Phoebe's perfect career

[zoeysmom]

There's been a lot of chatter around Phoebe's career choices or what fans think her career choice should've been. What do you guys think her career should have been?
Personally, I like the idea of her having an occult shop, like someone suggested. Phoebe was so into being a witch in early seasons, and I can see her bonding with customers the way she did with innocents. She could maybe take over that occult bookstore that she visited with Prue in From Fear to Eternity and add some more non-book items for witchy people, like potion bottles, potion ingredients, candles, etc. I think it would also be kinda cool for her to have a shop cat. 
I also like the idea of her doing what she did in Season 1's The Power of Two: being a full-time witch and running errands like picking up groceries and her sisters' dry cleaning, but not as much as the idea of her running an occult shop. Her being a full-time witch would enable them to keep on top of the Charmed gig better. There'd be someone to pick up potion supplies, be better versed on the various demons, warlocks, etc. they deal with, and there'd be someone available to make actually make potions. Actually picking up potion supplies and brewing potions seems like it would be pretty time consuming, especially if they need to go to multiple stores.

[Elle Em]

It's hard to think of a good career for Phoebe. So many things seem to fit her. I could see her owning an occult shop just as easily as I could see her becoming a counselor to work with teenagers like Aviva. I'd be happy with whatever she chose as long as she wasn't famous because of it and she actually had to work hard at things. 

[zoeysmom]

Yeah, it didn't seem like she had to work at the whole advice columnist thing much.

[Esmeralda]

In my Dream Charmed, I have Phoebe joining the police force and using her premonitions to help Andy and Darryl solve crime. Such a perfect use for her power - and keeping her power important as it helps them help innocents.

[BriannaWarren2.0]

In my dream Charmed I have her owning an occult shop, since she was the sister who fell in love with her craft and she could still use her psychology degree to help customers. 

[zoeysmom]

Apr 29, 2021 18:42:42 GMT -5 BriannaWarren2.0 said:

In my dream Charmed I have her owning an occult shop, since she was the sister who fell in love with her craft and she could still use her psychology degree to help customers. 

Same. She could still use her psychology degree at the occult shop... Running a business like that requires you to understand customers' needs and what would make them come to buy stuff from your shop.

[BriannaWarren2.0]

Apr 30, 2021 15:36:29 GMT -5 zoeysmom said:

Apr 29, 2021 18:42:42 GMT -5 BriannaWarren2.0 said:

In my dream Charmed I have her owning an occult shop, since she was the sister who fell in love with her craft and she could still use her psychology degree to help customers. 

Same. She could still use her psychology degree at the occult shop... Running a business like that requires you to understand customers' needs and what would make them come to buy stuff from your shop.

I also like the idea that Phoebe spends all of season one learning everything in the Book and getting more books to study witchcraft while organising the attic during her studies, also going to an occult shop which ends up becoming her second home with her during season two becoming employed then being a manager and then becoming the owner overtime. 

I also believe that Prue and Piper would be okay with an unemployed Phoebe studying everything there is to know on Witchcraft since they probably don't want her to be doing nothing all day and this would be valuable use of her time. Maybe Phoebe does errands throughout the day in order of importance. 

[zoeysmom]

True, it would be helpful for her to know more about the craft.

[Esmeralda]

I would not like seeing Phoebe owning am occult shop. That's the dark side of the Craft and she already has enough problems with that due to being born in the Manor over the Nexus. I'd much prefer if she owned a wicca shop that concentrated more on the the light side of the Craft.

[Julian]

May 7, 2021 18:39:39 GMT -5 Esmeralda said:

I would not like seeing Phoebe owning am occult shop. That's the dark side of the Craft and she already has enough problems with that due to being born in the Manor over the Nexus. I'd much prefer if she owned a wicca shop that concentrated more on the the light side of the Craft.

Yeah, often both are mistaken as being the same just a different wording, but they are not.

Phoebe working in a wicca store, or even some exotic spice & tea store that sold all kinds of herbs and tea. (I saw that on another show I used to watch, and it was perfect for the show to do all kinds of stuff with potions and such, without it being a full on wicca shop) I find that would be handy if the sisters ever needed herbs and such for potions and spells.

[Esmeralda]

May 7, 2021 21:00:10 GMT -5 Julian said:

May 7, 2021 18:39:39 GMT -5 Esmeralda said:

I would not like seeing Phoebe owning am occult shop. That's the dark side of the Craft and she already has enough problems with that due to being born in the Manor over the Nexus. I'd much prefer if she owned a wicca shop that concentrated more on the the light side of the Craft.

Yeah, often both are mistaken as being the same just a different wording, but they are not.

Phoebe working in a wicca store, or even some exotic spice & tea store that sold all kinds of herbs and tea. (I saw that on another show I used to watch, and it was perfect for the show to do all kinds of stuff with potions and such, without it being a full on wicca shop) I find that would be handy if the sisters ever needed herbs and such for potions and spells.

I can't say I like that idea for Phoebe - that sounds more like something for Piper. I'd want Phoebe's shop to have crystals and stones and potions and stuff that's already made up.

No, I still like my idea of her joining Andy and Darryl (who hopefully would both live) at the police station, using her premonitions to help them solve crimes better.

[Julian]

May 7, 2021 21:12:02 GMT -5 Esmeralda said:

May 7, 2021 21:00:10 GMT -5 Julian said:

Yeah, often both are mistaken as being the same just a different wording, but they are not.

Phoebe working in a wicca store, or even some exotic spice & tea store that sold all kinds of herbs and tea. (I saw that on another show I used to watch, and it was perfect for the show to do all kinds of stuff with potions and such, without it being a full on wicca shop) I find that would be handy if the sisters ever needed herbs and such for potions and spells.

I can't say I like that idea for Phoebe - that sounds more like something for Piper. I'd want Phoebe's shop to have crystals and stones and potions and stuff that's already made up.

No, I still like my idea of her joining Andy and Darryl (who hopefully would both live) at the police station, using her premonitions to help them solve crimes better.

Now, that would fit Phoebe even better than anything else in this thread (LOL, missed your earlier reply where you said that). Phoebe could actually use her powers for good and solve crimes better. 

What would her actual position be at the police station, a detective like Andy and Darryl or something else?

[Esmeralda]

May 7, 2021 21:25:56 GMT -5 Julian said:

May 7, 2021 21:12:02 GMT -5 Esmeralda said:

I can't say I like that idea for Phoebe - that sounds more like something for Piper. I'd want Phoebe's shop to have crystals and stones and potions and stuff that's already made up.

No, I still like my idea of her joining Andy and Darryl (who hopefully would both live) at the police station, using her premonitions to help them solve crimes better.

Now, that would fit Phoebe even better than anything else in this thread (LOL, missed your earlier reply where you said that). Phoebe could actually use her powers for good and solve crimes better. 

What would her actual position be at the police station, a detective like Andy and Darryl or something else?

I'd like her to become a detective or work in the forensic department. Either would fit. That's what I had happen in my Dream Charmed.

For the heck of it, here's that:

ES' TRUE DREAM CHARMED

Season One is similar to the canon one with some differences, mainly in the backstory and what comes from it.

Prue has never had a boyfriend because she closed her heart off after the death of her mother. Instead she’s been taking care of her sisters and Grams. Roger isn’t her boyfriend, but just her boss at the museum, a job she keeps during the entire series - nope, no Buckland's.

Piper is the same as the original, except that she was never a banker…she didn’t have to since Prue was the one who took care of Grams. Otherwise, no need to change her or her and Leo’s story.

Phoebe is still the wild child and she is very surprised when she comes back from New York to find out that her just-as-wild high-school boyfriend is now an inspector with the San Francisco Police Department. Andy discovers her secret after she helps him solve a few of his cases. Just like Canon Andy, he can accept her as a witch, but not as a wife, at least for now, and since Phoebe is nowhere close to settling down, that’s fine with her, so they become lovers.

Andy's partner, Sheila Morris, wonders why Andy always seems to know what's up with the weird cases, but never learns the sisters' secret.

The other major difference is the finale which combines both “Love Hurts” and “Déjà vu All Over Again”. In order to stop the everlasting time loop, Piper must let Leo die…

After his death, the Charmed Ones no longer need a whitelighter to guide them which they needed during their first year as witches and we never hear the word whitelighter again, nor do we ever hear the word Elder, or, thank God, witchlighter. We never need to find out if dead men can sire children, which I believe would never have happened if Ted King hadn't left the show.

Other than these and the changes that would obviously be needed thanks to them--like the fact that it's Piper who thinks that Phoebe slept with her former boyfriend, Jeremy (who's the one who made her think so...) - the season is pretty much the same. Why change a good thing?

Obviously this changes Season Two, as Piper is the one who mourns her lost love rather than Prue. This is when she goes on strike, just like she did in the beginning of the canon Season Three, and just like then, it's when she's almost the cause of a young girl losing her life that she changes her mind. But unlike canon Season Three, Leo is never returned.

But then Dan moves in next door, halfway through the season, with the following episodes similar to the first ones in canon Season Two, but Dan has no reason to be jealous of Leo...only of Piper's memories of him.. Instead, when he finds out that Piper is a witch, he also finds out what Leo was, and can accept that, since he respects Piper's decision for letting Leo die. Much like Henry in canon Season Eight, he decides that he can accept Piper as a witch and Piper finds herself falling for him, big-time, especially because he helps her have a normal life as a normal couple, something Leo could never do. With Dan's help, she decides to quit Quake and instead starts a restaurant of her own - P3. She hires a manager, Elise, so she can be the chief chef and just cook, not manage.

Meanwhile, Phoebe continues to use her premonitions to help Andy and Sheila solve crimes with the help of her sisters, keeping the focus of the show on those innocent of the reality of magic (my definition of innocents, so anyone who has powers isn't one), as we see all of the innocents and bad guys who we saw in canon Season Two, with the exception of Sam who isn’t part of this--the only reason Victor left is Grams. Phoebe and Andy are still lovers, but don’t even consider marriage until Phoebe almost dies trying to save one of the victims of a crime they're trying to solve. Andy realizes that he loves her no matter if she's a witch or not and pops the question in a very romantic way, and she accepts.

We also see another bad guy, although if this was truly the first time we watched the show, we wouldn’t know it. When the sisters end up having to testify at a trial, Prue takes a liking to District Attorney Cole Turner, and he returns the favor. But when he asks her out, she refuses. Only after she meets Cupid and becomes his ring, does she open her heart and accept Cole's offer.

The season finale is an episode similar to “The Honeymoon’s Over”, except, of course, Piper is also part of it, since no one has gone (or could go) Up There without suffocating from the lack of air. This is when we find out that Cole is indeed trying to kill the sisters. Unlike the canon series, he’s not half-demon, he's a warlock who only pretends to care for Prue and simply wants to discover the sisters’ weaknesses so he can destroy them and take their powers. There is no Source or Big Bad in my Charmedverse — the one who comes closest to being that is Cole himself, who is more like a combination of Cole and Zankou, except he's a warlock and not a demon - in this Charmedverse, the only demons are "The Demons of... " who are the opposite of "The Angels of..." and appear as often as the Angels do...

Unlike canon Season Two, since there is no "P3 H20" - no need to show anyone what could happen if a whitelighter falls in love with his charge - Prue never stops working at the museum, nor does she ever get her astral projection power. Instead all three sisters are gaining better control of their powers and can use them over larger distances as they work towards having the version of their powers that we saw in canon 'Morality Bites'. That is indeed part of my series (how could my favorite episode not be?), except it's the season finale, and it's Andy and Phoebe who have Patty (not Melinda - Phoebe would want to continue the "P" tradition, besides naming her daughter after her mother) and it's Prue who is about to be burnt...

Season Three, the final season of my Dream Charmed, continues to have Phoebe helping Andy and Sheila solve crime, while also planning her wedding to Andy, so we continue to have the Bad Guy of the Week that I love, while also having the Cole story-arc that other fans love, even his fans might not like it as much, since Cole never truly loves a Charmed One, since he's pure warlock and not a half-demon. Meanwhile, Piper and Dan are becoming closer, and Prue thinks that so are she and Cole. Both Prue and Piper hope they're the ones who catch Phoebe's bouquet.

With these exceptions (and Phoebe and Andy not having to fight the Elders in order to get married since Andy's not dead), the season works pretty much like canon except that Piper never gets her explosion power and Phoebe never levitates.

Andy and Phoebe’s wedding happens about halfway through the season, working much like Leo and Piper’s so that Patty and Grams can be part of it (the only time they're corporeal in my Charmedverse), although there’s also plans for a big, huge public church wedding later on, since unlike Leo, Andy isn’t dead.

But rather than Prue interrupting it, it’s Shax who suddenly appears. The sisters vanquish him, but when they check the Book of Shadows, they find that he is just a warlockian hitman, so there is someone a lot worse out there. Phoebe tells Andy that she loves him and still wants to marry him, but only after they find and vanquish Shax’s boss.

The rest of the season works out similar to canon, except, of course, there are no honeymooners, Phoebe continues to use her premonitions to help Andy and Sheila solve crimes while the sisters continue to save innocents.

But when Cole almost succeeds in killing the sisters, Prue has to accept the fact that the lawyer she loves is just the mask worn by a warlock who only pretended to love her and only wants her and her sisters' powers. Even though it breaks her heart, she joins her sisters in the grand finale as they battle and finally vanquish him.

The Angel of Destiny shows up and the sisters decide to give up their powers so they can live normal lives, with Prue finally deciding to quit the museum so she can try to live her own dream - that of being a professional photographer, something we've seen since the beginning of the series; Piper considering marrying Dan while happily running her restaurant where she's the chef; and Phoebe deciding to go back to school and become an inspector herself so she can continue to help Andy and Sheila solve crimes.

Only then do we see the big grand church wedding as Phoebe and Andy are married, the last scene of the series. It ends with Phoebe throwing her bouquet and both her sisters grabbing for it - but we don't see who catches it.

[Julian]

May 7, 2021 22:24:55 GMT -5 Esmeralda said:

May 7, 2021 21:25:56 GMT -5 Julian said:

Now, that would fit Phoebe even better than anything else in this thread (LOL, missed your earlier reply where you said that). Phoebe could actually use her powers for good and solve crimes better. 

What would her actual position be at the police station, a detective like Andy and Darryl or something else?

I'd like her to become a detective or work in the forensic department. Either would fit. That's what I had happen in my Dream Charmed.

For the heck of it, here's that:

ES' TRUE DREAM CHARMED

Season One is similar to the canon one with some differences, mainly in the backstory and what comes from it.

Prue has never had a boyfriend because she closed her heart off after the death of her mother. Instead she’s been taking care of her sisters and Grams. Roger isn’t her boyfriend, but just her boss at the museum, a job she keeps during the entire series - nope, no Buckland's.

Piper is the same as the original, except that she was never a banker…she didn’t have to since Prue was the one who took care of Grams. Otherwise, no need to change her or her and Leo’s story.

Phoebe is still the wild child and she is very surprised when she comes back from New York to find out that her just-as-wild high-school boyfriend is now an inspector with the San Francisco Police Department. Andy discovers her secret after she helps him solve a few of his cases. Just like Canon Andy, he can accept her as a witch, but not as a wife, at least for now, and since Phoebe is nowhere close to settling down, that’s fine with her, so they become lovers.

Andy's partner, Sheila Morris, wonders why Andy always seems to know what's up with the weird cases, but never learns the sisters' secret.

The other major difference is the finale which combines both “Love Hurts” and “Déjà vu All Over Again”. In order to stop the everlasting time loop, Piper must let Leo die…

After his death, the Charmed Ones no longer need a whitelighter to guide them which they needed during their first year as witches and we never hear the word whitelighter again, nor do we ever hear the word Elder, or, thank God, witchlighter. We never need to find out if dead men can sire children, which I believe would never have happened if Ted King hadn't left the show.

Other than these and the changes that would obviously be needed thanks to them--like the fact that it's Piper who thinks that Phoebe slept with her former boyfriend, Jeremy (who's the one who made her think so...) - the season is pretty much the same. Why change a good thing?

Obviously this changes Season Two, as Piper is the one who mourns her lost love rather than Prue. This is when she goes on strike, just like she did in the beginning of the canon Season Three, and just like then, it's when she's almost the cause of a young girl losing her life that she changes her mind. But unlike canon Season Three, Leo is never returned.

But then Dan moves in next door, halfway through the season, with the following episodes similar to the first ones in canon Season Two, but Dan has no reason to be jealous of Leo...only of Piper's memories of him.. Instead, when he finds out that Piper is a witch, he also finds out what Leo was, and can accept that, since he respects Piper's decision for letting Leo die. Much like Henry in canon Season Eight, he decides that he can accept Piper as a witch and Piper finds herself falling for him, big-time, especially because he helps her have a normal life as a normal couple, something Leo could never do. With Dan's help, she decides to quit Quake and instead starts a restaurant of her own - P3. She hires a manager, Elise, so she can be the chief chef and just cook, not manage.

Meanwhile, Phoebe continues to use her premonitions to help Andy and Sheila solve crimes with the help of her sisters, keeping the focus of the show on those innocent of the reality of magic (my definition of innocents, so anyone who has powers isn't one), as we see all of the innocents and bad guys who we saw in canon Season Two, with the exception of Sam who isn’t part of this--the only reason Victor left is Grams. Phoebe and Andy are still lovers, but don’t even consider marriage until Phoebe almost dies trying to save one of the victims of a crime they're trying to solve. Andy realizes that he loves her no matter if she's a witch or not and pops the question in a very romantic way, and she accepts.

We also see another bad guy, although if this was truly the first time we watched the show, we wouldn’t know it. When the sisters end up having to testify at a trial, Prue takes a liking to District Attorney Cole Turner, and he returns the favor. But when he asks her out, she refuses. Only after she meets Cupid and becomes his ring, does she open her heart and accept Cole's offer.

The season finale is an episode similar to “The Honeymoon’s Over”, except, of course, Piper is also part of it, since no one has gone (or could go) Up There without suffocating from the lack of air. This is when we find out that Cole is indeed trying to kill the sisters. Unlike the canon series, he’s not half-demon, he's a warlock who only pretends to care for Prue and simply wants to discover the sisters’ weaknesses so he can destroy them and take their powers. There is no Source or Big Bad in my Charmedverse — the one who comes closest to being that is Cole himself, who is more like a combination of Cole and Zankou, except he's a warlock and not a demon - in this Charmedverse, the only demons are "The Demons of... " who are the opposite of "The Angels of..." and appear as often as the Angels do...

Unlike canon Season Two, since there is no "P3 H20" - no need to show anyone what could happen if a whitelighter falls in love with his charge - Prue never stops working at the museum, nor does she ever get her astral projection power. Instead all three sisters are gaining better control of their powers and can use them over larger distances as they work towards having the version of their powers that we saw in canon 'Morality Bites'. That is indeed part of my series (how could my favorite episode not be?), except it's the season finale, and it's Andy and Phoebe who have Patty (not Melinda - Phoebe would want to continue the "P" tradition, besides naming her daughter after her mother) and it's Prue who is about to be burnt...

Season Three, the final season of my Dream Charmed, continues to have Phoebe helping Andy and Sheila solve crime, while also planning her wedding to Andy, so we continue to have the Bad Guy of the Week that I love, while also having the Cole story-arc that other fans love, even his fans might not like it as much, since Cole never truly loves a Charmed One, since he's pure warlock and not a half-demon. Meanwhile, Piper and Dan are becoming closer, and Prue thinks that so are she and Cole. Both Prue and Piper hope they're the ones who catch Phoebe's bouquet.

With these exceptions (and Phoebe and Andy not having to fight the Elders in order to get married since Andy's not dead), the season works pretty much like canon except that Piper never gets her explosion power and Phoebe never levitates.

Andy and Phoebe’s wedding happens about halfway through the season, working much like Leo and Piper’s so that Patty and Grams can be part of it (the only time they're corporeal in my Charmedverse), although there’s also plans for a big, huge public church wedding later on, since unlike Leo, Andy isn’t dead.

But rather than Prue interrupting it, it’s Shax who suddenly appears. The sisters vanquish him, but when they check the Book of Shadows, they find that he is just a warlockian hitman, so there is someone a lot worse out there. Phoebe tells Andy that she loves him and still wants to marry him, but only after they find and vanquish Shax’s boss.

The rest of the season works out similar to canon, except, of course, there are no honeymooners, Phoebe continues to use her premonitions to help Andy and Sheila solve crimes while the sisters continue to save innocents.

But when Cole almost succeeds in killing the sisters, Prue has to accept the fact that the lawyer she loves is just the mask worn by a warlock who only pretended to love her and only wants her and her sisters' powers. Even though it breaks her heart, she joins her sisters in the grand finale as they battle and finally vanquish him.

The Angel of Destiny shows up and the sisters decide to give up their powers so they can live normal lives, with Prue finally deciding to quit the museum so she can try to live her own dream - that of being a professional photographer, something we've seen since the beginning of the series; Piper considering marrying Dan while happily running her restaurant where she's the chef; and Phoebe deciding to go back to school and become an inspector herself so she can continue to help Andy and Sheila solve crimes.

Only then do we see the big grand church wedding as Phoebe and Andy are married, the last scene of the series. It ends with Phoebe throwing her bouquet and both her sisters grabbing for it - but we don't see who catches it.

Es, I really liked what you did with Phoebe. That really gives me a good picture of how great she'd be with a job like that. I also didn't think Phoebe and Andy could work, but they do.

I'll read the rest of this more closely when I can. 

[zoeysmom]

I could see Phoebe running what Esmeralda called a Wicca shop. As long as it was serving the local witchy community and had a shop cat, some books on Wicca, witchcraft, demons, folklore, and maybe some non-book items to help the local witchy community. I think stuff like crystals, potion bottles, and whatnot would go over well in her store.

[Andrew]

Oct 6, 2021 14:02:48 GMT -5 zoeysmom said:

I could see Phoebe running what Esmeralda called a Wicca shop. As long as it was serving the local witchy community and had a shop cat, some books on Wicca, witchcraft, demons, folklore, and maybe some non-book items to help the local witchy community. I think stuff like crystals, potion bottles, and whatnot would go over well in her store.

I was going to say something about how Penny would probably approve, as that sounds like something she might have done herself… only to stop and realize I have no idea what she did for a living. I can’t think of any point in the series where that’s even referenced.

So, who knows? Maybe in this scenario, Phoebe would have been flipping through the Book, looking for inspiration, when Penny whooshed in to talk to her and offer advice (acting more like the loving grandmother she supposedly was, for once, instead of what we usually got), and would mention the shop she used to run. Realizing that not only was there a market for such a thing, but that she’d have a built-in customer base if she made the familial connection clear, Phoebe would immediately start looking into finding a suitable location and working out the logistics of (re)starting a business.

Now, I’m not sure when in the show this would be happening, but if we set it in season 2, either before or slightly after the episode “Ms. Hellfire”, we could have Phoebe decide to go back to college slightly earlier, only to take a few classes on business, instead of the huge number of electives that she took in the show, and let her believably graduate early. She could even get some tips from Victor (I forget when they started talking, just that it was for a while before her sisters found out about it), and heck, if she partnered with Marcy Steadwell from “Ms. Hellfire”, she’d get to bypass the process of looking for and securing a suitable location and jump right to the (co-)running the business part, and Marcy could how the craft actually worked. It’d be a win-win situation. 🙂