Wyatt was originally supposed to be Phoebe and Cole's?

[fallingsnow6136]

Hi everyone!
I think too much but I find it a little too convenient that Phoebe loses her baby and Piper suddenly becomes pregnant in the following episode so I headcanon (I'm a fanfic writer so sue me ) that Wyatt was originally supposed to be Phoebe and Cole's son, which was why evil wanted him because Cole had been the source. I think Phoebe was supposed to be the sister who had the Twice-Blessed Child but the reason she didn't because Wyatt would have been more cursed than blessed if had half-demon (Source) influencing him. What do other people think?

[Elle Em]

I like the idea that Wyatt has the soul of Phoebe and Cole's child but is the biological child of Piper and Leo. It also seemed a bit too convenient to me that Phoebe loses her baby and Piper is pregnant so soon after, especially after struggling to get that way for a few months at that point.

[fallingsnow6136]

That's why I think Wyatt was supposed to be Phoebe and Cole's son, not Piper and Leo's. It would also be a better explanation because Wyatt turns evil in the future and it would make more sense if Gideon wanted to kill Wyatt because he was the child of the former Source.

[gzv969]

I remember arguing on this topic some years ago on the old WB boards. This was my belief. Some may disagree.

I believe Wyatt was piper and Leo’s but his birth was influenced by evil. The seer infused chocolate with a fertility spell magically created to sire a son. Coles blood was part of the ritual. Remember piper also ate the chocolate. So what if that resulted in piper giving birth to a male instead? It was never figured out what happened and why a male. Wyatt having a certain amount of evil influence (maybe the seers spell with Coles blood and magic) mixed in with being born of a charmed one, resulting in being a male child too powerful with the tendency to go either way. Very Good or very Source like Bad.

[ljones]

Why do we need this explanation for Wyatt's potential to become evil? He was a human being. A sentient being. He, along with his parents, his aunts and every other individual - magical or otherwise - had the potential for both good and evil. Why conjure up this explanation that the reason behind Wyatt's potential for evil came from the Seer's fertility spell (in which Cole's blood was a part of) used on a piece of chocolate? Why do we need these damn labels? The Charmed Ones are supposed to be adults, not kids.

This is why this show has been such a big source of frustration for me. It had this potential to develop from this black-and-white mentality and show how ambiguous the magical world can be. And yet . . . I don't know what else to say.

[fallingsnow6136]

Well, the only reason I thought so is because very soon after Phoebe loses her baby, Piper conveniently is able to get pregnant when in fact the episode before, she mentioned it might be impossible for her to ever concieve. It just made no sense logically.

[Esmeralda]

Although I also think that Wyatt was originally supposed to be the Phoetus and that indeed Wyatt might have the Phoetus' soul, I think it had absolutely NOTHING to do with the chocolate. The chocolate only allowed Phoebe's body to accept demon seed. The chocolate made her horny, but receptive to demon seed. LEO DID NOT SHOOT DEMON SEED! 

Remember this part (bolding mine)

Seer: If my fertility ritual fails, the show's over anyway. Tomorrow's harvest moon will be the one chance to impregnate your wife. The power of the moon combined with this tonic will make her fertile to a demon's seed, and override any preventative measures she's taken. Her favourite sweet?

Cole: Chocolate.

Seer: Then I'll mix it with the chocolate. You must feed it to her in the morning, and then finish the job when the moon is high in the night's sky. And if you succeed, the evil spawn growing inside her will influence her only for lenience so that when she does discover the truth, she will bend to your will.

Cole: She will bend to her love for me.

(The Seer picks up a knife and moves closer to Cole.) Seer: For the tonic. (She cuts his hand and he drips his blood into the cauldron.)

SOURCE: transcripts.foreverdreaming.org/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=4860


Personally I think Piper became pregnant (possibly with the Phoetus' soul) when they turned down the Angel of Destiny's offer to let them live normal lives. Had they agreed, Piper would've had Melinda. As is, she had Wyatt and their destiny changed from protecting innocents to protecting the Twice-Blessed Brat.

[fallingsnow6136]

Piper still had Melinda though, just not in the actual series. Melinda is Wyatt's baby sister...I literally say baby cause canonically she's younger than both Wyatt and Chris (a lot younger if we go by the comics)

[summerreading]

I disagree, she ISN'T the same little girl we saw in Morality Bites. And she isn't Melinda, we never got a name in the canon.

[Granny Charmed]

We have the original script for Forever Charmed. GDC (my granddaughter) has copied it to share, if anyone is interested dears. 

In it, Piper's youngest daughter IS named Melinda (of course this can't be the same Melinda from the future that no longer exists, as that girl got replaced by Wyatt, and I'm pretty sure that one in that future didn't have any hybrid powers), and Piper and Leo's first grandson is named Matthew. They sure used the name Matthew often on Charmed, didn't they. 

[summerreading]

Thanks for sharing that Charmed Family.

Interesting that Male witches are named as Wizards in this script. Did Charmed ever call male witches attending magic school Wizards?

LOL, Kern can't add. The year is wrong in the script. Wyatt can't be 10 in 2010, he was born in 2003. So this should be 2013 Kern NOT 2010.

But, if Chris and Melinda are 8 and 5 in this flashforward scene (according to the shooting script), they are 3 years apart. So Piper would have been pregnant with her youngest daughter Melinda, not long after the final episode.

[fallingsnow6136]

So Melinda is literally Wyatt's baby sister, they have 5 years between them, lol I realise that makes Chris the middle child.

[Esmeralda]

But again, when writing in the Book, Piper never said her daughter's name - she never even said she'd had a daughter. We saw the boys with a girl so most fans think that's their sister. But especially because Piper looked pregnant (because Holly was...), she could've just as easily been a cousin. And because the comics are NOT canon (even Paul Ruditis who wrote them has said they aren't), we very simply don't know who the little girl is and what's her name. When Wyatt was born, Piper said they could no longer call him Prudence. So unless Phoebe had the first girl and named her Prudence (she's the second-born girl in the comics - I can't believe that the oldest daughter wasn't Prudence), then I'll always believe that Piper's daughter's name is Prudence Melinda no matter what the script says. If they didn't think her name was important enough to have Piper mention her name or that she had a daughter, why should I?

The same is true for Phoebe's daughters and Paige's twins. The only ones given during the show a name are Henry Jr and grandson Matthew - Kern did his best to keep the show male-centric. Hence you can call the girls whatever you want and you're right, just like if another fan calls them something else, they're just as right.

I also believe that Prudence Melinda turned into Wyatt Matthew when the sisters agreed to continue their destiny, but the destiny changed from being protecting innocents (which is why I call the Angel of Destiny the DEMON of Destiny...) to protecting the Twice-Blessed Brat.

And like Granny Charmed, I don't think "Morality Bite's Melinda had any whitelighter powers but only a single witch power - Kern was the one who gave Paige so many whitelighter powers to make the show "new and fresh" after firing Shannen. I will never believe that that would've happened if Kern had left the show rather than Burge, so I'll never believe that of 'Morality Bite's Melinda (who lived in a universe where Prue was alive when she was born, hence why she was Melinda and not Prudence), even if her also being a Twice-Blessed Child with all of the powers because she was born on the same magical day as Wyatt, just in another universe, helped inspire GZV's fantastic fanfic, "Morality Takes a Bite Back", where Prue, her whitelighter husband Andy, their daughter Vicki and niece Melinda from the "Morality Bites" universe run into Piper, Leo, Wyatt, Chris, Phoebe, Coop, Paige and Henry. In fanfics, you can do just about anything. After all, if Charmed could be so darn inconsistent, why can't fanfics?

[Esmeralda]

Here's what was actually said on the show and what's actually canon. Please note who is named and who isn't, no matter what the script said - if it wasn't important enough to make the final cut, it's not canon (bolding mine):

Piper: Well, I think we should write everything down. Everything that happened, everything we want future generations to know, so that we can pass it down, just like it was passed down to us.

(Phoebe smiles. Paige nods.)

Paige: After you.

(Piper turns the Book. Phoebe finds a blank page and uncaps a pen, then writes.)

Phoebe: (Voice Over) So much has happened over the last eight years. So much has been gained and lost. Still, in some ways, I feel like my life is really just beginning.

[Scene: Magic School, future. The Angel of Destiny is marrying Phoebe and Coop with the family around.]

Angel of Destiny: Do you, Phoebe Halliwell, take this man to be your lawfully wedded husband?

Phoebe: I do.

Phoebe: (Voice Over) And it was. For though I had loved before, I'd never really known love until I met Coop.

(She and Coop kiss.)

[Scene: Phoebe's loft. Phoebe, pregnant, rushes out with Coop.]

Phoebe: (Voice Over) A man who I shared this special little girl…

Phoebe: Yes, I am okay.

(Coop picks up a bag.)

Phoebe: (Voice Over) I had long ago foreseen, but feared I might have never have.

(Two girls run and hug her.)

Daughters: Mommy, we love you!

Phoebe: I love you too.

(She kisses their heads. Coop joins them.)

Phoebe: (Voice Over) Along with two other special little girls, I had not foreseen. (The girls go to Billie as Phoebe and Coop rush out. Phoebe drops something, but Coop picks it up.) I was suddenly so blessed to have a new family of my own, and old friends to share it with.

(Billie hugs the girls and they wave.)

Daughter: Bye, mommy!

[Scene: Bay Mirror. Phoebe types on her computer.]

Phoebe: (Voice Over) And though I kept working and giving advice to those who asked, I was more interested in helping them find love, since, finally, having been loved.

(Her poster behind her says Phoebe's ‘Finding Love.')

[Cut to Manor, Present. Dining room. Paige writes in the Book of Shadows.]

Paige: (Voice Over) Phoebe had become somewhat of an expert on the subject. As for me? Life without demons opened up similar avenues.

[Scene: Police Station, Future. Henry brings in a teen.] Paige: (Voice Over) Henry of course, continued to look after his parolees, even if they didn't want to be looked after… (Henry sees Paige and the kids, a boy and two girls.) While still making time to help me with little Henry and the twins.

(He kneels down and the kids hug him. They squeal with delight.)

Henry: There's my girls!

Paige: (Voice Over) Which allowed me time to finally embrace my inner Whitelighter.

[Scene: Alley. A Darklighter fires a crossbow at Paige as a woman cowers behind her.]

Paige: Arrow!

(She orbs it back to the Darklighter and he is vanquished. Paige helps the girl up.)

Paige: (Voice Over) And to help the next generation of witches come into their own.

[Cut to Manor, Present. Piper writes.]

Piper: (Voice Over) So that Paige could pass on all that she'd learned, not just to her own children, or to mine, or to Phoebe's…

[Scene: Manor, future. Piper and Leo are in the parlor. Piper hands out lunch bags to two boys and a girl.]

Piper: See you later.

(The children leave. Piper and Leo kiss.)

Piper: (Voice Over) But to other future witches and Whitelighters as well. [Scene: Manor. Chris and Wyatt are mixing up a potion.]

Piper: (Voice Over) Which filled the time between when we were doing the fighting, and when our kids were old enough to take over.

(Chris adds something and there's a small explosion.)

[Scene: Manor, kitchen. Piper is cooking something on the stove.]

Piper: (Voice Over) Allowing me time to get back to my roots and cook something other than potions, for once. (Piper tastes the sauce.) And open the restaurant I'd always dreamed of owning. (She puts the spoon down and pours it in.) As for Leo, after we reclaimed Magic School…

[Scene: Magic School. Leo is teaching.]

Piper: (Voice Over) He went back to teaching.

Leo: So who'd like to try it first? (The kids raise their hands. Leo points to a boy. The boy holds out his hand and orbs a book to him.)

Piper: (Voice Over) Which he continued to do until it was time to retire.

Leo: Awesome. Great job, Matthew.

(He takes the book.)

Piper: (Voice Over) And although we certainly had our struggles…

[Scene: Manor, Living room, future. Old Piper sits in a chair with a girl, reading the Book of Shadows.] Old Piper: And heartaches over the years, we're a family of survivors and we will always be. Which is why we've truly been Charmed.

Girl: Again, Grandmamma, again.

(Old Piper chuckles and closes the Book.)

Old Piper: Oh, dear. No, I can't. I need to rest. But you can look at it for a little while if you'd like, hmmm? (She kisses her head and stands up. Old Leo waits nearby.) After all, it'll be yours one day.

(She takes Leo's hand and they head upstairs. Girl opens the Book.)

[Cut to stairs. Old Leo and Old Piper head up as photos are shown of Wyatt, Chris, Leo, Piper, Grams, Patty, Victor, and the sisters.]

[Cut to front door. It opens and children run in. Girl waves her hand after they come in and the door is closed.]

End

SOURCE: transcripts.foreverdreaming.org/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=6348

Please note that there is no picture on the wall of Piper's daughter, nor is there a girl mixing the potion with Wyatt and Chris.  If Kern wanted that little girl to be their sister, she should've been on the wall and with her brothers.  Hence why I don't think she is - Piper and Leo only had the two boys - to me, that and no girl's name mentioned is all part of Kern keeping the series male-centric where the only way a woman is fulfilled is when she's married and has kids.  B.S.!!!!!!!

And, yes, I know the Wikipedia says otherwise, but that's THEIR head canon, not true canon, which is what was shown onscreen.

[fallingsnow6136]

I like to think Melinda is Wyatt and Chris's little sister but because of what you said about Kern wanting to keep it male-centric, she was treated as a non-character. Wiki, the comics and pretty much everywhere else I've seen has all the Charmed ones having 3 kids each. Henry Jr. is still the worst name ever though.

[Esmeralda]

Mar 14, 2020 17:06:05 GMT -5 fallingsnow6136 said:

I like to think Melinda is Wyatt and Chris's little sister but because of what you said about Kern wanting to keep it male-centric, she was treated as a non-character. Wiki, the comics and pretty much everywhere else I've seen has all the Charmed ones having 3 kids each. Henry Jr. is still the worst name ever though.

As I said, it's become fanon due to the comics. So if you want to use those names, go for it. If you want to change any of them, go for it.

I definitely agree with you regarding Paige's son. For me, I'd never think that Paige and Henry would name their son Henry Jr, so he'll always be Matthew Henry Mitchell to me.

But I also remember what Old Piper did say, "And although we certainly had our struggles….And heartaches over the years, we're a family of survivors and we will always be. Which is why we've truly been Charmed." For me (and I emphasize that this is for me only - I don't expect ANYONE to make it part of their own head canon), one of those heartaches they suffered was the loss of their baby daughter so they always just had the boys and the little girl we see with them who Piper never mentions is a cousin.

So first Piper had and lost Prudence Melinda and then Phoebe had Prudence Patricia (definitely not PJ - she's Prudence. I HATE that the only kid with a nickname in the comics is the one named after Prue, so her name isn't used until Prue herself shows up.) For me, her sisters are Patricia and Penelope. And because Prudence can still move things with her mind, Patricia can still freeze time and now Penelope can see the future, they're the next Charmed Ones - Grams, Patty and Prue get their chance! Grams has premonitions because she misused her powers so much, like Phoebe got them because she misused her powers as P. Russell.

But again that's just my own head canon, based on what Piper says and what the show shows, and who I'd want to see as the next Charmed Ones - Grams, Patty and Prue reincarnated. No way I expect others to go along with it, just like they don't have to go along with comics.

[Aaeiyn]

I don't, particularly, believe Wyatt, specifically, was supposed to be Phoebe & Cole's. Piper did eat those same chocolates to help her "be in the mood", and that's how Piper (to use your words) "all of sudden" becomes pregnant. Wyatt was always Piper & Leo's. That's how I choose to interpret it, anyway.