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Post by sky1 on Apr 19, 2018 9:56:32 GMT -5
What is the most horrible spell/l the sister cast on innocents when they were not under influence/possessed etc etc by evil?
For me. It would be Piper when she made the golden Gate Bridge to disappear. Killing innocents and probably even children, just so she can save her son. Which is also her fault as she could have prevented Wyatt from summoning dragon. By binding his powers etc etc!
What are your choices/thoughts?
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Post by Esmeralda on Apr 20, 2018 3:54:36 GMT -5
For me, it had to be when they joined the Avatars and took away everyone's free will just so they could have their own little utopia - especially when the only reason they took it off was remembering their own losses. It's when I lost the itty, bitty little bit of respect I had left for the Charmed Ones.
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Post by sky1 on Apr 20, 2018 10:14:37 GMT -5
For me, it had to be when they joined the Avatars and took away everyone's free will just so they could have their own little utopia - especially when the only reason they took it off was remembering their own losses. It's when I lost the itty, bitty little bit of respect I had left for the Charmed Ones. Yes that one to. And they only reverted it back so they can save Leo iirc. Even with season 3 and 4. Sisters were still somewhat protesters of innocents. While at later point, it was all about them. And the world can go to hell for all they cared. Another one is when Phoebe and Paige used spell to give Rick Chris's face. So the demons can kill him instead of Chris. Also not a spell, but a potion used on Darryl to steal his souls. It's even more horrible. Because he was supposed to be one of the closest friends of their, even family. Looking at the seasons. It feels like the sisters were new characters, who were played by same actresses! |
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Post by Esmeralda on Apr 20, 2018 14:04:24 GMT -5
For me, it had to be when they joined the Avatars and took away everyone's free will just so they could have their own little utopia - especially when the only reason they took it off was remembering their own losses. It's when I lost the itty, bitty little bit of respect I had left for the Charmed Ones. Yes that one to. And they only reverted it back so they can save Leo iirc. Even with season 3 and 4. Sisters were still somewhat protesters of innocents. While at later point, it was all about them. And the world can go to hell for all they cared. Another one is when Phoebe and Paige used spell to give Rick Chris's face. So the demons can kill him instead of Chris. Also not a spell, but a potion used on Darryl to steal his souls. It's even more horrible. Because he was supposed to be one of the closest friends of their, even family. Looking at the seasons. It feels like the sisters were new characters, who were played by same actresses! Part of why I think the latter seasons are an alternate-universe spin-off where only the names are the same. My explanation - the first few seasons, the sisters were based on Connie and her sisters. The last few were based on Holly and Alyssa... |
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Post by sky1 on Apr 20, 2018 14:24:36 GMT -5
Yes that one to. And they only reverted it back so they can save Leo iirc. Even with season 3 and 4. Sisters were still somewhat protesters of innocents. While at later point, it was all about them. And the world can go to hell for all they cared. Another one is when Phoebe and Paige used spell to give Rick Chris's face. So the demons can kill him instead of Chris. Also not a spell, but a potion used on Darryl to steal his souls. It's even more horrible. Because he was supposed to be one of the closest friends of their, even family. Looking at the seasons. It feels like the sisters were new characters, who were played by same actresses! Part of why I think the latter seasons are an alternate-universe spin-off where only the names are the same. My explanation - the first few seasons, the sisters were based on Connie and her sisters. The last few were based on Holly and Alyssa... I know Alyssa and Holly became producers in S5. But did they really have that much influence on the script? |
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Post by w1llow on Apr 20, 2018 16:42:59 GMT -5
Well I thought they vetoed the love triangle story line that had been planned for season 5. Says on Charmed Wiki that Rose and Julian were against it, but I'm almost certain Brad said it was Holly and Alyssa.
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Post by Sadrick on Apr 20, 2018 17:00:31 GMT -5
I don't know, the sisters came up just a few syllables short of murdering over 6 billion people back in Season 2 just to save their precious older sister. Prue meant everything to them, but I can't imagine what sort of rationality they were using to justify such as an egregiously self-centred notion in their minds. Leo was right, they were thinking like human sisters and not as the Charmed Ones. Oh, but at the same time if they don't get Prue back then the Power of Three becomes effectively defunct; the sisters rendered unable to do their job. I feel like it was one of those moments where the lines might have gotten blurred, however little, because they would need to be making a sacrifice no matter what. Of course, playing detective with the baddies of the other side while flirting over the ethical tenuity of their positions was already doing that, you could say.
It's because of these situations that I feel it's unjust to make the conclusion that the sisters aren't capable of acting like murders and ethical fornicators. Difference is, they're too caught up in their own self-pity and hypocrisy to recognise the kind of creatures that they really are.
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Post by Esmeralda on Apr 20, 2018 19:26:36 GMT -5
Part of why I think the latter seasons are an alternate-universe spin-off where only the names are the same. My explanation - the first few seasons, the sisters were based on Connie and her sisters. The last few were based on Holly and Alyssa... I know Alyssa and Holly became producers in S5. But did they really have that much influence on the script? I've been looking for the post and can't find it where there was a tweet from Holly who was saying that Kern had very little to do with the scripts in the latter years - that she and Alyssa always had to fix them... |
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Post by prudencehalliwell on Apr 20, 2018 19:33:58 GMT -5
I know Alyssa and Holly became producers in S5. But did they really have that much influence on the script? I've been looking for the post and can't find it where there was a tweet from Holly who was saying that Kern had very little to do with the scripts in the latter years - that she and Alyssa always had to fix them... I remember this Es and some stuff in a news article. They were talking about how he never had a script in his hand whenever they called his office, he was either out or didn't have a script handy. Most likely couldn't have cared less. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Apr 20, 2018 19:42:35 GMT -5
I don't know, the sisters came up just a few syllables short of murdering over 6 billion people back in Season 2 just to save their precious older sister. Prue meant everything to them, but I can't imagine what sort of rationality they were using to justify such as an egregiously self-centred notion in their minds. Leo was right, they were thinking like human sisters and not as the Charmed Ones. Oh, but at the same time if they don't get Prue back then the Power of Three becomes effectively defunct; the sisters rendered unable to do their job. I feel like it was one of those moments where the lines might have gotten blurred, however little, because they would need to be making a sacrifice no matter what. Of course, playing detective with the baddies of the other side while flirting over the ethical tenuity of their positions was already doing that, you could say. It's because of these situations that I feel it's unjust to make the conclusion that the sisters aren't capable of acting like murders and ethical fornicators. Difference is, they're too caught up in their own self-pity and hypocrisy to recognise the kind of creatures that they really are. But for Season Two, that's the point - they had it pointed out to them about what they were doing and they WERE willing to give up Prue in order to save the world: Now please tell me if you think for even one second that if the second set of sisters were faced with the same problem, and Phoebe had the same premonition that they would've end up making the same decision... Had they sacrificed one of them to stop Zankou I'd agree, but they always knew they weren't going to die because they were sending their astral projections. THAT'S the difference and why I think it's an alternate-universe spin-off based on Holly and Alyssa, not Connie and her two sisters. I hope the reboot is better. |
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Post by prudencehalliwell on Apr 20, 2018 19:49:24 GMT -5
The second set of sisters would never consider this. No WAY!!! What a great episode, and If Prue had died in an episode like this for good, I'd say this would be very sad but better at the same time.
If one sister had sacrificed themselves in the final episode to stop somebody, I'd be proud. But I don't think the second set would.
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Post by sky1 on Apr 21, 2018 11:08:30 GMT -5
It's strange then. That they complained how they were getting dressed in "reveling" (costumes) clothes. If they were in charge. Why blame something that you have control over?
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Apr 21, 2018 12:29:26 GMT -5
Although not a spell but a potion when Phoebe turned Spencer Ricks into a turkey twice just because she hated him which completely went against what she said in 'Morality Bites' that you shouldn't punish the guilty even if their creeps.
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Post by Sadrick on Apr 23, 2018 19:16:44 GMT -5
I don't know, the sisters came up just a few syllables short of murdering over 6 billion people back in Season 2 just to save their precious older sister. Prue meant everything to them, but I can't imagine what sort of rationality they were using to justify such as an egregiously self-centred notion in their minds. Leo was right, they were thinking like human sisters and not as the Charmed Ones. Oh, but at the same time if they don't get Prue back then the Power of Three becomes effectively defunct; the sisters rendered unable to do their job. I feel like it was one of those moments where the lines might have gotten blurred, however little, because they would need to be making a sacrifice no matter what. Of course, playing detective with the baddies of the other side while flirting over the ethical tenuity of their positions was already doing that, you could say. It's because of these situations that I feel it's unjust to make the conclusion that the sisters aren't capable of acting like murders and ethical fornicators. Difference is, they're too caught up in their own self-pity and hypocrisy to recognise the kind of creatures that they really are. But for Season Two, that's the point - they had it pointed out to them about what they were doing and they WERE willing to give up Prue in order to save the world: Now please tell me if you think for even one second that if the second set of sisters were faced with the same problem, and Phoebe had the same premonition that they would've end up making the same decision... Had they sacrificed one of them to stop Zankou I'd agree, but they always knew they weren't going to die because they were sending their astral projections. THAT'S the difference and why I think it's an alternate-universe spin-off based on Holly and Alyssa, not Connie and her two sisters. I hope the reboot is better. See, I prefer having both sides to the situation brought forth. Allowing Prue to die so that the apocalypse is averted seems like an open & shut case, but what they weren't taking into account is the fact that the "sibling" in question had the codes to the nuclear football, so to speak. Without that guarantee of retaliation/protection, lives would be lost. Humanity wouldn't be doomed to extinction, but there would still be sacrifices inadvertently made on the home front through the PO3 not being around to kill monsters and rescue innocents. The existence of a backup sister wasn't known at that time so as far as they all knew, Prue's death meant the irrevocable end to the best line of defence that humanity has against the supernatural. I think with a crew that knew how to write more thoroughly with respect to all of the nuances of the characters and universe they're focused on, this issue would have probably come to light during the debate in "Apocalypse Not" over sacrificing Prue. It's not a simple matter of just offering her up on a platter so that everyone can live. There's subsequent events, factions, and possible eventualities that need to be taken into account. What do Piper and Phoebe do without their sister around? Did Leo and the Elders think about that? Why did the Source immediately jump to killing his four horsemen agents when the demise of the PO3 would have arguably been just as impressive a result of their agenda? Everyone had something to lose and potentially gain with this situation. It shouldn't have been left at the criminally simple notion of "we don't be selfish, the world is saved". Conceptually, it's much more complicated than that. |
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Post by codebox on Jun 19, 2019 4:56:41 GMT -5
I'm surprised with how much stuff the later season sisters got away with.
As for the most horrible spells/potions used on innocents.
Piper using the Vanishing Spell to make the entire Golden Gate Bridge Disappear- This one is self explanatory. Piper does this in retaliation against the Cleaners for taking away Wyatt, even though her careless actions as a mother in not binding his powers caused him to get take away (as well as summoning a dragon to destroy the city) basically Piper was willing to sacrifice tons of innocents simply out of spite in retaliation toward the Cleaners. It's truly a mark on just how bad Season 6 was as a whole, as the sisters seemed to just do whatever. Its by far one of my most disliked moments in the whole show.
Phoebe Throwing Potions at Spencer Ricks- Sure Spencer Ricks is a sexist jerk, but Phoebe just virtually assaulted a mortal with a potion simply out of distain.
Phoebe and Paige Glamoring Rick to look like Chris- This is one of the most bizzare instances of the whole show. Especially when the way they could've solved this is literally having Paige orb the gun away. Even worse is they do it as if they planned for it to happen.
Phoebe and Paige killing Daryl and taking his soul away- Daryl is suppose to be their friend right? In fact he's the closest friend the Charmed Ones have and is the only non related family member that's family to them. Yet they take his soul without consent, force him to fight for his life in Valhalley against Leo simply to save Piper? They couldn't have just stolen a random demon or criminal's soul? Why did they have to steal Daryl's soul? Especially since it happened right in the middle of Daryl arresting and actual criminal!
The Charmed Ones Endangering Innocents by removing their free will- The Charmed Ones not even bother to question the ramifications of the consequences by the Avatars leading into every mortal in the world to be slaughter bait by demons virtually taking away free will in the process. Even worse is that they only revert the world back to normal simply by remembering what they would lose in the process. There's a reason I hate Charmegeddon with a passion.
Piper Turning Journalists/Reporters into Rodents- So in order to get reporters and journalists off their back Piper just decides to turn them into rats and let them wonder around only for god knows what could happen to them simply because they annoyed her. And she does this with absolutely no concern. Even worse is she threatens to blow them up afterwards!
Piper freezes a mortal in a jail cell then attacks her- When Piper gets sent to jail after accidentally taking the identity of someone who was "supposedly" a criminal she freezes the inmate she was trapped with and then assaults her by beat her with a tray. Only to have Paige and Billie solve the situation by orbing her away from her jail cell.
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Post by forbuss on Aug 17, 2019 13:49:07 GMT -5
What is the most horrible spell/l the sister cast on innocents when they were not under influence/possessed etc etc by evil? For me. It would be Piper when she made the golden Gate Bridge to disappear. Killing innocents and probably even children, just so she can save her son. Which is also her fault as she could have prevented Wyatt from summoning dragon. By binding his powers etc etc! What are your choices/thoughts? I think the Golden Gate bridge thing was an illusion and no one was ever in any real danger, especially with the cleaners cleaning it up after. Selfish, maybe, but murderous, no. At least not this time (haha). Think of in season 5 when Piper made the manor vanish with Phoebe inside. Phoebe didn't die, didn't feel pain, and when the house was returned Phoebe was still in the house unharmed. I think the same logic can be applied to the Golden Gate Bridge disappearing act. |
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Post by ljones on Aug 25, 2019 13:58:03 GMT -5
The Charmed Ones had committed some terrible deeds on the show. But for me, their alliance with the Avatar to change the Earth into a utopia tops the list.
But the worst thing about the Halliwells is that aside from Prue, they have never really paid the consequences for their mistakes or crimes. The show always found a way for them to escape any final consequence.
Their job? Killing demons was supposed to be "their job"? Since when?
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Post by imdb lives on on Oct 13, 2019 12:59:21 GMT -5
When piper used a spell to turn the reporters into eats whenever it was convenient
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Post by codebox on Oct 13, 2019 19:02:55 GMT -5
Piper turning reporters into rodents because they annoyed her, refused to turn them back until Paige convinced her.
Piper using the vanishing spell on the Golden Gate Bridge in Forget.. Me.. Not, then smuggly says "might want to find and alternate route to work in the morning"
Phoebe abusing her premonitions to force her baby/man destiny, especially when she tried to force marriage Dex Lawson.
Phoebe convincing Dex Lawson into a relationship (and marriage due to Billie's spell) while magically disguised, meaning she forced a false romance under a complete lie.
Phoebe walking out on saving Miley the Mermaid because she got in the way of her "divorce hearing" then comes back to criticize Piper for a panic attack
The Charmed Ones abusing the Leprechaun's luck magic for personal gain, then spend the entirety of season 8 talking down to them and using them as canon fodder to scope out demons, then play victim when said leprechauns are mad at them
Paige creating her own "Mr Right" for self pleasure
Phoebe and Paige creating "Mr Right" for Piper as an attempt to make a man a sex object
Piper trying to assault Billie and Christy with a potion and not even giving them a chance to talk their side of the story
Phoebe and Paige turning Rick into Chris to have him melted by scabbard demons- Especially when Paige could've orbed the gun away or both her and Phoebe away.. Phoebe could've also subdued him with martial arts.
The Charmed Ones teaming up with avatars, sacrificing free will to have their own utopia- Especially when the only reason they reversed it was by remembering their losses
The Charmed Ones glamouring themselves to take the personas of other people- It would be one thing if they made completely new faces, but as "Run Piper Run" proves they stole identities from other people and posed as them just to avoid their jobs. Especially since while in jail Piper assaults a mortal inmate after freezing her
Phoebe and Paige stealing Darryl's soul in Valhalley of Dolls, then making him fight for his life against Leo.
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Post by ljones on Dec 17, 2019 17:25:16 GMT -5
For me, it had to be when they joined the Avatars and took away everyone's free will just so they could have their own little utopia - especially when the only reason they took it off was remembering their own losses. It's when I lost the itty, bitty little bit of respect I had left for the Charmed Ones. Yes that one to. And they only reverted it back so they can save Leo iirc. Even with season 3 and 4. Sisters were still somewhat protesters of innocents. While at later point, it was all about them. And the world can go to hell for all they cared. Another one is when Phoebe and Paige used spell to give Rick Chris's face. So the demons can kill him instead of Chris. Also not a spell, but a potion used on Darryl to steal his souls. It's even more horrible. Because he was supposed to be one of the closest friends of their, even family. Looking at the seasons. It feels like the sisters were new characters, who were played by same actresses! I have to agree. My disgust for the Charmed Ones and Leo hit a new low with those episodes. And they were never called out for their actions. |
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