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Post by peytonmarie on Nov 26, 2018 18:49:48 GMT -5
Recent discussions in a few other threads on here have reminded me of something that always bothered me: Paige has the powers of a Whitelighter when she's not a Whitelighter. Whitelighters are created. Their powers are granted to them by the Elders. It's not like a vampire or a werewolf where you could become that creature through contact with one. The Elders didn't even know she existed. And personally, I don't agree that those powers should be obtainable any other way.
That said, I have a new theory about Paige and her powers. Here goes:
Paige died in the car accident that killed her parents. We know she orbed out of the car and this was presumably the first time she ever used that power (how did it never come up otherwise?). Whitelighters are created when the person dies and having Whitelighter blood might have caused her to become a Whitelighter upon her death rather than having the Elders create her. So, she dies from the initial impact and orbs out before the car catches fire.
(This doesn't match up exactly with what we see in A Paige From the Past BUT the crash seen in that episode isn't what originally happened according to Paige.)
Up until the accident, she's a witch just like all the other women in her family. Her active power was telekinesis, bound by Grams before she was given up. She did not have Whitelighter powers until after her death/resurrection.
We see from Grams that dead witches retain their magic. So, Paige can still cast spells, etc, and reconstitute the Charmed Ones when the need arises, and her telekinesis takes on a new Whitelighter form.
The main thing that contradicts this theory is obviously that Paige is alive. She dies countless times in ways Whitelighters never could and has kept aging since the accident. I don't have a big fanciful explanation for this other than chalking it up to the way she becomes a Whitelighter: through DNA as opposed to the Elders. True Whitelighters are immortal and even if her blood can grant her their powers, it's not enough to grant her that.
What do you think? Too silly? Too many holes? For me, it's really just a way to make peace with Paige having Whitelighter powers at all and then the fact that they take precedence over her Wiccan powers.
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Post by Elle Em on Nov 26, 2018 20:16:51 GMT -5
It's a really interesting idea. Like you said, the obvious problem is that Paige gets injured, ages, et cetera. Although if the idea is that because she was born from a whitelighter rather than created as one, maybe she is affected differently. Like maybe she had a second life because of her whitelighter powers giving her some sort of protection.
I like the idea. It gives even more impact to what happened to her parents, and the idea that when Prue, Piper, and Phoebe were all either in college or late high school that their younger half sister that they didn't know about died in a car accident, even if she pretty much automatically came back. There's a lot to explore with the idea that Paige's whitelighter powers make her a very unique magical being.
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Post by Sasha on Nov 26, 2018 20:50:17 GMT -5
A pretty neat theory. Although it was stated she orbed to survive the accident, Interesting idea, Maybe she had no traces of whitelighter powers in her until she experiences death for the first time, and that is when could orb and she taps into her whitelighter powers for the very first time.
Too bad it cannot hold up, and Paige didn't die so many times, but I do still want Paige alive, I'd hate for her being able to cheat death countless times, but if it is just the first time and that is how she got her whitelighter powers, Yes. But then again, all the sisters died so often and cheated death. I went with a theory of my own, that every time a sisters dies and comes back to life, it changes them, and they never come back completely the same, to explain why Piper and Phoebe were so different in S5-S8 than the earlier seasons.
Too bad the same couldn't be true for Wyatt and Chris, so they wouldn't have all those powers.
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Post by peytonmarie on Nov 26, 2018 23:24:39 GMT -5
Kind of like the idea that cats have nine lives. Maybe half-whitelighters have two?
They certainly make it sound like she's the first ever. But considering both Patty and Piper hooked up with their Whitelighters (and the Elders somehow had no idea Paige existed), I'd wager it's happened before. Either way, though, you're right, Elle. It's an interesting magical being to explore.
I always wanted to know more about the kids Darklighters have with mortals. I think the idea was simply to "spread evil" but that doesn't tell you what the offspring are like. Are they half-darklighters? Do they have powers? Honestly, I just wanted to see more Darklighters on the show. They were my favorite evil beings!
Ugh! I know, right? It got so dull in the later seasons when death had no meaning. Piper even looked at her own body on one such occasion and said, "am I dead again?" in a tone of voice like, "I forgot to fill up on gas? Darn."
Esmerelda mentioned someone had a theory about the sisters coming back different each time, Sasha! I guess that was you? I loved that theory! There really ought to be a price for cheating death so many times and it would help explain their dramatic changes in character over the years.
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Post by Granny Charmed on Nov 27, 2018 4:05:54 GMT -5
The series never went into Darklighter history at all dears I don't think. Although I'd always believe the Elders and Leo acted more Darklighter in S7. When they were supposed to be pacifists.
It is too bad that whitelighters who go against their role to guide and protect witches and charges and kill an innocent, turn into a darklighter. Seeing as they were supposed to be pacifists. I've never seen such a thing done in a fanfic before but I'm not sure. I'm not at all too familiar if the series went that deep into backstories for darklighters.
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Post by peytonmarie on Nov 27, 2018 6:35:37 GMT -5
The series never went into Darklighter history at all dears I don't think. Although I'd always believe the Elders and Leo acted more Darklighter in S7. When they were supposed to be pacifists. It is too bad that whitelighters who go against their role to guide and protect witches and charges and kill an innocent, turn into a darklighter. Seeing as they were supposed to be pacifists. I've never seen such a thing done in a fanfic before but I'm not sure. I'm not at all too familiar if the series went that deep into backstories for darklighters. The lore surrounding Whitelighters did get messed around with a lot in later seasons! They didn't feel like wise guardians. They had their own agenda (usually to serve as an obstacle to Piper and Leo's love for no apparent reason). I think Darklighters work in the same way as warlocks in that regard. They can either be born or turn. I guess it'd be pretty rare for a Whitelighter to turn Evil since they're paragons of Good but it would've been cool to see a former Whitelighter who went mad after losing their charge and turned. |
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Post by Sasha on Nov 27, 2018 9:22:29 GMT -5
Kind of like the idea that cats have nine lives. Maybe half-whitelighters have two? They certainly make it sound like she's the first ever. But considering both Patty and Piper hooked up with their Whitelighters (and the Elders somehow had no idea Paige existed), I'd wager it's happened before. Either way, though, you're right, Elle. It's an interesting magical being to explore. I always wanted to know more about the kids Darklighters have with mortals. I think the idea was simply to "spread evil" but that doesn't tell you what the offspring are like. Are they half-darklighters? Do they have powers? Honestly, I just wanted to see more Darklighters on the show. They were my favorite evil beings! Ugh! I know, right? It got so dull in the later seasons when death had no meaning. Piper even looked at her own body on one such occasion and said, "am I dead again?" in a tone of voice like, "I forgot to fill up on gas? Darn." Esmerelda mentioned someone had a theory about the sisters coming back different each time, Sasha! I guess that was you? I loved that theory! There really ought to be a price for cheating death so many times and it would help explain their dramatic changes in character over the years. Lots of neat theories. Would certainly explain it. The price of cheating death, they lose more and more of themselves each time they die and come back. Death had no meaning. Part of why you just don't feel for Piper losing her sisters when the manor blew. I dislike fantasy drama shows that use the cheat death card so often. The only time they should die is if said character stays dead or the finale episode. |
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Post by peytonmarie on Nov 27, 2018 12:48:00 GMT -5
Lots of neat theories. Would certainly explain it. The price of cheating death, they lose more and more of themselves each time they die and come back. Death had no meaning. Part of why you just don't feel for Piper losing her sisters when the manor blew. I dislike fantasy drama shows that use the cheat death card so often. The only time they should die is if said character stays dead or the finale episode. Honestly, I don't know how we're supposed to feel anything over that battle. Even if Billie and Christie were well-written villains and even if the Final Battle didn't boil down to shooting laser beams out of their palms, you knew those deaths weren't gonna stick. It might as well have been a dream sequence. And I agree. When character deaths are used like jump scares, you need to go back to your script and really look at what's going wrong. |
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Post by Sasha on Nov 27, 2018 22:48:28 GMT -5
Lots of neat theories. Would certainly explain it. The price of cheating death, they lose more and more of themselves each time they die and come back. Death had no meaning. Part of why you just don't feel for Piper losing her sisters when the manor blew. I dislike fantasy drama shows that use the cheat death card so often. The only time they should die is if said character stays dead or the finale episode. Honestly, I don't know how we're supposed to feel anything over that battle. Even if Billie and Christie were well-written villains and even if the Final Battle didn't boil down to shooting laser beams out of their palms, you knew those deaths weren't gonna stick. It might as well have been a dream sequence. And I agree. When character deaths are used like jump scares, you need to go back to your script and really look at what's going wrong. Exactly right, part of what made the finale pretty predictable. At least Something Wicca This Way Goes left a little more excitement. Agreed. The suspense on if a sister will make it out alive each episode was more than enough than killing and resurrecting all the time. Especially when Phoebe had a premonition where someone dying had to be prevented, that type of storytelling was just enough for me. |
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Post by ljones on Dec 18, 2018 20:12:38 GMT -5
Paige would have to agree to become a whitelighter right after the crash . . . wouldn't she? Immediately giving an individual whitelighter powers after he or she dies and then waiting roughly a decade to get that person to assume the duties of a whitelighter seemed to be stretching it for me.
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Post by universalcharmed on Feb 19, 2019 1:18:13 GMT -5
The biggest issue with the whole whitelighter thing is people made huge assumptions without the facts. The show never at any given time stated Whitelighters could not procreate. Whitelighters is a species just like witches, leprachuns, Pixies, Demons, etc. Also Paige wasn't scratched and became a whitelighter she was born a whitelighter so the whole Werewolf and Vampire comparison doesn't hold up. Being a whitelighter is in her genes the same way Blue eyes, Blonde hair, etc are in people genes. If someone with Blonde hair and Blue eyes scratched someone else doesn't mean that person will gain blonde hair and blue eyes.
Whitelighters powers are in their genetics, so if they had children they would have the same chance of passing it on like any other genetic trait. It is the basics of biology. Not trying to be mean but anyone who took Biology at any point in their life should know basic genetics and something like why Paige is a whitelighter shouldn't be shocking. The same reason she was a witch is the same reasons she was a whitelighter simply put genetics. There is no complicated reason behind it.
Here is a good example. Lets use aids for instance. Someone can be born Aids free and contact it later on in life but genetically they still have a chance of passing the aids to their children.
Also just as she and her sisters develop their witch powers at different points in their life the same could be said for her whitelighter abilities. Paige might not gain her self healing power or immortality until later on the same way Prue didn't gain astral projection until a year after she discovered her first powers or Phoebe discovering her Empathy ability 5-6 years after she got her premonition ability. Or a better example of when Paige didn't truly learn how to heal until season 8.
Again not trying to be mean but see too many people making this more complicated than it is. There is difference from what people like and what makes sense. Sometimes I feel like people don't know how to differ between the two. Logically it 100% makes sense that Paige is part whitelighter.
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Post by cyma on Feb 19, 2019 6:19:59 GMT -5
Recent discussions in a few other threads on here have reminded me of something that always bothered me: Paige has the powers of a Whitelighter when she's not a Whitelighter. Whitelighters are created. Their powers are granted to them by the Elders. It's not like a vampire or a werewolf where you could become that creature through contact with one. The Elders didn't even know she existed. And personally, I don't agree that those powers should be obtainable any other way. While I love the Paige theory, if the cosmic rule of obtaining access to whitelighter powers is not through infection or even having a whitelighter parent, but that you have to be dead and also having died doing something good, then Paige kind of fails at the last one because she was being a total bitch to her parents and spent her life smoking pot and getting drunk. So the car crash should’ve simply killed her like her parents. But sacrificing herself to death in order to save someone would provide access to the whitelighter powers she inherited through birth, but was prevented from gaining access due to the cosmic rule. |
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