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Post by fallingsnow6136 on Mar 11, 2018 23:36:51 GMT -5
Okay so maybe it's cause Paige is my favorite but I loved this vulnerable side to Paige in this and felt it should have stayed or at least been explored more to develop the bond between Paige, Piper and Phoebe because this shows that Paige tries to keep a tough girl act but much like Prue (maybe more so cause she was abandoned) has a vulnerable side to her. I know Paige isn't wildly popular on this forum so I might be sounding a little silly but did anyone else feel touched by this show of vulnerability and feel it was just left abandoned by the writers? Maybe I'm overthinking it.
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Mar 12, 2018 3:53:52 GMT -5
I did. Showed she was human. Would've been nice if they delved in to it more and remembered she was an ex alcoholic and not just show that in one episode perhaps having Paige relapse sometime again for whatever reason she did.
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Post by fallingsnow6136 on Mar 12, 2018 4:51:15 GMT -5
I could have seen it happening after Kyle became a whitelighter or after Glen married Jessica. I might explore it in my Paige-centred story but I liked that and I was hoping she'd be reserved with her sisters and they...especially Phoebe would help her open up.
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Post by cyma on Mar 12, 2018 6:53:40 GMT -5
The times I remember vulnerable Paige was shown besides the one you mentioned:
1) narrating how her parents died to her sisters(season 4)
2) being snapped out of Avatar's brainwashing by being made to confront the reality of Kyle's death and murder(season 7)
3) Talking to Ava about her mother's death still affected her(Season 5)
4) when she tells Henry she's a witch and then expected to be rejected by him(season 8)
5) when Leo is about to be taken away by Angel of Destiny and later on seeking comfort in Henry (season 8)
6) when Piper bought muffins to Paige and when Mr. Cowan asks who Piper is(season 4)
7) Getting deeply bothered and hurt when she sees the family tree doesn't have her name. And Leo casually says the like even the baby is not there (season 5)
8) Seeing Patty being summoned for the first time in Charmed Again.(season 4)
9) ofcourse standing there on the foyer all uncertain before Phoebe drags her in and reconstituted the Charmed Ones (season 4)
10) The last scene in Long Live the Queen. Paige doesn't seem like the person who normally initiates touchy feely hugs or whatever. But she makes an exception because Phoebe is in so much pain (season 4)
11) Witch Way Now when she looks deeply hurt...and even scared that both Piper and Phoebe are about to give up their powers to the Angel of Destiny. "Without magic I wouldn't have sisters," are her words.(season 4)
12) When she stalls Piper who's the Angel of Death and is about to take her to the afterlife.(season 7)
13) When Phoebe is literally beating Paige to death thanks to Barbas. Poor Paige not even fighting back pleads back she's her sister.(season 5)
14) Paige's heartbroken expression when Piper tells her off for exposing magic to Glenn(season 4)
15) The whole Fifth Halliwell episode?(season 4)
Only in season 4 did it seem like writers were using this vulnerability to strengthen the bond between sisters. But after that, it's just put there randomly or related to Paige's romantic development with guys like Kyle, Henry, Glenn, Nate and Richard.
And even if it is related to the sisters, bad writing always follows.
In Styx Feet Under, Piper refused to take souls to the afterlife because Phoebe's name was on the list. Paige is dead and she's suddenly all up okay to take Paige to the afterlife??!
Also Leo and Phoebe left Paige's dead body in the alley! Can you imagine them doing the same thing to Piper? Piper's body lay all comfy in the morgue.
It should've been written better. The afterlife scene between Piper and Paige should've been expanded.
In Sam I Am, Paige is dying from darklighter poisoning and lay vulnerable. Instead of immeditely healing Paige by switching powers with Leo or Piper channeling her baby's powers to heal, both Piper and Phoebe let Paige suffer to the point of death while Piper finds Sam? So 'he' could heal Paige???
Piper's speech defending Paige and listing Paige's bravery to Sam was awesome and all. But it would've been more meaningful had the writers made her heal Paige instead of finding her absentee father to do the job.
But yes I indeed wished for more vulnerable and extremely well written deep meaningful moments between Paige and her sisters after season 4.
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Post by fallingsnow6136 on Mar 12, 2018 7:06:37 GMT -5
I don't mind S7 but that episode is a weird one. Styx Feet Under I mean. Also they couldn't switch powers with Leo. Leo was hurt too and I don't think Piper could use the baby's magic either. Other seasons I'm not sure but S5 I felt had the closest bond between the sisters and in Sam I am, Paige and Leo were both shot by the Darklighter. Phoebe and Piper were close to tears when Phoebe killed Paige almost thinking she was Barbas. I meant more about vulnerability on Paige being abandoned and then adopted and then losing her parents.
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Post by cyma on Mar 12, 2018 9:58:58 GMT -5
Also they couldn't switch powers with Leo. Leo was hurt too and I don't think Piper could use the baby's magic either. Other seasons I'm not sure but S5 I felt had the closest bond between the sisters and in Sam I am, Paige and Leo were both shot by the Darklighter. Piper practically resurrected Grams in Happily Ever After episode using the baby's powers. But since she tapped into her unborn child's powers by accident, I could accept Piper not being able to use the baby's powers to heal Paige. Oh but Leo and Paige being shot by a darklighter? And neither Piper and Phoebe making attempts to switch powers with them in order to heal them?  Unless Piper and Phoebe got a serious case of amnesia. Which they didn't.... 'Love Hurts' episode of season 1 was literally dedicated to Piper switching powers with an injured dying Leo shot by a darklighter. And after many attempts, finally triggering the power to heal. In season 4, Charmed & Dangerous, Leo was again shot by a darklighter sent by the Source. Piper and Paige couldn't switch powers with him because their powers were absorbed by the Hollow. But Piper does desperately suggest to Leo to switch powers with Phoebe. He refuses:  How could both Piper and Phoebe forget both of these HUGE important moments of their lives? They both revisit the season 1 moment again in the 'Cat House' episode of season 5. Which takes place after Sam I Am! And Paige is also there to witness young Piper healing young Leo! So just wow.... It's mistakes like these which make me want to bang my head against a wall repeatedly. It's crystal clear the writers didn't bother to properly give the earlier seasons a watch before they began writing. It's as if they thought we fans would be dumb or something and never notice these huge screw-ups  Ah gotcha. Sand Franciso Dreamin with Slappy the clown episode comes to mind. Unfortunately again she shared her vulnerable moments with Leo and not Piper and Phoebe. But there were definitely abandonment issues happening there behind trying to plan the best baby shower. There was also that moment where she's talking to her Uncle Dave on the phone asking about how her Aunt is in Charmed Again. It's too bad we never ever heard of Uncle Dave and Aunt Julie after that. |
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Post by cyma on Mar 12, 2018 13:20:33 GMT -5
I could have seen it happening after Kyle became a whitelighter or after Glen married Jessica. I might explore it in my Paige-centred story but I liked that and I was hoping she'd be reserved with her sisters and they...especially Phoebe would help her open up. I expected Paige to relapse at the end of Fifth Halliwell. She had been basically shunned by her new sisters for disliking Cole and abandoned. Add that to the emotional torture Cole/Source put her through and the demonic powers inside her earlier, it could've given her a push to begin drinking again. And continue to do so to cope with her job, Phoebe abandoning them for being Queen of the Underworld and the very possibility of Piper and Phoebe giving up their powers to the Angel of Destiny. But the drinking would become a problem later in season 5. Everything may have returned to normal, there’s not much to stress over. Unfortunately, Paige can’t let go of her drinking habit. Barbas episode could've been when Piper and Phoebe finally find out about Paige. Through Barbas of course. And help her through it. If the Jessica marrying Glenn happened before the Barbas episode, then that would fit in nicely with Paige relapse story which had been building up since season 4. Alternatively, Zankuo(who wanted to weaken the sisters' confidence so he could get the Book) could hire a darklighter who pushes people over the edge and use him to get Paige to relapse. Darklighter could use Kyle's death and the recent death of her charge Joanna. |
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Post by Elle Em on Mar 12, 2018 13:20:40 GMT -5
Paige's past alcoholism could have been used in so many ways. She could have reverted back to it as a coping mechanism for the emotional roller coaster of finding out that not only did she have sisters, and one of them is recently dead, but that magic is real and she's a major part of it. Or the idea that she had for a while of wanting to go traveling with Glen and be a carefree young adult, but was tied to her responsibilities. Or any number of things.
They also could have made her want nothing to do with her sisters and magic for longer than the 30 minutes they did in the show. Perhaps Paige refuses to speak to them for weeks, and then only a little. They could have taken months of episodes to show her warming slightly to them before accepting them as her family. Then the latter half of season 4 could be what the first half originally was, pushing everything from the latter half of season 4 into the whole of season 5.
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Mar 12, 2018 14:29:58 GMT -5
I agree with cyma here in terms of Piper healing Paige after she and Leo had been shoot which when watching the episode I screamed out why she didn't she do it?
If they went with Sam having to heal her then there should've been a reason why say if transferring powers Piper or Phoebe would've transferred the poison to but then that had to have been introduced season 1's Love Hurts which it wasn't.
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Post by fallingsnow6136 on Mar 12, 2018 19:05:59 GMT -5
I think also in Sam I Am, they wanted to explore the father-son relationship...but I don't like Sam and Paige's relationship. He doesn't seem to love her as much as her sisters do.
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Post by cyma on Mar 13, 2018 1:27:35 GMT -5
I agree with cyma here in terms of Piper healing Paige after she and Leo had been shoot which when watching the episode I screamed out why she didn't she do it? If they went with Sam having to heal her then there should've been a reason why say if transferring powers Piper or Phoebe would've transferred the poison to but then that had to have been introduced season 1's Love Hurts which it wasn't. So I had like an Oh my God moment: Immune! Cole made the darklighter immune to the sisters' powers. Therefore it stands to reason the darklighter arrow soaked with the poison, would also be immune to the sisters magic. By magic I mean not just Piper's explosion power and Paige's tk orbing, but any kind of vanquishing potions and spell casting as well. The power switching spell wouldn't work on Paige and Leo! It took me like 16 years! 16 years to finally see this! And seeing that no fan, not even the later seasons ever pointed this out, I'm assuming they never knew as well? Ugh! Charmed writers! Or was it the editors? Was there a scene they cut out showing Piper or Phoebe trying to switch powers failing and then mentioning Cole made the darklighter immune so their magic was useless? But Sam's wasn't! Wow. This is what I meant what I said in the other thread. Two conflicting ideas(Piper or Phoebe should've healed Paige vs. no they couldn't heal them) results in something completely new! This is like a totally mind-blowing discovery for me. Piper and Phoebe don't seem so careless with Paige after all now when it seemed like when they weren't making a move to switch powers and heal. I know Paige isn't wildly popular on this forum so I might be sounding a little silly but did anyone else feel touched by this show of vulnerability and feel it was just left abandoned by the writers? Maybe I'm overthinking it. Whatever the hell you come up with no matter how small no matter how silly you think it is, you post like a crazy person, alright? Also if you already knew about the Cole darklighter immunity thing then don't be afraid to disagree with me and explain why you feel my point of view was wrong. Having mind-blowing mind-shifting discoveries such as this one is one of the many reasons which make me come to the forum. So like blow my mind wide open  |
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Post by fallingsnow6136 on Mar 13, 2018 1:47:58 GMT -5
Thank you for being so understanding cyma. Glad we can have a healthy discussion.
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