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Post by pheebs on Oct 15, 2018 22:08:41 GMT -5
From cyma There's too much crammed into one episode: Mom's death, Mom's death wasn't an accident but murder, abandoned sister discovery, whitelighter revealing himself, learning their witches and powers, there is a Source of All Evil, Macy moving in with her two sisters, 48 hour choice, vanquishing not one but two demons. Agree you sum it up well Wayyyyy tooo much happened. They didn’t even need to copy charmed, it felt like the haddd to follow it Maybe they should have made this a two-part opener. I see they had more than one demon plot in the opening episode. Was it three? Maybe Part 1 should have just ended with the whatever that demon dog and possession was, and left the professor for Part 2. Looks like with the backlash, and all they really are terrified of losing viewers had they had things play out over time. |
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Post by CharmedFaith on Oct 15, 2018 22:11:13 GMT -5
Something for those who watched, since I saw this on IMDB. But Constance M. Burge got a story credit for the pilot alongside the other writers. Now I wonder if this was just their way to credit the original creator, as they would with Charmed originally created by Constance M. Burge, or did she actually have some input, or just more a nod and credit. I think since the story was partially based on her concept she gets a story credit. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Oct 15, 2018 23:15:10 GMT -5
Something for those who watched, since I saw this on IMDB. But Constance M. Burge got a story credit for the pilot alongside the other writers. Now I wonder if this was just their way to credit the original creator, as they would with Charmed originally created by Constance M. Burge, or did she actually have some input, or just more a nod and credit. I think since the story was partially based on her concept she gets a story credit. That's what I was thinking, the way she is still given a story credit for all of the S4-8 episodes in IMDb and we know she had nothing to do with them. Still, it's nice that they give her that nod since from what I've heard, outside of the Power of Three, two of the powers, the Book of Shadows, the Source of All Evil, "whitelighters" (who aren't...) and possible Elders, it has nothing to do with the story she wrote. If it wasn't called Charmed, she wouldn't have her name on it. I can't see her agreeing to help inviscerate her baby like that, especially when, for what I can tell, this is an S3-8 reboot much more than an S1-2 one. If only they'd done it properly, I could truly be interested, but the way they're already making the Nu-Paige part of the family this quickly? No, thanks. I've read that it got decent ratings for the 18-49 age group- better than Supergirl - but I wonder what their ratings will be like next week now that people have had a chance to sample it. |
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Post by sky1 on Oct 16, 2018 2:13:34 GMT -5
My biggest question to those who watched it - would you have watched it if it wasn't called "Charmed"? Would we even be discussing it in its own board if it wasn't called Charmed? Is it enough like Charmed that it truly deserves a board in the CHARMED Cafe or should it just have its own thread in the "Other Fandom" board? No. Vampire/Werewolf/witches tv shows have overstayed their welcome for some years now. So I wouldn't even gloss over the new witch show. OG Charmed was lucky to be made at the right time. Same reason I am tired of the superhero movies now. |
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Post by Sadrick on Oct 16, 2018 2:56:41 GMT -5
Haven't been following the developments and reveals concerning this reboot. Judging by some of the comments, I think my disinterest was well placed. A number of the criticisms was rooted in tone and dialogue of the show being rooted in a teen-oriented viewership instead of adults? Comedy isn't my thing, personally. Too many introductory contrived elements placed into a single episode was it? Also, something about vigorous political diatribes and lectures. I don't mind there being serious philosophical lessons being touched on in popular media -- a good number of the manga that I read have such subtextual concepts injected into them -- but if that's going to be the crux of a person's characterisation and it's presented in a tawdry manner then I feel that's going to result in being disinclined from supporting the character.
Count me as part of the group who doesn't feel like he's going to be watching this. I'll stick with the original Charmed.
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Post by summerreading on Oct 16, 2018 6:22:22 GMT -5
I think since the story was partially based on her concept she gets a story credit. That's what I was thinking, the way she is still given a story credit for all of the S4-8 episodes in IMDb and we know she had nothing to do with them. Still, it's nice that they give her that nod since from what I've heard, outside of the Power of Three, two of the powers, the Book of Shadows, the Source of All Evil, "whitelighters" (who aren't...) and possible Elders, it has nothing to do with the story she wrote. If it wasn't called Charmed, she wouldn't have her name on it. I can't see her agreeing to help inviscerate her baby like that, especially when, for what I can tell, this is an S3-8 reboot much more than an S1-2 one. If only they'd done it properly, I could truly be interested, but the way they're already making the Nu-Paige part of the family this quickly? No, thanks. I've read that it got decent ratings for the 18-49 age group- better than Supergirl - but I wonder what their ratings will be like next week now that people have had a chance to sample it. I am wondering if she did. She will, of course, continue to get the created by credit in every episode. But for the pilot, she got the story credit too. So I'm confused now? I found screencaps online for it and was curious to see. Looks like she'll always have the created by credit (the same way Superman films and movies always have the original creator attached to any future incarnations in credits), but maybe she needed to sign off the pilot for rights and was given the story credit too for the mythology they have taken in some parts e.g whitelighters, book of shadows, power of three.   |
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Post by sav001 on Oct 16, 2018 6:27:57 GMT -5
I think since the story was partially based on her concept she gets a story credit. That's what I was thinking, the way she is still given a story credit for all of the S4-8 episodes in IMDb and we know she had nothing to do with them. Still, it's nice that they give her that nod since from what I've heard, outside of the Power of Three, two of the powers, the Book of Shadows, the Source of All Evil, "whitelighters" (who aren't...) and possible Elders, it has nothing to do with the story she wrote. If it wasn't called Charmed, she wouldn't have her name on it. I can't see her agreeing to help inviscerate her baby like that, especially when, for what I can tell, this is an S3-8 reboot much more than an S1-2 one. If only they'd done it properly, I could truly be interested, but the way they're already making the Nu-Paige part of the family this quickly? No, thanks. I've read that it got decent ratings for the 18-49 age group- better than Supergirl - but I wonder what their ratings will be like next week now that people have had a chance to sample it. It got a 0.5 in the 18-49 demo and 1.5 million viewers, equal with Supergirl but going by comments on social media it will drop hard next week. It will probably be down to a 0.2 or 0.3 next week with 1.1-1.2 million viewers. |
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Post by summerreading on Oct 16, 2018 6:34:49 GMT -5
That's what I was thinking, the way she is still given a story credit for all of the S4-8 episodes in IMDb and we know she had nothing to do with them. Still, it's nice that they give her that nod since from what I've heard, outside of the Power of Three, two of the powers, the Book of Shadows, the Source of All Evil, "whitelighters" (who aren't...) and possible Elders, it has nothing to do with the story she wrote. If it wasn't called Charmed, she wouldn't have her name on it. I can't see her agreeing to help inviscerate her baby like that, especially when, for what I can tell, this is an S3-8 reboot much more than an S1-2 one. If only they'd done it properly, I could truly be interested, but the way they're already making the Nu-Paige part of the family this quickly? No, thanks. I've read that it got decent ratings for the 18-49 age group- better than Supergirl - but I wonder what their ratings will be like next week now that people have had a chance to sample it. It got a 0.5 in the 18-49 demo and 1.5 million viewers, equal with Supergirl but going by comments on social media it will drop hard next week. It will probably be down to a 0.2 or 0.3 next week with 1.1-1.2 million viewers. As expected. Most shows, in the long run, the pilot episode becomes the highest rated episode of the series. A drop is going to happen. But we have to remember, that television is different than 20 years ago. Many of the younger viewers or plenty watch online or DVR. All shows across the network television are much lower than a long time ago. I would not be surprised it did drop that hard or even go below 1 million viewers by seasons end. I'm curious about DVR figures, how much higher the pilot got. I remember hearing The CW skews well in DVR ratings, even if those do not count. Unless I'm mistaken? |
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Post by Granny Charmed on Oct 16, 2018 6:39:18 GMT -5
I'm so glad I didn't tune in. I know my daughter, granddaughter and me were going to watch it all together, but we decided not too. But this time of year is very busy for them both. I've heard they have ripped off more than just Charmed dear. So much political stuff, I'm sure this is just the beginning. Whenever a new headline in the media comes out, expect it to be worked into this show. I can see, I made the right decision not to watch. I'll still follow along with everyone else here and read this way. I'm shocked Macy moved in at the end of the episode. And here I was complaining Paige moved in too soon and that was six episodes. You are way better of not watching!  Even if you take out the political stuff, bad characters and the story. The episode was still so rushed. And while this was not said in episode, I heard all 3 sisters have dif fathers. So not wanting to see that explanation. A little spoiler: The demon in the end feeds on the strength of strong woman. Not people, but woman. Even ancient demons and whitelighters are all so pc woke. Imagine just for a second this kind of stuff in the original show? lol This set of sisters make crazy/evil Cole into a decent person! lol Looks like nothing was missed. I don't like the sounds of that dear. I hear they had demon dogs too. All I can remember is Classic Charmed with the shapeshifter dogs. |
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Post by Granny Charmed on Oct 16, 2018 6:42:48 GMT -5
I think since the story was partially based on her concept she gets a story credit. That's what I was thinking, the way she is still given a story credit for all of the S4-8 episodes in IMDb and we know she had nothing to do with them. Still, it's nice that they give her that nod since from what I've heard, outside of the Power of Three, two of the powers, the Book of Shadows, the Source of All Evil, "whitelighters" (who aren't...) and possible Elders, it has nothing to do with the story she wrote. If it wasn't called Charmed, she wouldn't have her name on it. I can't see her agreeing to help inviscerate her baby like that, especially when, for what I can tell, this is an S3-8 reboot much more than an S1-2 one. If only they'd done it properly, I could truly be interested, but the way they're already making the Nu-Paige part of the family this quickly? No, thanks. I've read that it got decent ratings for the 18-49 age group- better than Supergirl - but I wonder what their ratings will be like next week now that people have had a chance to sample it. I am wondering if she did. She will, of course, continue to get the created by credit in every episode. But for the pilot, she got the story credit too. So I'm confused now? I found screencaps online for it and was curious to see. Looks like she'll always have the created by credit (the same way Superman films and movies always have the original creator attached to any future incarnations in credits), but maybe she needed to sign off the pilot for rights and was given the story credit too for the mythology they have taken in some parts e.g whitelighters, book of shadows, power of three. I doubt Connie had any involvement dears. But of course, they *have* to give her that created by title, which is as you said whenever something is rebooted or adapted, they have to credit the original creator right. I presume the story by credit is just for using some of the mythology and terms Classic Charmed had. So in the second episode, she'll just have her created by credit and not the story credit. |
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Post by Elle Em on Oct 16, 2018 7:14:24 GMT -5
Reading through this thread makes me glad I didn't watch it and have no plans to in the future. A part of me hoped for another show that had the same feel as the original, something that was fun and comfortable and that would come to mean something special. But it sounds like it's a teenage drama/comedy that won't age well when taken too far out of the present moment. I'm sorry to hear that genuine moments of connection between the characters seem to either be lacking or forced, as that was always the best part of Charmed for me. Seems like the creators of this missed the mark about what true fans would want to see. That's okay, though, because it makes me appreciate the original Charmed that much more.
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Post by Esmeralda on Oct 16, 2018 7:41:58 GMT -5
That's what I was thinking, the way she is still given a story credit for all of the S4-8 episodes in IMDb and we know she had nothing to do with them. Still, it's nice that they give her that nod since from what I've heard, outside of the Power of Three, two of the powers, the Book of Shadows, the Source of All Evil, "whitelighters" (who aren't...) and possible Elders, it has nothing to do with the story she wrote. If it wasn't called Charmed, she wouldn't have her name on it. I can't see her agreeing to help inviscerate her baby like that, especially when, for what I can tell, this is an S3-8 reboot much more than an S1-2 one. If only they'd done it properly, I could truly be interested, but the way they're already making the Nu-Paige part of the family this quickly? No, thanks. I've read that it got decent ratings for the 18-49 age group- better than Supergirl - but I wonder what their ratings will be like next week now that people have had a chance to sample it. It got a 0.5 in the 18-49 demo and 1.5 million viewers, equal with Supergirl but going by comments on social media it will drop hard next week. It will probably be down to a 0.2 or 0.3 next week with 1.1-1.2 million viewers. I read on Variety that Supergirl got fewer overall viewers which makes sense since fans of Classic Charmed who are out of that 18-49 range probably decided to give it a try. Like I said, it will be interesting to see what happens next week. I'm not sure what sort of ratings Supergirl got before it moved to Sundays. Here's that article: Source: variety.com/2018/tv/news/tv-ratings-charmed-solid-in-cw-debut-1202980479/ |
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Post by CharmedFaith on Oct 16, 2018 9:00:47 GMT -5
I think since the story was partially based on her concept she gets a story credit. That's what I was thinking, the way she is still given a story credit for all of the S4-8 episodes in IMDb and we know she had nothing to do with them. Still, it's nice that they give her that nod since from what I've heard, outside of the Power of Three, two of the powers, the Book of Shadows, the Source of All Evil, "whitelighters" (who aren't...) and possible Elders, it has nothing to do with the story she wrote. If it wasn't called Charmed, she wouldn't have her name on it. I can't see her agreeing to help inviscerate her baby like that, especially when, for what I can tell, this is an S3-8 reboot much more than an S1-2 one. If only they'd done it properly, I could truly be interested, but the way they're already making the Nu-Paige part of the family this quickly? No, thanks. I've read that it got decent ratings for the 18-49 age group- better than Supergirl - but I wonder what their ratings will be like next week now that people have had a chance to sample it. They didn't do it out of the kindness of their heart lol they legally had to. We also have to remember that Sundays are fairly new for TheCw so what's deemed a hit is different, streaming will play a HUGE role. I wonder if Shannen is getting any money from this since she owned 10% stake in the original show. |
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Post by summerreading on Oct 16, 2018 14:39:01 GMT -5
I am wondering if she did. She will, of course, continue to get the created by credit in every episode. But for the pilot, she got the story credit too. So I'm confused now? I found screencaps online for it and was curious to see. Looks like she'll always have the created by credit (the same way Superman films and movies always have the original creator attached to any future incarnations in credits), but maybe she needed to sign off the pilot for rights and was given the story credit too for the mythology they have taken in some parts e.g whitelighters, book of shadows, power of three. I doubt Connie had any involvement dears. But of course, they *have* to give her that created by title, which is as you said whenever something is rebooted or adapted, they have to credit the original creator right. I presume the story by credit is just for using some of the mythology and terms Classic Charmed had. So in the second episode, she'll just have her created by credit and not the story credit. Yep legally Connie has to get that created by credit for every episode. As for the story credit. Yeah that's probably right. |
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Post by pheebs on Oct 16, 2018 21:55:01 GMT -5
I doubt Connie had any involvement dears. But of course, they *have* to give her that created by title, which is as you said whenever something is rebooted or adapted, they have to credit the original creator right. I presume the story by credit is just for using some of the mythology and terms Classic Charmed had. So in the second episode, she'll just have her created by credit and not the story credit. Yep legally Connie has to get that created by credit for every episode. As for the story credit. Yeah that's probably right. That's very true. Connie has to get that created by credit for every episode of the series. It's a legal thing! I guess she only was given the story credit also for the basis of the series using elements from Classic Charmed. Like you all said. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Oct 17, 2018 7:13:06 GMT -5
A friend who is a professional blogger (and Classic Charmed fan and very-occasional member of the Cafe - that's how I met her years ago) told me that pilots are often badly paced with too much thrown into it because it's not made for the public - it's made for the studio people who will decide if the show will be greenlighted. So they throw the kitchen sink into it, hoping that some part of it will attract enough attention to let it be greenlighted. The second episode is more what the series will be like.
An exception is Classic Charmed's 'Something Wicca This Way Come'. That one truly was for the fans - she said that any pilot that's given a name besides 'Pilot' was remade for the fans - so comparing the reboot's "Pilot" with it probably isn't a fair comparison.
So those who were turned off by the pacing, I'd suggest giving the second episode a try.
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Post by prudencehalliwell on Oct 17, 2018 7:33:03 GMT -5
That does make sense. Too bad, I didn't think the Classic Charmed pilot had a bad pace, unaired or real. I've seen many pilots, I've found that had a decent pacing.
Is this a Network television thing? Because I know many cable and streaming shows normally never label their first episodes pilot. Although they have exceptions, because the runtime isn't set to the Network standard, and have at least an hour to tell the pilots story, so the pacing has more room to breath. So I guess, I just answered my own question, I think. LOL
I hope people who did watch the pilot, tune into the second episode and let us know how it improves or doesn't.
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Post by Esmeralda on Oct 17, 2018 8:06:25 GMT -5
That does make sense. Too bad, I didn't think the Classic Charmed pilot had a bad pace, unaired or real. I've seen many pilots, I've found that had a decent pacing. Is this a Network television thing? Because I know many cable and streaming shows normally never label their first episodes pilot. Although they have exceptions, because the runtime isn't set to the Network standard, and have at least an hour to tell the pilots story, so the pacing has more room to breath. So I guess, I just answered my own question, I think. LOL I hope people who did watch the pilot, tune into the second episode and let us know how it improves or doesn't. I've never watched an online-only series - my speed on my laptop isn't fast enough and I don't want to pay for a faster speed - are those series' pilot called "Pilot"? That would truly answer your question. |
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Post by imdb lives on on Oct 17, 2018 13:06:54 GMT -5
Wow the new charmed seems disappointing. I had hopes as the old charmed wasn't perfect, inconsistent and jumped the shark many times.
But I guess it's hard to replicate that specialness the original had once before. I hope not all demons are killed with latain or science.
I like for the sisters to bond and develop the power of three.
Never cared for politics and never will so I'll be fast forwarding or skipping the pilot.
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Post by rebooted on Oct 17, 2018 21:35:04 GMT -5
Wow the new charmed seems disappointing. I had hopes as the old charmed wasn't perfect, inconsistent and jumped the shark many times. But I guess it's hard to replicate that specialness the original had once before. I hope not all demons are killed with latain or science. I like for the sisters to bond and develop the power of three. Never cared for politics and never will so I'll be fast forwarding or skipping the pilot. I think that they could have easily made it about a family of witches with a brother and sister(s) and parents, grandmothers. I think that would've been far more interesting and original.
I feel like the Pilot was constrained with trying to re tell the Charmed story, like it was forced....like they had to do it.
There didn't have to be a Book of Shadows. There could have been a grimoir or even an online forum or something.
There didn't need to be the Power of Three. Practical Magic didn't.
I also just think that it was entirely rubbish to force the sisterly relationships. That beginning scene with the sisters on the bed with their mom...was just sooooo cheesy.
AND AGAIN... I had to reiterate how stupid it is for anyone to walk alone through the woods, in the dark at night.
Why did the sisters have to be drugged and taken by a man, tied up and given an ultimatum?
This show had the platform to actually be original. It could have used elements from charmed but introducing the Source, Whitelighter, long lost sisters, moving in together after a coupl eo f days.
The only thing I like about the show is the 1 thing that is original which is the youngest sisters power. I like her the most.
I'd rather watch the worst episode of Charmed 100 times over than watch one more episode of this series.
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Even if you take out the political stuff, bad characters and the story. The episode was still so rushed. And while this was not said in episode, I heard all 3 sisters have dif fathers. So not wanting to see that explanation. 
