Astral Monkey - Paige instead of Prue

[fallingsnow6136]

What if Astral Monkey happened after Prue was dead?

I personally feel Paige would agree to try and save Dr. Williamson and they would have found a way to extract the powers somehow. I know people here like Prue but her actions in this episode were just cruel. I agree with Piper - they're not supposed to punish the guilty. I feel Paige being half-whitelighter and Piper wanting to save him would help balance out Phoebe's indecision on what to do.

[Hexenwerk]

I don't think it was a matter of Prue punishing the guilty, I think it was more a case of her weighing the danger of Dr. Williamson continuing his rampage and being aware that the chances of stopping him and saving him would be slim. They offered him help and he refused; sure, he wasn't necessarily in his right mind, but that combined with his powers and actions made it super risky to handle him with care, particularly with how close he came to killing them. I do like to think, though, that Paige would have been more gungho about saving him and that maybe she could've found a way with Piper and Phoebe, and the idea that she could've swayed the indecisive Phoebe is an intriguing one.

[Esmeralda]

If it was the second set, Piper would've just exploded the blade.

Paige might have *wanted* to cure the doctor, but once he had that blood, there was no way he could be and where they were at, it was him or them. Prue made the wrong choice between herself and a different doctor in 'All Hell Breaks Loose' and we see where it got her. I think she made the horribly hard but correct choice here.

[gzv969]

I don’t think prues actions were cruel. She didn’t intentionally want it to hit dr Williamson when she told piper to let go. It was an accident. I’m sure the outcome may have been different if the spinning metals bounced somewhere else. She may have just flung Dr Williamson harder and faster against the wall. And maybe tried to knock him out and figure out what to do with him. Like make another potion and force it down his throat. Who knows

And in the prior dialog with phoebe and piper before they left the manor, prue just wanted everyone to be clear about what would probably have to happen if dr Williamson came at them and tried to kill them using their powers. And piper wasn’t too thrilled about it.

But on the other hand, It’s interesting that we are discussing this. I always thought the same about prues reaction to dr Williamson’s situation vs to Tom’s in “Wrestling with Demons”. Both were innocents becoming evil but prue wasn’t wanting to hear about tom being vanquished. I was surprised piper didn’t take serious issues with her and bring up dr Williamson in that episode like phoebe brought up cole.

[Granny Charmed]

I think Prue made a very cruel and horrible choice dears. But It was him or them, and she made the horrible hard choice, and she didn't want to intentionally hit him.

I was surprised Piper didn't take this more personally with Tom in S3.

[fallingsnow6136]

Piper was close to Dr. Williamson...but yeah she might have blown up the blades and Paige would have orbed them away.

I dunno...they managed to get that demon in How to make a Quilt to drink the power stripping potion so I feel they could have found way, sedated him temporarily to give him the potion. Him dying just felt unnecessary and wrong. And even worse when you consider Tom

[Sasha]

Now had this situation happened with Paige, I can easily see Piper blowing the blade and orbing them away. I guess they could also have saved him.

This thread now reminded me of some horrible decisions the sisters also made in S6. Like Rick being set up to be murdered or soul raping Darryl, taking his soul without his permission just to save Leo. I found these two situations cruel and maybe worse.

[fallingsnow6136]

Yeah but S6 was a trainwreck anyway. The only thing that saved it was an Elder creating hell when he's supposed to be the Greater Good. S6-S8 sucked mostly even if they did have some good episodes. Which sucks because S6 had so much potential...has anyone considered rewriting? Other than me, whose revising S2-S7. I might scratch off 8 altogether.

[Sasha]

Mar 6, 2018 20:11:41 GMT -5 fallingsnow6136 said:

Yeah but S6 was a trainwreck anyway. The only thing that saved it was an Elder creating hell when he's supposed to be the Greater Good. S6-S8 sucked mostly even if they did have some good episodes. Which sucks because S6 had so much potential...has anyone considered rewriting? Other than me, whose revising S2-S7. I might scratch off 8 altogether.

Exactly! S6 was a real trainwreck and the worst in the series because it did have potential but just needed better writing. 

I'd love to see someone rewrite it.   

Yeah, if you don't feel like going through 8. I know many were happy if it ended at 7, the same way some wished it was at 3 or 4.

[fallingsnow6136]

I just felt Something Wicca This Way Goes was a pretty decent finale. I don't hate Forever Charmed but what it took to reach to there is the problem.

Well, I'm rewriting seasons 2-7 with Phoebe/Dan as endgame couple most probably but Phoebe/Cole will still have the toxic relationship and their child will actually survive. I'm actually thinking of having Wyatt being his righthand man and Chris comes back to save his cousin and brother.

[Sasha]

Mar 6, 2018 20:28:02 GMT -5 fallingsnow6136 said:

I just felt Something Wicca This Way Goes was a pretty decent finale. I don't hate Forever Charmed but what it took to reach to there is the problem.

Well, I'm rewriting seasons 2-7 with Phoebe/Dan as endgame couple most probably but Phoebe/Cole will still have the toxic relationship and their child will actually survive. I'm actually thinking of having Wyatt being his righthand man and Chris comes back to save his cousin and brother.

I prefer SWTWG over FC or should I say Forever Boredom. SWTWG kept me on the edge of my seat. It was filled with excitement, and we had my favorite big bad Zankou involved. FC was all downhill after a pretty epic second last episode.

Honestly, the whole hour didn't really do anything, just gave them all a happy ending, and did a cheap way of closing the Billie/Christy storyline. I was bored.

But a couple of scenes were alright in the finale.

But it wasn't as good as SWTWG. It felt like the excitement died when the manor was blown up, and then it didn't leave much excitement when you know nobody is going to die but come back to life anyway.


That sounds pretty cool what you have planned. I wish you well with your rewrite. 

[fallingsnow6136]

I liked it too. Zankou was awesome actually. Maybe have that be the final battle and still have the others married after the battle is over and they survived. The Cleaners could take care of any exposure.

Thank you

[Sasha]

Mar 6, 2018 20:37:59 GMT -5 fallingsnow6136 said:

I liked it too. Zankou was awesome actually. Maybe have that be the final battle and still have the others married after the battle is over and they survived. The Cleaners could take care of any exposure.

Thank you

He was a very convincing big bad. He should have just been The Source. 

It would be pretty shocking if they actually had the whole manor destroyed and not the basement with the sisters leaving behind the burnt to the ground manor. But that might be a really sad ending. 

[fallingsnow6136]

Minus the explosion to be honest I mean they survived in the S7 finale.

[gzv969]

Don’t know why prue couldn’t move the blade away with her powers after piper froze it before he sent the second one

[Sasha]

Maybe the writers didn't think this one through properly. Wrote what made the most dramatic ending for the episode. Probably didn't think of the realistic ways he could be saved.

I guess they didn't have time to think properly at that moment and made a quick decision.

I guess even if they did manage to move the blade away, they were worried about the later. They still needed to make the potion again, and unless Leo orbed right him and took him somewhere safe, or they sedated him temporarily. They ran out of options. They acted on gut instincts and thinking at that moment.

[fallingsnow6136]

I still believe he would have survived had Piper been the leader and Paige being half-whitelighter...poor Dr. Williamson. I cried at his death even if he was minor.

[cyma]

Mar 6, 2018 4:18:42 GMT -5 fallingsnow6136 said:

What if Astral Monkey happened after Prue was dead?

I personally feel Paige would agree to try and save Dr. Williamson and they would have found a way to extract the powers somehow.

Yeah definitely seeing how much trouble she went through to help a guy who sold his soul to a demonic soul collector and was destined for hell despite the protests of Piper and Phoebe. Also with orbing, it was easier for Paige to just orb the potion inside Williamson's mouth. She did the same to Barbas to strip the powers he acquired from Cole.

Although with Paige's orbing powers and Piper's explosive powers, Williamson could've ended up hurting a lot more people. He wouldn't even have to perform surgery to get heart or kidney. Just orb it out He would definitely be more dangerous if he got the advanced powers of the sisters and not so easy to defeat. Even if Paige got the potion inside him, what if he just orbed it out?

[Elle Em]

That's a good point about the powers that Dr. Williamson would have if Paige were involved. The more powerful the sisters, the more powerful he is too. It ends up not mattering much about the powers, because they're matched either way.

I think they tried everything they could to save him. He was so good with their powers that their only real option was to somehow manage to knock him unconscious and force-feed him the power stripping potion. But considering that he was so good with their powers and that he was hell-bent on killing people, it certainly made the task more difficult. I think they truly tried their best.

[Granny Charmed]

That's true dears. We didn't take into consideration all the additional powers. But then they run risk of him orbing away while trying to help or stop him too. Empath and Levitation too.