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Post by forbuss on Sept 13, 2020 9:39:49 GMT -5
Hmmm. Did powers have an alignment? The show sortof didn't utilize warlocks or evil witches much. But to my knowledge, powers didn't have an alignment, other than Whitelighters powers - because these were given to people after death. But in terms of witches, I think they sortof freely had the choice to 'decide' whether how they would use their powers. But I think I know what you mean - certain powers were associated with good or evil. Like how throwing fire was usually considered evil - because I guess fire is an evil element (haha)? And how demons didn't orb, they were blinking or flaming or shimmering etc. Another example is Aviva's power in The Fourth Sister - the melting power, it was given by the demon, and I guess it allegedly worked similarly to Pipers power. When Phoebe was throwing fire, Leo told her it was "an upper-level demonic power", but why couldn't this have been good in another circumstance? Off the top of my head, the powers that were shown going either way (and neutral in some cases) were: premonitions, telekinesis, rewinding time (only shown as evil and neutral - the Cleaners, the Avatars, Tempest), conjuring, freezing time (I'm not sure if what the Avatars and the Triad could do constitute the same as Pipers...) and there are probably more. Why were these powers dualistic, balanced, whereas others were one sided? That's what I meant, thank you. I mean, I just wished that powers weren't associated with either side and they were neutral, I think that would have been way more interesting if a witch had a teleportation power, which I kinda wished Phoebe got, imagine if she received Blinking, after a premonition she can go directly there. Oooo I've never considered this, but I LOVE this idea. Instead of blinking I think it would be cool if she could have created "doors" or "portals". Phoebe could be at home, and then create a portal and walk through it and be at The Bay Mirror. This could also be used offensively - Phoebe opens a portal and Piper blasts a demon into it, and Phoebe closes the portal - sending the demon somewhere else... And like you said, she could have a premonition and then create a door to get there. I know Paige could orb demons and people in the later seasons, but maybe it would have been cool to give Phoebe this type of ability. |
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Post by BriannaWarren2.0 on Sept 13, 2020 11:01:53 GMT -5
That's what I meant, thank you. I mean, I just wished that powers weren't associated with either side and they were neutral, I think that would have been way more interesting if a witch had a teleportation power, which I kinda wished Phoebe got, imagine if she received Blinking, after a premonition she can go directly there. Oooo I've never considered this, but I LOVE this idea. Instead of blinking I think it would be cool if she could have created "doors" or "portals". Phoebe could be at home, and then create a portal and walk through it and be at The Bay Mirror. This could also be used offensively - Phoebe opens a portal and Piper blasts a demon into it, and Phoebe closes the portal - sending the demon somewhere else... And like you said, she could have a premonition and then create a door to get there. I know Paige could orb demons and people in the later seasons, but maybe it would have been cool to give Phoebe this type of ability. That is actually a way better idea than mine. I love it. |
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Post by forbuss on Sept 13, 2020 11:57:55 GMT -5
Oooo I've never considered this, but I LOVE this idea. Instead of blinking I think it would be cool if she could have created "doors" or "portals". Phoebe could be at home, and then create a portal and walk through it and be at The Bay Mirror. This could also be used offensively - Phoebe opens a portal and Piper blasts a demon into it, and Phoebe closes the portal - sending the demon somewhere else... And like you said, she could have a premonition and then create a door to get there. I know Paige could orb demons and people in the later seasons, but maybe it would have been cool to give Phoebe this type of ability. That is actually a way better idea than mine. I love it. I just came up with it (haha). This could also be easily explained as an extension of her premonitions - it could be a psychic door. Also, I would have loved Phoebe having the psychic shield type power. |
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Post by BriannaWarren2.0 on Sept 13, 2020 19:04:54 GMT -5
That is actually a way better idea than mine. I love it. I just came up with it (haha). This could also be easily explained as an extension of her premonitions - it could be a psychic door. Also, I would have loved Phoebe having the psychic shield type power. I actually love this whole thing. |
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Post by forbuss on Sept 28, 2020 19:31:07 GMT -5
I just came up with it (haha). This could also be easily explained as an extension of her premonitions - it could be a psychic door. Also, I would have loved Phoebe having the psychic shield type power. I actually love this whole thing. It makes you wonder why some writers have their jobs - maybe the reality is Brad Kern didn't really care so that's why there wasn't ideas. The thing is that Charmed is the type of show where you could do anything - they are literally running around vanquishing demons. It seems like the took all the wrong turns they good (fairy tale creatures) and didn't explore all the roads they could have. Maybe they just got an idea in their heads of what they wanted and that was it... I still wish that the sisters used more spells regularly. I always enjoyed the episodes that had good spells. |
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Post by Ruth Marie on Sept 28, 2020 20:19:34 GMT -5
I actually love this whole thing. It makes you wonder why some writers have their jobs - maybe the reality is Brad Kern didn't really care so that's why there wasn't ideas. The thing is that Charmed is the type of show where you could do anything - they are literally running around vanquishing demons. It seems like the took all the wrong turns they good (fairy tale creatures) and didn't explore all the roads they could have. Maybe they just got an idea in their heads of what they wanted and that was it... I still wish that the sisters used more spells regularly. I always enjoyed the episodes that had good spells. Kern cared little about the show, it was just a job to make money, with all we know about him now, it fits. He was the only writer on the show for the whole run, and so many inconsistencies even with the ones he wrote. It felt liked they just threw ideas at the wall and did whatever worked at the time, and whatever was current (e.g magic school with Harry Potter, pirates (the crappy S7 episode) or just find anything from Greek Mythologies (and the Valyries on S6 are so embarrassing, they are Amazons not Valkyries or A Call to Arms with healing with another culture in a cliche way . No thought process, and half the Charmed novels managed to come up with much more interesting stories and plots and did a better job half the time than anything the show did (might have to do that they didn't have to work under Kern to write those stories) when they handled magical creatures, I sure wished half those novels were real episodes over half the stuff the show and Kern wrote. I wished they used spells more regularly, and used the Power of Three too, not just potions and Piper's power. Boring! |
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Post by forbuss on Sept 28, 2020 21:06:45 GMT -5
It makes you wonder why some writers have their jobs - maybe the reality is Brad Kern didn't really care so that's why there wasn't ideas. The thing is that Charmed is the type of show where you could do anything - they are literally running around vanquishing demons. It seems like the took all the wrong turns they good (fairy tale creatures) and didn't explore all the roads they could have. Maybe they just got an idea in their heads of what they wanted and that was it... I still wish that the sisters used more spells regularly. I always enjoyed the episodes that had good spells. Kern cared little about the show, it was just a job to make money, with all we know about him now, it fits. He was the only writer on the show for the whole run, and so many inconsistencies even with the ones he wrote. It felt liked they just threw ideas at the wall and did whatever worked at the time, and whatever was current (e.g magic school with Harry Potter, pirates (the crappy S7 episode) or just find anything from Greek Mythologies (and the Valyries on S6 are so embarrassing, they are Amazons not Valkyries or A Call to Arms with healing with another culture in a cliche way . Honestly, this point you are making reminds me SO much of the show 'Once Upon a Time' - it started out with very defined classic fairytale characters. At one point in the show, shortly after Frozen came out, they literally introduced the characters from it and involved them in a season long plot. It was so tacky and clearly trying to ride off the success of another franchise. Doesn't anyone have their own ideas anymore?! |
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Post by BriannaWarren2.0 on Sept 30, 2020 23:07:18 GMT -5
I actually love this whole thing. It makes you wonder why some writers have their jobs - maybe the reality is Brad Kern didn't really care so that's why there wasn't ideas. The thing is that Charmed is the type of show where you could do anything - they are literally running around vanquishing demons. It seems like the took all the wrong turns they good (fairy tale creatures) and didn't explore all the roads they could have. Maybe they just got an idea in their heads of what they wanted and that was it... I still wish that the sisters used more spells regularly. I always enjoyed the episodes that had good spells. I believe that some writers shouldn't have their jobs, it seems like the writers of Charmed didn't think long terms especially with their lore. For example; I like the notion that powers are inherited rather than given. So when Balthazar was vanquished, why didn't Cole keep the powers given to him by his mother (Shimmering, Energy Balls, Sensing). |
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Post by Ruth Marie on Oct 4, 2020 20:57:02 GMT -5
Kern cared little about the show, it was just a job to make money, with all we know about him now, it fits. He was the only writer on the show for the whole run, and so many inconsistencies even with the ones he wrote. It felt liked they just threw ideas at the wall and did whatever worked at the time, and whatever was current (e.g magic school with Harry Potter, pirates (the crappy S7 episode) or just find anything from Greek Mythologies (and the Valyries on S6 are so embarrassing, they are Amazons not Valkyries or A Call to Arms with healing with another culture in a cliche way . Honestly, this point you are making reminds me SO much of the show 'Once Upon a Time' - it started out with very defined classic fairytale characters. At one point in the show, shortly after Frozen came out, they literally introduced the characters from it and involved them in a season long plot. It was so tacky and clearly trying to ride off the success of another franchise. Doesn't anyone have their own ideas anymore?! Couldn't agree more. I did watch that show and liked it, but stopped watching when they used the Frozen stuff. They had more original ideas in S1-S4 of Charmed, but after then, half their ideas were just trends from what was current or going for Greek and other mythologies for ideas. I'm finding this with today's shows, they all rely so much on what's current and riding on the success of another franchise, it's why I don't watch too much television today, and am picky about what I watch. |
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Post by forbuss on Oct 4, 2020 23:10:17 GMT -5
Honestly, this point you are making reminds me SO much of the show 'Once Upon a Time' - it started out with very defined classic fairytale characters. At one point in the show, shortly after Frozen came out, they literally introduced the characters from it and involved them in a season long plot. It was so tacky and clearly trying to ride off the success of another franchise. Doesn't anyone have their own ideas anymore?! Couldn't agree more. I did watch that show and liked it, but stopped watching when they used the Frozen stuff. They had more original ideas in S1-S4 of Charmed, but after then, half their ideas were just trends from what was current or going for Greek and other mythologies for ideas. I'm finding this with today's shows, they all rely so much on what's current and riding on the success of another franchise, it's why I don't watch too much television today, and am picky about what I watch. I agree with you. They don't let things breathe - just like how social issues are often plugged into shows immediately "after they happen" which is ironic because most social issues have been longstanding (racism, sexism and me too) and shows ignore them until they are in the news cycle or more prominent. I think Charmed was born out of a trend of supernatural shows - namely about women - were big all through the 90's. I know some heavily critique the Charmed episodes that deal directly with stuff like this (The Bare Witch Projec, Battle of the Hexes) but most shows weren't doing this at the time. Charmed also inherently was socially relevant because of the characters - strong successful and powerful women who were smart. That's pretty feminist in my opinion. |
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Post by zachary on Sept 10, 2021 11:10:49 GMT -5
forbuss, I've done some research and read interviews with Connie Burge about where the idea for the original powers came from. She said that she based them off both the sister's flaws and powers she'd give her own sisters and herself. Prue was very headstrong, and that instantly correlated to Telekinesis. Piper was always lacking time, being late, so she got freezing time. Phoebe had no "vision", so she got premonitions. I wish she would've dived deeper and told us more specifically what worked in her brain to put those powers together and such, because they are indeed cool and unique!
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