Could Morality Bite's Melinda have been Dan's Child?

[rebooted]

I was just thinking about this...

I know Leo talks about Melinda being "Our" daughter in the future, but for some reason, I think that Melinda is actually Dan's daughter. 

Then something happens to Dan, and Leo helps raise Piper and Dan's daughter?

What do you think. Personally, I would have preferred it this way, with Piper and Leo not reproducing. 

[Elle Em]

That's very interesting! Melinda would still have powers if she was Piper's daughter, regardless of who her father was. And all the time afterwards of Piper and Leo getting to the point of having the little girl she saw would have been for nothing, because she was never Leo's kid. The very thing that drove her to choosing Leo would have been a mixed signal from the very beginning that was really pointing her towards Dan the whole time.

Besides the personal aspects of it, from a magical standpoint, I would absolutely prefer that Piper and Leo never had kids. I will never stop hating the idea that whitelighter powers are to be earned through living a good life, except when they're passed down genetically because somehow beings that can't be killed except by a particular type of poison have no trouble fathering children. Leo even being present, as well as the whole concept of whitelighters, forever changed the show in a negative way.

[Ruth Marie]

Now I wonder how Piper would be influenced moving forward if she knew the child was Dan's and Leo couldn't give her children. I feel this means Leo might well have become a whitelighter again in Murphys Luck and been gone. Unless she stays with him and never has children. But her having a child with Leo really set her on her path that she just came to want children because of what she saw in the future.

I really feel this would definitely mean the end of Piper and Leo but not sure her and Dan last either. No hybrids and Paige would have a different backstory. I remember the great idea someone brought up about it still being Victor's in another thread.

I love this idea Rebooted of it being Dan's and whitelighters cant reproduce. It fixes major things about whitelighters and keeps them special.

[Elle Em]

Jul 26, 2018 16:52:45 GMT -5 Ruth Marie said:

But her having a child with Leo really set her on her path that she just came to want children because of what she saw in the future.

I really do believe that this glimpse of the future changed everything for Piper. It would have been really hard for her to choose Dan, or to just not choose Leo, after having seen Melinda. Seeing her almost made it seem like she was destined to exist, and that Piper was denying her life by not being with Leo. If there had been no Melinda in the future, and just a divorced Piper and Leo, I don't know if she would have chosen him. 

[Esmeralda]

I'll always believe that originally Melinda was supposed to be Andy and Prue's with Piper being the one who threw herself into her club and has a whole slew of them and restaurants after Leo left her for good after 'Love Hurts'. The same way Chris was changed after Holly announced she was pregnant, I think Prue and Piper's story changed when Ted King quit and instead Leo was put back in the picture.

It's fun thinking of what might have been and how different both Prue and Piper might have ended up being. Especially if Prue still died, meaning it was impossible for Melinda to exist...

Of course the other possibility would be if Piper falls for Dan with only Leo's memory being part of the triangle. Piper with someone mortal who can give her a halfway normal life and half-normal kids. What a better Piper we would've had!

[Elle Em]

I love the idea of Piper being the workaholic businesswoman and Prue being the one with the daughter and ex-husband. It's so much fun to think of the stories we'd expect being turned on their heads and seeing those two basically switch places.

And yes, it would have been so much better if Piper ended up with a nonmagical husband and had only witch kids. Her and Leo together was a recipe for disaster.

[Granny Charmed]

Jul 27, 2018 7:15:10 GMT -5 Elle Em said:

I love the idea of Piper being the workaholic businesswoman and Prue being the one with the daughter and ex-husband. It's so much fun to think of the stories we'd expect being turned on their heads and seeing those two basically switch places.

And yes, it would have been so much better if Piper ended up with a nonmagical husband and had only witch kids. Her and Leo together was a recipe for disaster.

Me too dear. Truly wished Piper went that direction. Focusing on her business. It feels like the first seeds of her downfall came about at the beginning of S2 and kept getting worse the more she and Leo stayed together.

Interesting to note that Brian Krause was attached to other projects in S2. So he could have also been permanently written out in P3H20 also. But I still preferred Love hurts that way Morality Bites doesn't plant the first seeds of Piper's direction moving forward.

[Polarity]

Jul 27, 2018 7:15:10 GMT -5 Elle Em said:

I love the idea of Piper being the workaholic businesswoman and Prue being the one with the daughter and ex-husband. It's so much fun to think of the stories we'd expect being turned on their heads and seeing those two basically switch places.

And yes, it would have been so much better if Piper ended up with a nonmagical husband and had only witch kids. Her and Leo together was a recipe for disaster.

I'm the opposite view of yours on the whole whitelighter thing, though you made some good points for me to think about! I actually enjoyed the whole concept of whitelighters and really enjoyed Brian Krause on the show. I think because I had seen him in a movie not long before he came on, and thought he was so cute. I can see, though, how it may have been better and could've had better storylines without the whole concept of whitelighters. Of course, then we might not have had one of my favorite episodes, "Love Hurts". But the whole idea of the show without them is making me think now!

I think Piper being the business woman and Prue being the "mom" and all would've been something to see! It's fun to think about how they could have done that.

[Ruth Marie]

Jul 26, 2018 18:30:31 GMT -5 Elle Em said:

Jul 26, 2018 16:52:45 GMT -5 Ruth Marie said:

But her having a child with Leo really set her on her path that she just came to want children because of what she saw in the future.

I really do believe that this glimpse of the future changed everything for Piper. It would have been really hard for her to choose Dan, or to just not choose Leo, after having seen Melinda. Seeing her almost made it seem like she was destined to exist, and that Piper was denying her life by not being with Leo. If there had been no Melinda in the future, and just a divorced Piper and Leo, I don't know if she would have chosen him. 

Exactly. If Melinda was out of the picture and didn't exist, I doubt Piper and Leo's story progresses as it did. That would change things massively.

If Morality Bites was the second season finale, and allowed the love triangle to play out without this episode existing right before it. The outcome may be different.

I always was surprised they never did a follow-up on it especially with Nathaniel Pratt. I suppose, if Prue lived that might have been a great one to end of the series on. They may have done it, but once she died and Piper had Wyatt they already made changes to the future, they didn't feel the need to follow up on him.

Jul 26, 2018 22:01:56 GMT -5 Esmeralda said:

I'll always believe that originally Melinda was supposed to be Andy and Prue's with Piper being the one who threw herself into her club and has a whole slew of them and restaurants after Leo left her for good after 'Love Hurts'. The same way Chris was changed after Holly announced she was pregnant, I think Prue and Piper's story changed when Ted King quit and instead Leo was put back in the picture.

It's fun thinking of what might have been and how different both Prue and Piper might have ended up being. Especially if Prue still died, meaning it was impossible for Melinda to exist...

Of course the other possibility would be if Piper falls for Dan with only Leo's memory being part of the triangle. Piper with someone mortal who can give her a halfway normal life and half-normal kids. What a better Piper we would've had!

I believe this too. Prue and Piper's stories really did change after S1. If Prue still died, I think Andy could still be around. However, Kern's vision would not be what Connie would have in mind with him. But that is the fun job of fanfiction writers, to come up with those stories.

Jul 31, 2018 20:28:46 GMT -5 Polarity said:

Jul 27, 2018 7:15:10 GMT -5 Elle Em said:

I love the idea of Piper being the workaholic businesswoman and Prue being the one with the daughter and ex-husband. It's so much fun to think of the stories we'd expect being turned on their heads and seeing those two basically switch places.

And yes, it would have been so much better if Piper ended up with a nonmagical husband and had only witch kids. Her and Leo together was a recipe for disaster.

I'm the opposite view of yours on the whole whitelighter thing, though you made some good points for me to think about! I actually enjoyed the whole concept of whitelighters and really enjoyed Brian Krause on the show. I think because I had seen him in a movie not long before he came on, and thought he was so cute. I can see, though, how it may have been better and could've had better storylines without the whole concept of whitelighters. Of course, then we might not have had one of my favorite episodes, "Love Hurts". But the whole idea of the show without them is making me think now!

I think Piper being the business woman and Prue being the "mom" and all would've been something to see! It's fun to think about how they could have done that.

It really is fun to think what could have been. I'm sure if Leo did leave after S1, we all would be wondering the same what if with him staying. 

But that is the fun part of boards, we can see everyone's opinion on how things could play out. You can have heaps and heaps of differet story paths. 

[prudencehalliwell]

I like to see what Prue as a mother would be like. We already seen her accept it in Secrets and Guys. That it felt like the direction they planned to explore with her in Morality Bites if Andy stayed.

I do wonder how Pipers future seeing her being a business woman who impact her when she returned on the verge of opening P3. It's something influencing Piper I'd find would really more interesting than the mother and wife influence.

I always wonder how things go if Piper was burning instead of Phoebe. Prue is the mother and Phoebe the business woman. Just another what if.

[West]

Well if Morality Bites didn't happen in S2 and happened in the later seasons. Piper burning would make sense with Phoebe being the workaholic.

Interesting if they did follow up on Nathaniel Pratt in S7 or S8 and Phoebe or even Piper as the one to burn. Maybe all three are arrested or just two and Paige happens to panic orb away. Could have happened after the manor was destroyed. Wouldn't that make an interesting final episode than going back in time.

[prudencehalliwell]

I think Nathaniel Pratt as a villain or big bad would be fun at the end of the series.

[Esmeralda]

Aug 3, 2018 20:59:51 GMT -5 Ruth Marie said:

Jul 26, 2018 18:30:31 GMT -5 Elle Em said:

I really do believe that this glimpse of the future changed everything for Piper. It would have been really hard for her to choose Dan, or to just not choose Leo, after having seen Melinda. Seeing her almost made it seem like she was destined to exist, and that Piper was denying her life by not being with Leo. If there had been no Melinda in the future, and just a divorced Piper and Leo, I don't know if she would have chosen him. 

Exactly. If Melinda was out of the picture and didn't exist, I doubt Piper and Leo's story progresses as it did. That would change things massively.

If Morality Bites was the second season finale, and allowed the love triangle to play out without this episode existing right before it. The outcome may be different.

I always was surprised they never did a follow-up on it especially with Nathaniel Pratt. I suppose, if Prue lived that might have been a great one to end of the series on. They may have done it, but once she died and Piper had Wyatt they already made changes to the future, they didn't feel the need to follow up on him.

Jul 26, 2018 22:01:56 GMT -5 Esmeralda said:

I'll always believe that originally Melinda was supposed to be Andy and Prue's with Piper being the one who threw herself into her club and has a whole slew of them and restaurants after Leo left her for good after 'Love Hurts'. The same way Chris was changed after Holly announced she was pregnant, I think Prue and Piper's story changed when Ted King quit and instead Leo was put back in the picture.

It's fun thinking of what might have been and how different both Prue and Piper might have ended up being. Especially if Prue still died, meaning it was impossible for Melinda to exist...

Of course the other possibility would be if Piper falls for Dan with only Leo's memory being part of the triangle. Piper with someone mortal who can give her a halfway normal life and half-normal kids. What a better Piper we would've had!

I believe this too. Prue and Piper's stories really did change after S1. If Prue still died, I think Andy could still be around. However, Kern's vision would not be what Connie would have in mind with him. But that is the fun job of fanfiction writers, to come up with those stories.

Jul 31, 2018 20:28:46 GMT -5 Polarity said:

I'm the opposite view of yours on the whole whitelighter thing, though you made some good points for me to think about! I actually enjoyed the whole concept of whitelighters and really enjoyed Brian Krause on the show. I think because I had seen him in a movie not long before he came on, and thought he was so cute. I can see, though, how it may have been better and could've had better storylines without the whole concept of whitelighters. Of course, then we might not have had one of my favorite episodes, "Love Hurts". But the whole idea of the show without them is making me think now!

I think Piper being the business woman and Prue being the "mom" and all would've been something to see! It's fun to think about how they could have done that.

It really is fun to think what could have been. I'm sure if Leo did leave after S1, we all would be wondering the same what if with him staying. 

But that is the fun part of boards, we can see everyone's opinion on how things could play out. You can have heaps and heaps of differet story paths. 

Aug 4, 2018 8:24:40 GMT -5 prudencehalliwell said:

I like to see what Prue as a mother would be like. We already seen her accept it in Secrets and Guys. That it felt like the direction they planned to explore with her in Morality Bites if Andy stayed.

I do wonder how Pipers future seeing her being a business woman who impact her when she returned on the verge of opening P3. It's something influencing Piper I'd find would really more interesting than the mother and wife influence.

I always wonder how things go if Piper was burning instead of Phoebe. Prue is the mother and Phoebe the business woman. Just another what if.

Aug 4, 2018 17:46:20 GMT -5 West said:

Well if Morality Bites didn't happen in S2 and happened in the later seasons. Piper burning would make sense with Phoebe being the workaholic.

Interesting if they did follow up on Nathaniel Pratt in S7 or S8 and Phoebe or even Piper as the one to burn. Maybe all three are arrested or just two and Paige happens to panic orb away. Could have happened after the manor was destroyed. Wouldn't that make an interesting final episode than going back in time.

Aug 4, 2018 21:19:40 GMT -5 prudencehalliwell said:

I think Nathaniel Pratt as a villain or big bad would be fun at the end of the series.

Couldn't agree more with all of this if I tried. I always imagine Billie annoying Piper one time too many, so she explodes Billie and Pratt sees her and just what happens after that as the perfect last half of the final season of Charmed. Best of all, no real need to include Henry or Coop, so just the boys would be part of it, meaning no new Charmed Ones. It also means no need to include Christy (or the Source or the Triad...), meaning two witches aren't the Ultimate Power - more powerful than the most powerful witches ever born.

I especially like the idea of Piper burning with Phoebe as the workaholic and Paige having gotten out of Dodge in order to escape her selfish, self-centered half-sisters, so when she goes to the future, Phoebe has to figure it on her own.

Both Granny Charmed and Ruth Marie used these ideas for their Library Contest entries, and I was going to link to them, but I don't see them around right now. If anyone else can link to them, or if those two want to put their entries in the Library and then link to them, please do.

[Polarity]

Aug 3, 2018 20:59:51 GMT -5 Ruth Marie said:

Jul 26, 2018 18:30:31 GMT -5 Elle Em said:

I really do believe that this glimpse of the future changed everything for Piper. It would have been really hard for her to choose Dan, or to just not choose Leo, after having seen Melinda. Seeing her almost made it seem like she was destined to exist, and that Piper was denying her life by not being with Leo. If there had been no Melinda in the future, and just a divorced Piper and Leo, I don't know if she would have chosen him. 

Exactly. If Melinda was out of the picture and didn't exist, I doubt Piper and Leo's story progresses as it did. That would change things massively.

If Morality Bites was the second season finale, and allowed the love triangle to play out without this episode existing right before it. The outcome may be different.

I always was surprised they never did a follow-up on it especially with Nathaniel Pratt. I suppose, if Prue lived that might have been a great one to end of the series on. They may have done it, but once she died and Piper had Wyatt they already made changes to the future, they didn't feel the need to follow up on him.

Jul 26, 2018 22:01:56 GMT -5 Esmeralda said:

I'll always believe that originally Melinda was supposed to be Andy and Prue's with Piper being the one who threw herself into her club and has a whole slew of them and restaurants after Leo left her for good after 'Love Hurts'. The same way Chris was changed after Holly announced she was pregnant, I think Prue and Piper's story changed when Ted King quit and instead Leo was put back in the picture.

It's fun thinking of what might have been and how different both Prue and Piper might have ended up being. Especially if Prue still died, meaning it was impossible for Melinda to exist...

Of course the other possibility would be if Piper falls for Dan with only Leo's memory being part of the triangle. Piper with someone mortal who can give her a halfway normal life and half-normal kids. What a better Piper we would've had!

I believe this too. Prue and Piper's stories really did change after S1. If Prue still died, I think Andy could still be around. However, Kern's vision would not be what Connie would have in mind with him. But that is the fun job of fanfiction writers, to come up with those stories.

Jul 31, 2018 20:28:46 GMT -5 Polarity said:

I'm the opposite view of yours on the whole whitelighter thing, though you made some good points for me to think about! I actually enjoyed the whole concept of whitelighters and really enjoyed Brian Krause on the show. I think because I had seen him in a movie not long before he came on, and thought he was so cute. I can see, though, how it may have been better and could've had better storylines without the whole concept of whitelighters. Of course, then we might not have had one of my favorite episodes, "Love Hurts". But the whole idea of the show without them is making me think now!

I think Piper being the business woman and Prue being the "mom" and all would've been something to see! It's fun to think about how they could have done that.

It really is fun to think what could have been. I'm sure if Leo did leave after S1, we all would be wondering the same what if with him staying. 

But that is the fun part of boards, we can see everyone's opinion on how things could play out. You can have heaps and heaps of differet story paths. 

It really is fun to think about what could have been! I love seeing everyone's opinions on how they think should have/would have played out if something had or had not happened. Everyone has such good thoughts and ideas of things!

[prudencehalliwell]

Aug 5, 2018 17:11:47 GMT -5 Esmeralda said:

Aug 3, 2018 20:59:51 GMT -5 Ruth Marie said:

Exactly. If Melinda was out of the picture and didn't exist, I doubt Piper and Leo's story progresses as it did. That would change things massively.

If Morality Bites was the second season finale, and allowed the love triangle to play out without this episode existing right before it. The outcome may be different.

I always was surprised they never did a follow-up on it especially with Nathaniel Pratt. I suppose, if Prue lived that might have been a great one to end of the series on. They may have done it, but once she died and Piper had Wyatt they already made changes to the future, they didn't feel the need to follow up on him.

I believe this too. Prue and Piper's stories really did change after S1. If Prue still died, I think Andy could still be around. However, Kern's vision would not be what Connie would have in mind with him. But that is the fun job of fanfiction writers, to come up with those stories.

It really is fun to think what could have been. I'm sure if Leo did leave after S1, we all would be wondering the same what if with him staying. 

But that is the fun part of boards, we can see everyone's opinion on how things could play out. You can have heaps and heaps of differet story paths. 

Aug 4, 2018 8:24:40 GMT -5 prudencehalliwell said:

I like to see what Prue as a mother would be like. We already seen her accept it in Secrets and Guys. That it felt like the direction they planned to explore with her in Morality Bites if Andy stayed.

I do wonder how Pipers future seeing her being a business woman who impact her when she returned on the verge of opening P3. It's something influencing Piper I'd find would really more interesting than the mother and wife influence.

I always wonder how things go if Piper was burning instead of Phoebe. Prue is the mother and Phoebe the business woman. Just another what if.

Aug 4, 2018 17:46:20 GMT -5 West said:

Well if Morality Bites didn't happen in S2 and happened in the later seasons. Piper burning would make sense with Phoebe being the workaholic.

Interesting if they did follow up on Nathaniel Pratt in S7 or S8 and Phoebe or even Piper as the one to burn. Maybe all three are arrested or just two and Paige happens to panic orb away. Could have happened after the manor was destroyed. Wouldn't that make an interesting final episode than going back in time.

Aug 4, 2018 21:19:40 GMT -5 prudencehalliwell said:

I think Nathaniel Pratt as a villain or big bad would be fun at the end of the series.

Couldn't agree more with all of this if I tried. I always imagine Billie annoying Piper one time too many, so she explodes Billie and Pratt sees her and just what happens after that as the perfect last half of the final season of Charmed. Best of all, no real need to include Henry or Coop, so just the boys would be part of it, meaning no new Charmed Ones. It also means no need to include Christy (or the Source or the Triad...), meaning two witches aren't the Ultimate Power - more powerful than the most powerful witches ever born.

I especially like the idea of Piper burning with Phoebe as the workaholic and Paige having gotten out of Dodge in order to escape her selfish, self-centered half-sisters, so when she goes to the future, Phoebe has to figure it on her own.

Both Granny Charmed and Ruth Marie used these ideas for their Library Contest entries, and I was going to link to them, but I don't see them around right now. If anyone else can link to them, or if those two want to put their entries in the Library and then link to them, please do.

That really would make a great set-up.


I'd really like to read those stories. Granny Charmed and Ruth Marie please share them when you can. We've been talking about this subject, reading a story would be really great. 

[Aaeiyn]

It's a possibility it could have been Piper & Dan's, but I would've preferred it not to be because I don't think Dan is suitable to be Piper's husband. Maybe Phoebe's but not Piper's. I'm much more in favor of Dan & Phoebe being together than Dan & Piper.