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Post by ryang on Feb 27, 2019 21:31:53 GMT -5
What was that whole line about? The sisters had no clue about grams being a witch, at all.
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Post by rebooted on Feb 28, 2019 1:29:59 GMT -5
Really bad writing unless she had the talk to 3 year old Piper before her powers were stripped.
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Post by Elle Em on Feb 28, 2019 8:08:52 GMT -5
This whole episode is ridiculous. The entire first episode of the series is about the surprise of magic being real and the sisters themselves being directly involved in it. The entire first season even is about this concept.
That '70s Episode makes it clear that the sisters had no idea they once had powers when they were kids. Pre-Witched in season 3 has the flashback where the sisters clearly know nothing about magic and Grams wanted to keep it from them forever. In season 4, Piper and Leo have the whole discussion about her not knowing about her magical destiny until she was an adult. I'm sure there are numerous other examples where this is made quite clear throughout the show.
And if they go back to being childlike, where was the mention of Prue? Piper and Phoebe grew up with her, not Paige. It was like they not only reverted in maturity, but went back to some alternate reality as well where Piper, Phoebe, and Paige had been the only sisters ever.
It's been a while since I've seen this episode, but I remember Piper acting like quite a brat. I don't know if she was meant to be portraying a teenager or something, but we also know that Piper wasn't always snarky and impatient like she was in the later seasons. A child portrayal of Piper should be soft-spoken and gentle.
I won't ever make it this far on a rewatch, but even if I did, I'd skip right over this episode.
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Post by Assassin Witch on Feb 28, 2019 14:41:11 GMT -5
I haven't seen this one in ages, but I wonder... Did they just de-age personality wise but maybe still retain all their memories?
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Post by prudencehalliwell on Feb 28, 2019 15:26:58 GMT -5
I haven't seen this one in ages, but I wonder... Did they just de-age personality wise but maybe still retain all their memories? Exactly. You nailed it. They just de-aged personality wise and still had their memories. I remember as Piper and Grams had a chat where Piper talks about Prue dying. They all still had their memories. This is exactly like Once Upon a Time. Prue and Phoebe acted like kids but still had their memories. |
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Post by Elle Em on Feb 28, 2019 15:41:41 GMT -5
But it wouldn't be them de-aging personality-wise if they had a false memory of Grams telling them about being a witch. She never did that. They wrote it in the show as though she told them when they were still kids, or at least before they themselves became witches, and that didn't happen. Unless she talked to them about it sometime after they became witches but before Prue died, and I'm not remembering it.
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Post by prudencehalliwell on Feb 28, 2019 15:57:52 GMT -5
Oh yes that part is wrong continuity wise with them mucking up what we knew from S1-3 with Grams. I was just mentioning that they retained their memories and didn't revert to children not remembering anything about their adult lives. Since they remember everything and Piper speaks of Leo losing his mind and Prue dying. If they truly reverted to childlike they wouldn't remember their adult lives and Piper wouldn't know Leo or her and Phoebe wouldn't know Paige.
Of course this episode made no sense. Yes. Grams never told them as children. That was clear in S1-3 as far as I remember.
Unless this episode is assuming she did and their memory got wiped once she bound their powers. But that still makes no sense as they'd remember that once Grams died or they had their powers un-bound. Nah that can't be it.
But S5-8 seemed to have this knowledge part of a changed continuity. Didn't Grams tell young Piper in Forever Charmed about her destiny one day too. I forgot?
Another case of a big continuity error. And S4-8 being an alternate universe separate from established continuity in S1-3.
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Post by Ruth Marie on Feb 28, 2019 17:28:01 GMT -5
They did have memories of their adult lives. Especially since Prue's death is mentioned.
But like was always the case. The show never kept tabs on continuity.
Your right Prudence. We did see Grams mention Piper is special but not a witch. But no Piper doesn't know she is a witch here as far as I know. But hinted about her destiny.
From Forever Charmed:
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Post by Elle Em on Feb 28, 2019 20:09:20 GMT -5
I see what you're saying, Prudence. That makes sense that they just had childlike minds with all their current knowledge retained.
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Post by ryang on Feb 28, 2019 22:33:26 GMT -5
It's hard to dislike any episode with Patty and Grams, but I rewatched it last night and cringed at that line.
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Post by Elle Em on Mar 1, 2019 9:23:22 GMT -5
It's bad that the writers didn't think about the continuity issue, but also Holly and Alyssa, who were not only there from the very beginning, but were producers at this point. I don't know if they either didn't notice or didn't care, but it's kind of disappointing.
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Post by BriannaWarren2.0 on Oct 19, 2020 19:32:37 GMT -5
Maybe Grams erased the memories of the girls since we see other characters get there powers stripped but still retaining memories of their powers?
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Post by imdb lives on on Oct 20, 2020 12:49:58 GMT -5
I guess they were so young they forgot all about being witches or she caste a spell or potion. She couldn't have talked to them about it as their powers were binded when Phoebe was born. It doesn't make sense how they had the talk unless she told them in a fairytale way like the woogeyman
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Post by missjessica on Oct 27, 2024 17:00:50 GMT -5
We just re-watched this one this weekend for the board. It's bad writing. The only thing to make it somewhat consistent is Grams only implying they are special without saying too much detail. But she DID say "witch talk" so I'm sure she meant telling them. But if they had written the lines better it could be Grams way of saying something without saying too much like she did in the Pre-Witched flashbacks where she kept saying "destiny".
She did say also when she sat Piper and her sisters down. So that implies they'd have to be old enough or in Phoebe's case at least 4 or 5.
She could've told them and then erased their memories sometime after. Maybe her way of testing them to see how they'd react and if they'd be ready.
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Post by Aaeiyn on Oct 27, 2024 18:23:17 GMT -5
We just re-watched this one this weekend for the board. It's bad writing. The only thing to make it somewhat consistent is Grams only implying they are special without saying too much detail. But she DID say "witch talk" so I'm sure she meant telling them. But if they had written the lines better it could be Grams way of saying something without saying too much like she did in the Pre-Witched flashbacks where she kept saying "destiny". She did say also when she sat Piper and her sisters down. So that implies they'd have to be old enough or in Phoebe's case at least 4 or 5. She could've told them and then erased their memories sometime after. Maybe her way of testing them to see how they'd react and if they'd be ready. Grams is canonically known for erasing memories, too. I believe in S6E11 "Witchstock" she said she would erase the memory of seeing her future granddaughters. I'm not sure if she does the same thing in S1E17 "That 70s Episode", as well. I think S4E14 "The Three Faces of Phoebe" it's mentioned Grams would erase little Phoebe's memory about her trip to the future. It's unknown if Grams actually murdered Prue's abusive ex (according to Piper's recollections/memory) or Grams altered his memory to forget about Prue, entirely and why none of them saw him ever again, as Piper says in S2E22 "Be Careful What You Witch For", he mysteriously disappeared/vanished. I'd like to think maybe Grams just altered his memory & not actually killed him, but that's neither here nor there. Even though, with Grams erasing memories, it'd be weird for Grams to "have the talk" and then erase their memories about it, afterward. Because even they didn't remember having powers as kids like S1E17 "That 70s Episode" shows, so I do wonder if Grams stripped them of their memories about it. IDK LOL I would think abusing the magic of erasing certain memories could've caused her little personal gain issue/consequence where certain memories were erased that she didn't want erased...as Leo fears whenever it's mentioned for him to use memory dust, on people. We do see the consequence of Leo's actions in trying to repress Piper's pain/memory of him leaving between S5E23 "Oh My Goddess, Pt 1" - S6E2 "Valhalley of the Dolls, Pt 2". And, how the Avatar's manipulated Paige's memory of Kyle Brody's death in S7E12 "Extreme Makeover: World Edition" - S7E13 "Charmageddon". Just goes to show we can't just willy nilly surpress/alter one's memories because of what Leo says in S4E11 "Trial by Magic". You just don't know what you're ACTUALLY erasing/altering. |
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