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Post by fallingsnow6136 on Sept 10, 2021 6:07:39 GMT -5
Okay so I love Chris. I'm a huge fan of him. However, like many others have said for the sisters, I liked him in s6 (excluding episodes 1 and 2). Granted, the future he came from was dark but killing someone is not okay. Sure, it wasn't out of revenge like Phoebe and Cal Greene and he clearly felt bad but the whole two episode starter was messed up. The rest of s6 wasn't so bad though.
But ok s5 has just ended. You have to keep Drew Fuller as Chris and he has to be Piper's son (you can have fun and even not make Leo the father). How would you write Chris's story and him as a character? Go wild.
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Post by Assassin Witch on Sept 10, 2021 11:00:24 GMT -5
I'm moreso about getting rid of certain S6 episodes (Witchstock) and plotpoints (magic school).
Writing wise... I'd expand Chris-Crossed to like a three-episode arc with flashbacks. Explain more about motivations. Show more of the rift between him and Wyatt. Want more Chris and baby Wyatt HAPPY interactions.
For as much as Chris says Leo wasn't around, if we're keeping Leo as an Elder (meh), actually like... either keep him away or Chris and Leo interacting as Whitelighter & Elder (boss) and not with Leo with the family on our plane.
The demon hunting was boring. And didn't really seem important. I'd throw that out. Maybe have Chris teaching them more...wiccan magic.
That's all I can think of right now. (Though OMG & VOTD would also need to be redone because ugh.)
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Post by zachary on Sept 10, 2021 12:19:21 GMT -5
So it's definitely a tough pickle when talking about Christopher Perry Halliwell. Lol.
For some reason, he always rubbed me the wrong way. But despite that, his character wasn't a fully developed, planned character.
When the writers threw him into S5, with Oh My Goddess, I believe he was supposed to be their ultimately big bad for S6. You can see hints of it in the early episodes with his dark personality and mysteriousness. Being from the future had opened doors to evil that the Charmed Ones hadn't seen, so it would've explained why the Books of Shadows trusted Chris.
Then halfway through, Holly gets pregnant and the writers decide to make Chris Piper and Leo's son from the future, bent on stopping Wyatt from turning evil.
Now, with that plot twist being said, it worked out in the sense that Chris had said certain things that a future descendant would potentially say, like when he points out that the sisters keep certain potion ingredients forever and things like that.
I think I would've liked him better if he was executed with a bit more depth. We didn't start to see how human he was until the Chris-Crossed episode that's basically a Chris-centric episode. We finally find out that he's engaged, he's human. We see what world he comes from and why he did what he did. We find out why he had to be a stranger and why he couldn't just come out and say "I'm from the future". That was one of the amazingly-executed episodes in my opinion.
When Chris is laying injured on the sofa, and Phoebe finds an engagement ring in his hand, it sends chills down my spine.
Overall, I do enjoy having him there as a male witch, and I love that family was the core of Charmed, so of course him being a relative, a son, makes me happy!
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Sept 10, 2021 15:40:33 GMT -5
For me, Chris had the potential to be a great character who was just written wrong.
Now I understand why he was cold-hearted at the beginning because the character was meant to be the big bad of season 6 but when we found out he was Piper and Leo's son I would've liked to have seen more empathy from him though I get his reaction to Leo in "Sin City" obviously.
So going by the rules that Chris still has to be Piper's son but doesn't Leo's although here he will be how I'd write him differently is with better empathy and being a more likable character whilst making sure if he did become cold-hearted at one point like with Leo explain why he was like that but also have him understand that it shouldn't be directed at past Leo but his future self was who Chris had the problem with.
His future would be fleshed out more through flashbacks in episodes which would tie in with Phoebe's premonitions in her getting dream visions of a dark future she doesn't know what about which has the viewer also wondering till "Chris Crossed" when the answers are revealed to Wyatt being evil of course.
Before and after that through investigation, Phoebe discovers the truth about Chris in her vision quest showcasing he's Piper's and Leo's son which leads her getting, him to admit that at the end of "The Legend Of Sleepy Halliwell".
Chris tells Piper, Leo, and Paige his concerns about Wyatt turning evil which Phoebe confirms is true from her visions, and the sisters try to figure out who turns young him naturally.
All these changes should make Chris's death more heartfelt and poignant which I'm sure people would get mostly.
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Post by Esmeralda on Sept 11, 2021 17:47:36 GMT -5
First, and most important of all, someone else would play Chris, someone who could ACT like a Halliwell, not just look like one (ditto for Paige...)
Second, Wyatt would be Chris' beloved older sister, Prudence Melinda, who in the future is killed by their cousin, Phoebe and Cole's child, Lucien, so S6 isn't just all about Piper's family. Chris has no reasons to hate his father. He wants to go back in time in order to try to save his older sister (who only has one Warren power and no whitelighter powers - Paige has them because her father was a whitelighter - in my Charmedverse, Leo gave up his powers as the ultimate wedding present to Piper).
Chris shows up in the past, writes in the Book what happened, then goes back to the future. The Charmed Ones read it and Phoebe binds all of Lucien's powers, hence saving Prudence Melinda in the future.
Do S6 like this and I *might* love it as much as I love S1-3.
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Post by rebooted on Mar 11, 2022 20:08:45 GMT -5
Watching the Season 6 finale.
Chris definitely comes across LGBT.
Some of his traits remind me of Prue so much even his eyes and the mole on his nose.
I wish there was a past life connection there.
That would mean so much to Piper.
Another storyline would have been if Chris was Wyatts partner from the future or if Chris was Paige or Phoebes child.
I think Chris should have realised that he can’t change the past.
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Post by CharmedFaith on Mar 11, 2022 23:50:42 GMT -5
If I could rewrite it? hmmm
Chris escapes to the past in an attempt to try to save his future (would keep that). Chris is an alias that he uses but it is not his real name.
Him arriving and helping the sisters become Goddesses and Leo into an Elder starts the path of changing the future.
He isn't the one to send Leo to Valhalla (which Leo would be sent somewhere much worse), that would be Gideon whose been on the path of corruption and falling from grace ever since The Source was vanquished and is on the verge of becoming the new Source himself.
Chris is as happy to be around his family as he is stand-offish with them, particularly Piper. He takes after Prue with being the serious one and trying to push the sisters to up their game again as Prue did in S3 since he knows that they die.
With Leo gone he knows that this isnt supposed to be how things go and that it could mean the end of him as well so he works with the sisters to try to find him.
All this time trying to find Leo, he is also worried about his big baby brother Wyatt who ultimately chooses evil in the future after Piper and co. are dead.
All Chris knows is that an Elder had fallen from grace and was able to raise an army against TCO/Elders which tipped the forces of evil in the future.
Since Chris is half-whitelighter he can not heal, he can not Orb "up there" as he doesnt have the grace that Whitelighters are blessed with. He pretends to go "up there" to check with the Elders but he is just trying to find things out on his own as he knows there is a traitor amongst the Elders.
Overall Chris's arc in S6 would be trying to find Leo, trying to sniff out who becomes evil, worried about Wyatts future, and trying to keep his family alive.
The sisters would end up going to Chris's future where they fight an evil Wyatt and find out that Gideon is the future Source. The season would harken back to S3 in tone. Chris would sacrifice himself for the sisters. Piper would give birth to twins, Prudence Melinda and Porter thus signifying that the future has changed but Piper would still be worried about Wyatt succumbing to evil without the proper guidance.
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Post by BriannaWarren2.0 on Mar 12, 2022 3:08:44 GMT -5
Watching the Season 6 finale. Chris definitely comes across LGBT. Some of his traits remind me of Prue so much even his eyes and the mole on his nose. I wish there was a past life connection there. That would mean so much to Piper. Another storyline would have been if Chris was Wyatts partner from the future or if Chris was Paige or Phoebes child. I think Chris should have realised that he can’t change the past. I would have preferred Chris to be Paige's son, I think Piper should have had Prudence Melinda in season six. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Mar 12, 2022 11:08:24 GMT -5
Watching the Season 6 finale. Chris definitely comes across LGBT. Some of his traits remind me of Prue so much even his eyes and the mole on his nose. I wish there was a past life connection there. That would mean so much to Piper. Another storyline would have been if Chris was Wyatts partner from the future or if Chris was Paige or Phoebes child. I think Chris should have realised that he can’t change the past. I would have preferred Chris to be Paige's son, I think Piper should have had Prudence Melinda in season six. When would you want Paige to have Chris? Who would his father be? |
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Post by BriannaWarren2.0 on Mar 12, 2022 19:08:30 GMT -5
I would have preferred Chris to be Paige's son, I think Piper should have had Prudence Melinda in season six. When would you want Paige to have Chris? Who would his father be? Get rid of Kyle Brody and the whole Avatar storyline, bring in Henry, have them married in season seven, then Paige having Chris in season eight. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Mar 13, 2022 6:23:26 GMT -5
When would you want Paige to have Chris? Who would his father be? Get rid of Kyle Brody and the whole Avatar storyline, bring in Henry, have them married in season seven, then Paige having Chris in season eight. *nods* Perfect. Would you still have him come back to the past in S6 or would you have Prudence Melinda do that? Would she be the Twice-Blessed Child and be evil in the future or would Chris? |
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Post by Aaeiyn on Mar 14, 2022 3:07:11 GMT -5
I'm fine with most of Chris' arc. Although, I wanted more explanation on his estranged relationship with Leo. They touched on it in S6E18 "Spin City" and never mentioned it, again, when they should have. Instead of giving garbage episodes like S6E19 "Crimes & Witch Demeanors", S6E20 "Wrong Day's Journey Into Right" & S6E21 "Witch Wars".
S6E22-23 "It's a Bad, Bad, Bad, Bad World, Pt 1 & 2" is alright, but I needed more closure from S6E18 "Spin City's" ending. That's about the only thing that bothered me.
Along with expanding upon S6E10 "Chris-Crossed" instead of having stupid episodes like S6E12 "Prince Charmed" & S6E13 "Used Karma". I'm OK with S6E11 "Witchstock", but this should've been done before "Chris-Crossed". 'Cause they don't trust him (back in S6E10), Phoebe & Paige move out, and Piper is solo trusting Chris, after the fact? NTY.
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Post by BriannaWarren2.0 on Mar 14, 2022 6:31:30 GMT -5
Get rid of Kyle Brody and the whole Avatar storyline, bring in Henry, have them married in season seven, then Paige having Chris in season eight. *nods* Perfect. Would you still have him come back to the past in S6 or would you have Prudence Melinda do that? Would she be the Twice-Blessed Child and be evil in the future or would Chris? If anyone is to be the Twice-Blessed Child, it should have been Prudence Melinda, I am completely erasing Wyatt and replacing him with Prudence, who would be Piper's and Leo's first and only child with her second child being her restaurant. Phoebe would have three daughters and Paige would have Chris and a daughter. Piper and Leo would move next door (Dan's old house) Leo would be a Stay-At-Home father who keeps continuing his Whitelighter duties. Phoebe and Drake (who in my opinion should have been with Phoebe, not Coop) would live in the Manor, he would also be a full-time SATF whilst Phoebe works as a Criminal Psychologist, working with Daryl and on occasion her sister Paige. Paige and Henry would move into a townhouse close to their work, while Paige works as a Social Worker, who after making a reputation for herself, she ultimately works from home on occasion. (A rough draft) The future will be that Chris would turn completely black and white, he ultimately kills anyone who is evil. This happens after he watches a dark-lighter kill his mother, sister, cousin and uncle, Chris goes after them and vanquishes them, Phoebe's daughters (Billie would be Phoebe's eldest) would try and help Chris through his grief, however he uses magic in order to put fear into people, he punishes the guilty without protecting the innocent, later he goes complete power-trip and anyone who dares crosses him will be vanquished, regardless of who it is. |
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Post by Aaeiyn on Mar 14, 2022 6:55:55 GMT -5
I am completely erasing Wyatt I understand, we want to continue having this show be about "Girl power" and everything, but is it really necessary to hate on Wyatt simply because he's a boy? Seems a little sexist, to me. And, I get it, it may feel like the main leads were "sidelined", to "add more men", but I never took it as the men "taking over". Especially for how awful Piper treats Leo, anyway. And, the narrative of Cole changing to "Cole bad"! And, they really ignored a lot of Chris' antics, anyway. So, how much power do these "men" even have, anyway? Especially, when the series went out of its way to ensure our leads were "always in the right". I just don't find the hate towards Wyatt to be completely justified simply because he's not a woman/girl. That doesn't sit well with me, but opinions I guess. EDIT: I just think you can still have a show be about "girl power" without needing it to be the erasure of men, but that's just me. |
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Mar 14, 2022 15:05:35 GMT -5
I think if men overall had been balanced out like Andy and Darryl were season 1 and the sisters hadn't constantly complained their relationships took a back burner to innocents then having guys on the show was okay, especially if any of them had made a sister better in themselves for example been more confident for instance.
I understand why some people would omit the brothers out because there'd only been women in the family so having them was a no plus the fact a lot of focus was on Wyatt and not on innocents any more but I didn't mind the change which was interesting and different except when either boy took center stage all the time of course.
Had the writers balanced them and innocents out so all parties got equal screen time and Piper understood that the second came first sometimes over her kids which the boys respected growing up but she still had time for them afterwards fans mightn't have voiced their opinions all these years so much.
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Post by Esmeralda on Mar 14, 2022 17:38:25 GMT -5
Put it this way. If Prudence Melinda was the Twice-Blessed Brat and had more powers than the Charmed Ones combined, including her very own prophecy that no one had ever heard about, I'd hate her as much as I hate Wyatt. Ditto if Christina was played by a cardboard actress and was a lying, whining, murdering brat who stayed in the past for over a year, screwing up the lives of every person she ran into, I'd hate her as much as I hate Chris. It has very little to do with their gender, more the way they took over the show - the same reason why I hated the Jenkins sisters.
The major reason I'd want him to be Prudence Melinda is so no one would keep thinking that their younger sister is the same Melinda as the one in 'Morality Bites' when she's the same age as Wyatt, not her. All why I will continue to believe that S4-8 is the alternate-universe spin-off where only the name of the characters is the same and having a whitelighter for a father is more important than having a Warren for a mother, the main reason why I like the idea of Leo giving up his wings as his ultimate wedding present to Piper so they couldn't have half-whitelighters as children.
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Post by BriannaWarren2.0 on Mar 14, 2022 21:34:03 GMT -5
I am completely erasing Wyatt I understand, we want to continue having this show be about "Girl power" and everything, but is it really necessary to hate on Wyatt simply because he's a boy? Seems a little sexist, to me. And, I get it, it may feel like the main leads were "sidelined", to "add more men", but I never took it as the men "taking over". Especially for how awful Piper treats Leo, anyway. And, the narrative of Cole changing to "Cole bad"! And, they really ignored a lot of Chris' antics, anyway. So, how much power do these "men" even have, anyway? Especially, when the series went out of its way to ensure our leads were "always in the right". I just don't find the hate towards Wyatt to be completely justified simply because he's not a woman/girl. That doesn't sit well with me, but opinions I guess. EDIT: I just think you can still have a show be about "girl power" without needing it to be the erasure of men, but that's just me. No, I am erasing Wyatt because he is too overpowered. I like Chris and his powers and believed that Paige would have been a better mother for him, rather than Piper, who I would have written to only have Prudence and then her business, she barely handle one let alone multiple, with Leo being a SATF because it would be impossible for him to get a proper job without correct documentation. I do and completely agree that you can still have the "girl power" message whilst still having men involved in the overall story, Leo and Cole should have been better valued, both men having lived a long time and with that comes knowledge and wisdom that the sisters could never have gained in their short time of being witches. I also hate the treatment that the sisters gave to Leo in the later seasons and believed that the writers shouldn't have done that. I believe that the Charmed Ones should have been better educated by their ancestors, especially Grams, I would have brought her coven back so they could help teach the sisters, so that they aren't always right but expanding their knowledge and relationship with Witchcraft. I also believe that they should be challenged in certain aspects and as much as I love Prue, I believe that she shouldn't have been in the right all the time, for example; Cole and Tom Peters. When it comes to the treatment of Cole Turner, I absolutely hated that Phoebe would blame him for everything that went wrong in her life without taking accountability for her actions, example: her nightmare is automatically blamed on Cole without her taking a step back and reflecting on herself, or when she became the Queen of the Underworld, that was all her. |
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Post by Julian on Mar 15, 2022 3:58:01 GMT -5
It wouldn't have made a difference what gender Wyatt was. With the way, they handled the arc, in its writing. I suppose a more talented actor than Drew Fuller could have done a good job with the bad writing. But still, the whole arc was a complete mess.
My issue is always, that they needed to show not tell us what happened in this horrible dark future.
I still always wished they added a female co-star. It sucks the only one we had was Billie outside of the Charmed Ones. It was always lacking in the series throughout.
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Post by BriannaWarren2.0 on Mar 15, 2022 4:02:57 GMT -5
It wouldn't have made a difference what gender Wyatt was. With the way, they handled the arc, in its writing. I suppose a more talented actor than Drew Fuller could have done a good job with the bad writing. But still, the whole arc was a complete mess. My issue is always, that they needed to show not tell us what happened in this horrible dark future. I still always wished they added a female co-star. It sucks the only one we had was Billie outside of the Charmed Ones. It was always lacking in the series throughout. They needed more talented writers, that's for sure, Drew did well with what he was given. |
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Mar 15, 2022 6:00:53 GMT -5
Agreed I blame whatever acting Drew had to do whether that was bad or not or how Wyatt was a lot of the time centrally focused on the writers themselves and not the people playing the characters who only did what they were told to do.
It's why fans prefer the earlier seasons although I understand why some would say having a better actor play Chris might've saved season 6 slightly in terms of how they portrayed the person overall of course.
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