so good with their powers that their only real option was to somehow manage to knock him unconscious and force-feed him the power stripping potion. But considering that he was so good with their powers and that he was hell-bent on killing people, it certainly made the task more difficult. I think they truly tried their best. And I truly don't think the second set would've done any better. I think THAT Piper (so very unlike S2 Piper) would've gotten annoyed with him and exploded him, then explain that he had turned into a demon and needed to be destroyed before he destroyed them. And she would've had absolutely no regrets in doing so. Look at her rationalization for murdering the Jenkinses - we gotta kill them before they kill us! And people wonder why I count S4-8 as an alternate-universe spin-off where only the NAMES of the characters are the same. Unlike the first set of sisters where killing him was their last resort, murdering the Jenkinses was the second set's first choice. In both cases, they should've had Piper freeze him/them, then bind his/their powers the way they bound the powers of Paige's past life, the Enchantress. That's the way to handle mortals with powers they couldn't control. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Mar 7, 2018 9:04:50 GMT -5
Don’t know why prue couldn’t move the blade away with her powers after piper froze it before he sent the second one Because as soon as he unfroze, he would've used his power to move the blade back towards the sisters. |
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Post by cyma on Mar 7, 2018 9:15:48 GMT -5
That's a good point about the powers that Dr. Williamson would have if Paige were involved. The more powerful the sisters, the more powerful he is too. It ends up not mattering much about the powers, because they're matched either way. I think they tried everything they could to save him. He was so good with their powers that their only real option was to somehow manage to knock him unconscious and force-feed him the power stripping potion. But considering that he was so good with their powers and that he was hell-bent on killing people, it certainly made the task more difficult. I think they truly tried their best. I think a sleeping potion would've done the trick if the good doctor did not tk it back at the sisters. Having Paige's whitelighter powers would make him immune to darklighter poison. But again what's to stop him from orbing a poison arrow straight at Paige? What the good doctor doesn't have is the Power of Three and Charmed status. So why didn't the sisters just create and recite a PO3 spell to pull those powers out? They're supposed to be the world's most powerful witches. The show never gave a satisfying explanation why they didn't just use Power of Three all the time to kill demons instead of spending time researching, planning putting themselves in danger. |
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Post by fallingsnow6136 on Mar 7, 2018 18:00:07 GMT -5
Exactly cyma!! I love your point. Ok their individual powers of weak, but they did have the Power of Three. Also Es, Piper would have never done that before S8. S8 is the only season that is the true alternate spinoff to the series. I do know if this scene happened in say like S5, they would have managed to save him. S5 Piper is my ultimate favorite.
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Post by Elle Em on Mar 7, 2018 18:49:44 GMT -5
Yeah, the Power of Three thing is a good point. They could have written a spell to do just about anything to get the powers out of him while not hurting him. They were relying on telekinesis, freezing, and a potion they couldn't get in him, and completely ignoring spell casting.
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Post by Ruth Marie on Mar 7, 2018 18:59:47 GMT -5
It's interesting that they didn't think of The Power of Three, but most demons on the show were vanquished with a potion or Piper just blasted them so often. Another part of why I'm not fond of Piper's exploding power, it took away from the benefit of a power of three spell and felt like the power of one.
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Post by gzv969 on Mar 7, 2018 23:50:03 GMT -5
 Phoebe was just giving piper a hard time 😊 |
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Post by fallingsnow6136 on Mar 8, 2018 5:57:33 GMT -5
Haha that was funny. I LOVE Piper's freezing power. I like it more than her blowing up one and I wish Phoebe had become an empath earlier on...might have saved her a whole lot of heartbreak from when Cole was the source.
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Post by codebox on Sept 15, 2019 18:26:41 GMT -5
Paige would've been the only sister concerned with saving him. She basically would've been the Piper of this episode. Piper would've just tried blowing things up to solve the situation or care too much that Leo isn't babysitting the twice blessed brat and Phoebe would've been too busy with her advice column or dates to be concerned. It would pretty much be a repeat of Soul Survivor in Season 6 basically.
I think Astral Monkey is stronger because it works from the perspective of the sisters trying to save a corrupt person from himself, with Piper's perspective being the most emphasized in her dedication considering he did help save her from the Ooroya Fever. Plus it would've been weird to see Dr Williamson with Paige's orbing powers.
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Post by ljones on Sept 16, 2019 16:25:58 GMT -5
Piper had started this mess by breaking Federal law and purchasing South American fruit that had not been inspected, in the first place.
Why would Paige go out of her way to help a guy who had deliberately made a deal to a demon in the first place? Why do humans get away with this on the show in the first place? Why should they?
Perhaps because they Power of Three might not always work.
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Post by wyatt23 on Apr 18, 2023 6:34:19 GMT -5
I think that they could of saved him. If we're going off other shows, similar to the vampire diares, if the blood is in your system, you can wait it out, trap him in the basement or smthing. Then just use Leo's memory wiping stuff on Dr. W, to have him forget the Halliwells magic and Aurora Fever?
Let me know what yall think, could this off happened?
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Post by Esmeralda on Apr 18, 2023 23:17:55 GMT -5
This whole topic is making me wonder what a virtual series would be like if you did it one out of two ways.
The first way would have Piper, Phoebe and Paige as the ORIGINAL Charmed Ones with Paige dying in AHBL and Piper and Phoebe find they have an older sister - Prue - but otherwise, everything stays the same, with us getting to see how Paige would react to what Prue faced and how Prue would react to what Prue faced - and also how Piper and Phoebe would originally react as the Oldest and Middle and then having to be the Middle and the Baby.
The second version would keep Prue, Piper and Phoebe as the original Charmed Ones, but they'd face what the second set faced while Piper, Phoebe and Paige would face what the first set would.
Which version do you think would work better?
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Post by West on Apr 19, 2023 0:28:18 GMT -5
This whole topic is making me wonder what a virtual series would be like if you did it one out of two ways. The first way would have Piper, Phoebe and Paige as the ORIGINAL Charmed Ones with Paige dying in AHBL and Piper and Phoebe find they have an older sister - Prue - but otherwise, everything stays the same, with us getting to see how Paige would react to what Prue faced and how Prue would react to what Prue faced - and also how Piper and Phoebe would originally react as the Oldest and Middle and then having to be the Middle and the Baby. The second version would keep Prue, Piper and Phoebe as the original Charmed Ones, but they'd face what the second set faced while Piper, Phoebe and Paige would face what the first set would. Which version do you think would work better? First version would be a completely different show. Piper being the oldest growing up. She and Prue would have a much different dynamic and butt heads. Prue being the only child would like to boss them around as leader and or not know how to handle having two younger sisters. Piper with her personality more S4-S8 being the oldest and Phoebe the middle growing up having to adjust to an older sister. Also Prue may be different without her experience growing up raising her two sisters after Patty died. She'd likely already be a successful photographer following her dreams or running Bucklands as she'd be 30 when her half sistets find Prue aftet Paige dies. I see her much more driven without having younger sisters to worry about growing up. Patty's death wouldn't have the same impact on her if she never knew her birth mother but the death of her adopted parents would effect her like it did Paige. But what's interesting is seeing how Piper reacts and copes with Patty's death as the oldest in this set up. Paige would be the Phoebe with no memories of Patty and Phoebe the Piper with some. Again. I feel it'll be way different experience with Piper, Phoebe and Paige as the first set from the start. Spent quite a while thinking of version 1. Have yo come back to version 2 with the original set. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Apr 19, 2023 1:03:10 GMT -5
This whole topic is making me wonder what a virtual series would be like if you did it one out of two ways. The first way would have Piper, Phoebe and Paige as the ORIGINAL Charmed Ones with Paige dying in AHBL and Piper and Phoebe finding they have an older sister - Prue - but otherwise, everything stays the same, with us getting to see how Paige would react to what Prue faced and how Prue would react to what Paige faced - and also how Piper and Phoebe would originally react as the Oldest and Middle and then having to be the Middle and the Baby. The second version would keep Prue, Piper and Phoebe as the original Charmed Ones, but they'd face what the second set faced while Piper, Phoebe and Paige would face what the first set did. Which version do you think would work better? First version would be a completely different show. Piper being the oldest growing up. She and Prue would have a much different dynamic and butt heads. Prue being the only child would like to boss them around as leader and or not know how to handle having two younger sisters. Piper with her personality more S4-S8 being the oldest and Phoebe the middle growing up having to adjust to an older sister. Also Prue may be different without her experience growing up raising her two sisters after Patty died. She'd likely already be a successful photographer following her dreams or running Bucklands as she'd be 30 when her half sistets find Prue aftet Paige dies. I see her much more driven without having younger sisters to worry about growing up. Patty's death wouldn't have the same impact on her if she never knew her birth mother but the death of her adopted parents would effect her like it did Paige. But what's interesting is seeing how Piper reacts and copes with Patty's death as the oldest in this set up. Paige would be the Phoebe with no memories of Patty and Phoebe the Piper with some. Again. I feel it'll be way different experience with Piper, Phoebe and Paige as the first set from the start. Spent quite a while thinking of version 1. Have yo come back to version 2 with the original set. Very good job figuring out what you'd have to do to write Version 1. I look forward to seeing what you'd do with Version 2 and which one you think would work better. |
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Post by Elle Em on Apr 19, 2023 7:01:29 GMT -5
The more recent replies here are making me think more and more about their powers and the differences (or not) they made to this situation. I may be overreaching here, but it seems to me that particularly Piper's explosive power not only makes solving problems overly simplistic, as many people have said before, but also takes a bit of the thought out of situations as far as making the choice to do the right thing.
When they were facing Dr. Williamson, if Piper had her exploding power, she could have blown the piece of metal to tiny, harmless pieces. It could be argued that she did that to save herself and her sisters, but also Dr. Williamson. But it could also just be a simple way to solve a problem that takes all the emotion out of the situation.
With just her freezing power, nothing in his situation gets solved. It buys them time to think of what to do next, but it doesn't make the choice for them. Their original powers were strong, but not so decisive that they could turn their emotions off when using them.
So as far as what set of sisters or what kinds of powers they'd have in this situation, I'd pick the least powerful of all, and I wouldn't let any of them hide behind their magical abilities. Season 2 Piper was a wreck over the doctor's death, and I think the version of Piper with the ability to explode wouldn't have been, at least not to the same extent.
But this is just what I'm seeing, and others could argue that the same emotions would still exist regardless of their abilities.
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