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Post by summerreading on Mar 8, 2019 19:25:41 GMT -5
That would have been great. I'll still wish that any sister that had a child waited until the end of the series, but if we HAD to have a child, I'd love if Wyatt was a girl. I wonder if Constance. ever thought about the sisters becoming mothers. Esp since it was a Season 1 and 2 theme in Secrets & Guys and then Reckless Abandoned At that time Phoebe was the most natural with the babies too. I don't know how, although, I think Freebie must have babysat. Did Connie envision Prue, Piper or Phoebe having kids and I wonder how she would have treated Paige...but I don't think she would have thought that far ahead...! That is a good point. I know we speculated about this, that perhaps Connie based Prue on her oldest sister who might have had a child, especially with what was set up in 'Secrets and Guys', and if Ted didn't leave, Prue and Andy had Melinda. But we'll never really know for sure. But I have to admit 'Morality Bites' took the fun all out of a sister having a child, Piper only wanted to be a mother by being influenced by what she saw in the future, she never wanted children before then. It felt like she saw it, and felt it was destined for her. Perhaps 'Morality Bites' didn't even need to time jump a decade, maybe a smaller jump to avoid having to show a sister married with children, but still setting up the same story. Then I'll wonder how Piper & Leo's relationship progresses naturally. |
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Post by rebooted on Mar 9, 2019 4:54:12 GMT -5
I wonder if Constance. ever thought about the sisters becoming mothers. Esp since it was a Season 1 and 2 theme in Secrets & Guys and then Reckless Abandoned At that time Phoebe was the most natural with the babies too. I don't know how, although, I think Freebie must have babysat. Did Connie envision Prue, Piper or Phoebe having kids and I wonder how she would have treated Paige...but I don't think she would have thought that far ahead...! That is a good point. I know we speculated about this, that perhaps Connie based Prue on her oldest sister who might have had a child, especially with what was set up in 'Secrets and Guys', and if Ted didn't leave, Prue and Andy had Melinda. But we'll never really know for sure. But I have to admit 'Morality Bites' took the fun all out of a sister having a child, Piper only wanted to be a mother by being influenced by what she saw in the future, she never wanted children before then. It felt like she saw it, and felt it was destined for her. Perhaps 'Morality Bites' didn't even need to time jump a decade, maybe a smaller jump to avoid having to show a sister married with children, but still setting up the same story. Then I'll wonder how Piper & Leo's relationship progresses naturally. I just couldn't see Prue as a Mom. At least not without Andy being the Dad. And a stay-at-home dad at that! I think Connie always thought of Piper being the neurotic mother and she was the 'heart of the familly'. Phoebe would have been a fantastic mother and been totally obsessed with trying to be a new age book Mom who taught her kids her own streetsmarts! |
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Post by Elle Em on Mar 9, 2019 7:56:48 GMT -5
Phoebe would have been a fantastic mother and been totally obsessed with trying to be a new age book Mom who taught her kids her own streetsmarts! The street smarts thing is why somebody like Phoebe strikes me as being more of a cool aunt than somebody's mother. Imagine if she had kept some of those season 1 characteristics throughout the show and taught her nieces and nephews all sorts of fun things behind their moms' backs. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Mar 9, 2019 10:01:03 GMT -5
Phoebe would have been a fantastic mother and been totally obsessed with trying to be a new age book Mom who taught her kids her own streetsmarts! The street smarts thing is why somebody like Phoebe strikes me as being more of a cool aunt than somebody's mother. Imagine if she had kept some of those season 1 characteristics throughout the show and taught her nieces and nephews all sorts of fun things behind their moms' backs. You're right. But then I see all four Charmed Ones as better aunt-material than mother-material. Prue's the one I see as the best mother, but as has been pointed out, she'd be the one who would probably least want to be a mom after having helped raised Piper and Phoebe. In the same way, I see all three of the original Charmed Ones happiest unmarried. They were all at their best when they didn't have a significant other. Paige is an exception and I can see her and Henry fostering non-magical teenagers, since both were adopted, but still keeping enough independence so she wasn't totally tied down. They'd be the only ones I'd want to see married. But then she wasn't raised by Penny Halliwell...lucky her! It's why I like the idea of Andy surviving and him and Prue being the ones who have the daughter in 'Morality Bites' future while Piper is blonde with a ton of P3s all over the world and a sexy driver. Unlike what happened with Piper, I think 'Morality Bites' would've shown Prue that with their jobs, her and Andy getting married is not a good idea, while still remaining friends and allies is. I'd like to have seen Andy marrying someone non-magical and later having a child with her - Prue's godchild - as part of the last episode of the series. |
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Post by peytonmarie on Mar 10, 2019 10:35:46 GMT -5
I love your idea of the future if Andy survived, Es. I think that makes a lot more sense for both Prue and Piper. Plus, with Andy being in law enforcement, he may very well be one of the witch-hunters. The contention between him and Prue over how best to protect their daughter would've been a lot more interesting than Piper and Leo's, in my opinion.
They really tried to push the idea that Piper and Leo's love was transcendent (they even have Leo say that... gimme a break). But in their past lives, Piper was married to Dan while Leo was the side action she dumped. In the future, they were *divorced.* These are not promising signs! If I were Piper, it would convince me that our love was doomed, not destined.
I think Piper would've been happy as a successful businesswoman, both seeing it in the future and living it.
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Post by Esmeralda on Mar 10, 2019 10:41:42 GMT -5
I love your idea of the future if Andy survived, Es. I think that makes a lot more sense for both Prue and Piper. Plus, with Andy being in law enforcement, he may very well be one of the witch-hunters. The contention between him and Prue over how best to protect their daughter would've been a lot more interesting than Piper and Leo's, in my opinion. They really tried to push the idea that Piper and Leo's love was transcendent (they even have Leo say that... gimme a break). But in their past lives, Piper was married to Dan while Leo was the side action she dumped. In the future, they were *divorced.* These are not promising signs! If I were Piper, it would convince me that our love was doomed, not destined. I think Piper would've been happy as a successful businesswoman, both seeing it in the future and living it. Yeah, it's all part of the show actually taking a turn for the worst when Ted King decided to leave the show. From what I've read (and it could be spin, but...), he thought Andy would always be over-shadowed by the sisters because Connie wanted it female-centric. Thinking of how Leo, Cole and Chris overshadowed the sisters, it's too bad he couldn't see the future easier. |
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Post by peytonmarie on Mar 10, 2019 10:53:34 GMT -5
It sure is depressing to see the way it changed. I'm surprised S8 didn't introduce Bill and Chris as opposed to Billie and Christy.
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Post by Elle Em on Mar 10, 2019 10:59:42 GMT -5
It's why I like the idea of Andy surviving and him and Prue being the ones who have the daughter in 'Morality Bites' future while Piper is blonde with a ton of P3s all over the world and a sexy driver. Unlike what happened with Piper, I think 'Morality Bites' would've shown Prue that with their jobs, her and Andy getting married is not a good idea, while still remaining friends and allies is. I'd like to have seen Andy marrying someone non-magical and later having a child with her - Prue's godchild - as part of the last episode of the series. The idea of Prue being a godmother to Andy's child is really beautiful. The fact that they were together all the way back in high school and knew each other since they were kids is a little too much of a fairy tale to realistically lead to a happy ending. So many times, stories force characters together because of an intertwined past or some other reason that isn't good enough. I myself would love for Andy and Prue to both survive and end up together, but the idea of them realizing that though they may love each other but still not be able to have a relationship shows a real maturity that goes beyond two characters just being cute together. It lets them have a deeper bond, in a way, than they might have had if they had decided to be together, because they don't need romantic love to express their devotion to each other as people who deeply trust one another. |
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Post by BriannaWarren2.0 on Feb 1, 2021 14:32:02 GMT -5
I like that they named the firstborn "Wyatt." It was never in question that their children would be anything but a Halliwell. So using Leo's last name as first, I love. With Chris, we do not know his middle name. I headcanon his full name to be Christopher Victor Halliwell. (And Perry is Bianca's last name.) So he was named after both grandfathers. The actual naming of the kids was well done. I love that! Some of the names that the Wikia has chosen for Phoebe's children, example: Parker and Peyton are names that I wouldn't see Phoebe choosing, I could see her possibly use Prudence but I believe she would have asked Piper's permission or either given the name to her because of how close they were, I could see her giving her first daughter the name of Penelope to symbolise her Grams, who never gave up on her and the middle name of Kyra, the Demon who taught her to believe in her magic again. So her full name would be Penelope Kyra Halliwell, who she calls her Ladybug. Even the names that Paige's children has are names that I believe Paige wouldn't have chosen, it sucks that we don't know her adoptive parents first names because that would be a start, however I believe she would have named her twin girls after her biological and adoptive mother since both of them had an impact on her life, Patricia and (Unknown) Mitchell and Henry Leonardo Mitchell II, after the man who helped her grieve and to forgive herself. Thats my headcanon anyways. |
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Post by peytonmarie on Apr 18, 2021 15:29:09 GMT -5
So her full name would be Penelope Kyra Halliwell, who she calls her Ladybug. Penelope Kyra is a beautiful name! And would make so much more sense. As far as we know, the names Parker and Peyton hold no significance for Phoebe and if she's deliberately sticking with the 'P' tradition, how could she not go with Patricia? Or something else close to her heart? |
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Post by BriannaWarren2.0 on Apr 20, 2021 17:38:51 GMT -5
So her full name would be Penelope Kyra Halliwell, who she calls her Ladybug. Penelope Kyra is a beautiful name! And would make so much more sense. As far as we know, the names Parker and Peyton hold no significance for Phoebe and if she's deliberately sticking with the 'P' tradition, how could she not go with Patricia? Or something else close to her heart? Thank you! I have always loved it if she had called her first daughter after the women who helped her along the way, Grams because no matter how much trouble she caused while she was growing up her grandmother was always there for her and Kyra after the demon who made her believe again. I would also have assumed that Phoebe would have suggested that Prue's memory lives through Piper since she was closer to her than Phoebe was therefore gifting the name Prudence to her. |
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Post by Esmeralda on May 15, 2021 11:03:12 GMT -5
Good point about Phoebe. She was taken care of the longest. She wouldn't know what it was like to be responsible for someone else like any of her sisters. I can see her viewing the idea of kids as an adventure, while any one of her sisters might see it as tiring. I can see PhoeME having a child and then getting rid of Coop (since all she wanted was the kid, not love) and then finding that raising a child is too tiring and giving the child to Paige to raise while she goes back to enjoying being single, bouncing from guy to guy, getting rid of him as soon as she's bored. I see her that way much more than married with three children, just like I would've preferred Piper as a businesswoman with a non-magical man who's a friend with benefits. This leaves Paige and Henry who would foster magical kids (including Phoebe's and any Piper has - this version leaves out Leo, Wyatt and Chris as they'd never make Piper happy - I think the ending of 'Forever Crap', I mean 'Forever Piper', I mean 'Forever Charmed' is her dream, not her reality). This way all three are happy and Melinda Warren is right - the Warrens CULMINATE (end) with the Charmed Ones. |
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Post by cookieheart on Jun 13, 2021 18:17:30 GMT -5
Good point about Phoebe. She was taken care of the longest. She wouldn't know what it was like to be responsible for someone else like any of her sisters. I can see her viewing the idea of kids as an adventure, while any one of her sisters might see it as tiring. I can see PhoeME having a child and then getting rid of Coop (since all she wanted was the kid, not love) and then finding that raising a child is too tiring and giving the child to Paige to raise while she goes back to enjoying being single, bouncing from guy to guy, getting rid of him as soon as she's bored. I see her that way much more than married with three children, just like I would've preferred Piper as a businesswoman with a non-magical man who's a friend with benefits. This leaves Paige and Henry who would foster magical kids (including Phoebe's and any Piper has - this version leaves out Leo, Wyatt and Chris as they'd never make Piper happy - I think the ending of 'Forever Crap', I mean 'Forever Piper', I mean 'Forever Charmed' is her dream, not her reality). This way all three are happy and Melinda Warren is right - the Warrens CULMINATE (end) with the Charmed Ones. But didn’t the Warren line basically culminate with the charmed ones? With Paige a witchlighter, Leo a whitelighter and coop a cupid there aren’t any "true" Warren heir (or heiresses as it should be), they all are kind of half breeds, even Cole and Phoebe unborn baby was a half breed. That was the only thing that made sense to me with all those unnecessary kids, that none of them where actually pure Warren witches and therefore Melindas vision wasn’t proven wrong. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Jun 13, 2021 19:04:46 GMT -5
I can see PhoeME having a child and then getting rid of Coop (since all she wanted was the kid, not love) and then finding that raising a child is too tiring and giving the child to Paige to raise while she goes back to enjoying being single, bouncing from guy to guy, getting rid of him as soon as she's bored. I see her that way much more than married with three children, just like I would've preferred Piper as a businesswoman with a non-magical man who's a friend with benefits. This leaves Paige and Henry who would foster magical kids (including Phoebe's and any Piper has - this version leaves out Leo, Wyatt and Chris as they'd never make Piper happy - I think the ending of 'Forever Crap', I mean 'Forever Piper', I mean 'Forever Charmed' is her dream, not her reality). This way all three are happy and Melinda Warren is right - the Warrens CULMINATE (end) with the Charmed Ones. But didn’t the Warren line basically culminate with the charmed ones? With Paige a witchlighter, Leo a whitelighter and coop a cupid there aren’t any "true" Warren heir (or heiresses as it should be), they all are kind of half breeds, even Cole and Phoebe unborn baby was a half breed. That was the only thing that made sense to me with all those unnecessary kids, that none of them where actually pure Warren witches and therefore Melindas vision wasn’t proven wrong. *nods* That makes plenty of sense! |
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Post by rebooted on Mar 7, 2022 23:50:47 GMT -5
Was just thinking about the spelling of Wyatt name actually being Pwyatt or Pyatt with a silent P infront of it. To keep with the P tradition
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