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Post by Esmeralda on Mar 15, 2022 8:26:33 GMT -5
It wouldn't have made a difference what gender Wyatt was. With the way, they handled the arc, in its writing. I suppose a more talented actor than Drew Fuller could have done a good job with the bad writing. But still, the whole arc was a complete mess. My issue is always, that they needed to show not tell us what happened in this horrible dark future. I still always wished they added a female co-star. It sucks the only one we had was Billie outside of the Charmed Ones. It was always lacking in the series throughout. They needed more talented writers, that's for sure, Drew did well with what he was given. I don't think he did. If he wasn't such a cardboard actor he would've done better with his facial expressions and with doing little actions that eould've shown what he was really feeling. The fact that the first time I watched the show, I thought *he* was the evil one who wanted to kill Wyatt - I was yelling at Leo not to give Wyatt to Chris or he'd kill Wyatt! - and cheered with relief when he was the one who died shows that. |
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Post by Aaeiyn on Mar 15, 2022 8:28:43 GMT -5
No, I am erasing Wyatt because he is too overpowered. While I understand what you're saying, I'm just a little confused especially when you said this: If anyone is to be the Twice-Blessed Child, it should have been Prudence Melinda, I am completely erasing Wyatt and replacing him with Prudence Just makes it seems like you're taking Wyatt's (a boy) powers and putting them into Prudence Melinda (a girl) is why I think this is about gender and not necessarily the arc. It wouldn't have made a difference what gender Wyatt was. With the way, they handled the arc, in its writing. I suppose a more talented actor than Drew Fuller could have done a good job with the bad writing. But still, the whole arc was a complete mess. I still always wished they added a female co-star. It sucks the only one we had was Billie outside of the Charmed Ones. It was always lacking in the series throughout. And, then this is confusing, as well. I can understand both Wyatt and Chris' arc being "off-putting", and that it's not really about his gender but then I read the last line about wishing for a fellow "female" co-star and while I do agree with that premise as in the Charmed Ones not being the only females with powers, I'm just sensing a sexism issue, in that, this show is a "no men allowed" stance. That's the way I'm reading it. Even then, there's even hesitancy in even bringing in other women, into the show, as I've even read some (not all) wanting this to be a "sisters only" show, so it's all kinds of confusing. Then again, could just be clashing of opinions. Agreed I blame whatever acting Drew had to do whether that was bad or not or how Wyatt was a lot of the time centrally focused on the writers themselves and not the people playing the characters who only did what they were told to do. It's why fans prefer the earlier seasons although I understand why some would say having a better actor play Chris might've saved season 6 slightly in terms of how they portrayed the person overall of course. I must have low expectations, when it pertains to how actors should be acting 'cause I'm like the rare fan (on here, anyway) that doesn't care too much for S2. I think the actor who played Kyle in S2E6 "That Old Black Magic" is so cringey, that I love it LOL And, don't even get me starting on the cringe acting in S1E6 "The Wedding from Hell". It's just part of the package, I guess 🤷♀️ plus the fact a lot of focus was on Wyatt and not on innocents any more but I didn't mind the change which was interesting and different except when either boy took center stage all the time of course. Had the writers balanced them and innocents out so all parties got equal screen time and Piper understood that the second came first sometimes over her kids which the boys respected growing up but she still had time for them afterwards fans mightn't have voiced their opinions all these years so much. The show stopped focusing on innocents since S3. And, part of what annoys me about S1 is that it was practically the Prue show. Majority of the episodes was centered around her, IMO. I even think Andy has more screen time than even Piper, but I digress. I do think the later seasons became a little bit (not a lot) more balanced out between sharing screen time between the characters. Even I admit this show isn't perfect, but I don't expect anything to be because nothing ever is nor will ever be perfect, IMO. |
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Post by Aaeiyn on Mar 15, 2022 17:52:54 GMT -5
The show stopped focusing on innocents since S3. And, what I mean is the "save the innocent" type of episodes began becoming more scarce (compared to S1-S2), in S3. There are still the occasional "save the innocent" episode From S3-S8. But not as much as S1-S2. I just wanted to clarify. |
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Post by BriannaWarren2.0 on Mar 18, 2022 10:27:01 GMT -5
No, I am erasing Wyatt because he is too overpowered. While I understand what you're saying, I'm just a little confused especially when you said this: If anyone is to be the Twice-Blessed Child, it should have been Prudence Melinda, I am completely erasing Wyatt and replacing him with Prudence Just makes it seems like you're taking Wyatt's (a boy) powers and putting them into Prudence Melinda (a girl) is why I think this is about gender and not necessarily the arc. It wouldn't have made a difference what gender Wyatt was. With the way, they handled the arc, in its writing. I suppose a more talented actor than Drew Fuller could have done a good job with the bad writing. But still, the whole arc was a complete mess. I still always wished they added a female co-star. It sucks the only one we had was Billie outside of the Charmed Ones. It was always lacking in the series throughout. And, then this is confusing, as well. I can understand both Wyatt and Chris' arc being "off-putting", and that it's not really about his gender but then I read the last line about wishing for a fellow "female" co-star and while I do agree with that premise as in the Charmed Ones not being the only females with powers, I'm just sensing a sexism issue, in that, this show is a "no men allowed" stance. That's the way I'm reading it. Even then, there's even hesitancy in even bringing in other women, into the show, as I've even read some (not all) wanting this to be a "sisters only" show, so it's all kinds of confusing. Then again, could just be clashing of opinions. Agreed I blame whatever acting Drew had to do whether that was bad or not or how Wyatt was a lot of the time centrally focused on the writers themselves and not the people playing the characters who only did what they were told to do. It's why fans prefer the earlier seasons although I understand why some would say having a better actor play Chris might've saved season 6 slightly in terms of how they portrayed the person overall of course. I must have low expectations, when it pertains to how actors should be acting 'cause I'm like the rare fan (on here, anyway) that doesn't care too much for S2. I think the actor who played Kyle in S2E6 "That Old Black Magic" is so cringey, that I love it LOL And, don't even get me starting on the cringe acting in S1E6 "The Wedding from Hell". It's just part of the package, I guess 🤷♀️ plus the fact a lot of focus was on Wyatt and not on innocents any more but I didn't mind the change which was interesting and different except when either boy took center stage all the time of course. Had the writers balanced them and innocents out so all parties got equal screen time and Piper understood that the second came first sometimes over her kids which the boys respected growing up but she still had time for them afterwards fans mightn't have voiced their opinions all these years so much. The show stopped focusing on innocents since S3. And, part of what annoys me about S1 is that it was practically the Prue show. Majority of the episodes was centered around her, IMO. I even think Andy has more screen time than even Piper, but I digress. I do think the later seasons became a little bit (not a lot) more balanced out between sharing screen time between the characters. Even I admit this show isn't perfect, but I don't expect anything to be because nothing ever is nor will ever be perfect, IMO. Okay, I'll see if I can explain this better. I would have preferred Prudence to be the Twice-Blessed child because it would have destroyed the stereotype that Grams had about males with magic, especially if she was the one to turn evil in the future, at least we could get the little girl we saw in the Morality Bites future and then also have a future destroyed by a Halliwell in the same breath. This would also mean that Chris, who would be Paige's son, would also expand from Piper's children into the sisters and their children, not just focused on one sister but all 3 of them. |
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Post by Aaeiyn on Mar 18, 2022 11:55:54 GMT -5
Okay, I'll see if I can explain this better. I would have preferred Prudence to be the Twice-Blessed child because it would have destroyed the stereotype that Grams had about males with magic, especially if she was the one to turn evil in the future, at least we could get the little girl we saw in the Morality Bites future and then also have a future destroyed by a Halliwell in the same breath. This would also mean that Chris, who would be Paige's son, would also expand from Piper's children into the sisters and their children, not just focused on one sister but all 3 of them. I can partly understand wanting to destroy Grams' sexism against men. Even if Wyatt is a boy, he's still a Halliwell who destroyed the future. That being said, I still feel like we kinda got this with Phoebe. At least, all of the foreshadowing to her being "evil" and being Queen of the Underworld and everything. It just seems like there's a lot of clinging onto to everything that happened in "Morality Bites" (it's why I've been resenting this episode, as of late, 'cause the fandom, both here and Reddit, cling onto it so much, but I digress), that I feel like a lot of people forget that the future changes. 'Cause Prue is definitely not in the future. Phoebe doesn't have her electric hand power, that actually killed Cal Greene, in the first place. And, a part of Piper's "failed marriage" kinda happened (at least, in S6, anyway), but they get back together, in the end. It (also) makes sense (and IK, a lot, not all, might disagree with me, on this) that Wyatt is a boy because Piper did eat the chocolates in S4E16 "The Fifth Halliwheel". And, the Seer predicted a "son" with "conflicting futures". Now, IK it was supposed to be about Phoebe & Cole's baby, but a lot of what the Seer said about their baby seems to align with Wyatt. So, it makes sense (IMO) why he came out as a boy instead of a girl 'cause circumstances change. The choices Piper made, lead the result of Wyatt instead of Melinda. Other than that, I understand wanting to "shove it" in Grams' face xD |
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Post by BriannaWarren2.0 on Mar 18, 2022 19:28:12 GMT -5
Okay, I'll see if I can explain this better. I would have preferred Prudence to be the Twice-Blessed child because it would have destroyed the stereotype that Grams had about males with magic, especially if she was the one to turn evil in the future, at least we could get the little girl we saw in the Morality Bites future and then also have a future destroyed by a Halliwell in the same breath. This would also mean that Chris, who would be Paige's son, would also expand from Piper's children into the sisters and their children, not just focused on one sister but all 3 of them. I can partly understand wanting to destroy Grams' sexism against men. Even if Wyatt is a boy, he's still a Halliwell who destroyed the future. That being said, I still feel like we kinda got this with Phoebe. At least, all of the foreshadowing to her being "evil" and being Queen of the Underworld and everything. It just seems like there's a lot of clinging onto to everything that happened in "Morality Bites" (it's why I've been resenting this episode, as of late, 'cause the fandom, both here and Reddit, cling onto it so much, but I digress), that I feel like a lot of people forget that the future changes. 'Cause Prue is definitely not in the future. Phoebe doesn't have her electric hand power, that actually killed Cal Greene, in the first place. And, a part of Piper's "failed marriage" kinda happened (at least, in S6, anyway), but they get back together, in the end. It (also) makes sense (and IK, a lot, not all, might disagree with me, on this) that Wyatt is a boy because Piper did eat the chocolates in S4E16 "The Fifth Halliwheel". And, the Seer predicted a "son" with "conflicting futures". Now, IK it was supposed to be about Phoebe & Cole's baby, but a lot of what the Seer said about their baby seems to align with Wyatt. So, it makes sense (IMO) why he came out as a boy instead of a girl 'cause circumstances change. The choices Piper made, lead the result of Wyatt instead of Melinda. Other than that, I understand wanting to "shove it" in Grams' face xD Well, that makes sense. I wished that the finale of season four was the Charmed Ones vanquishing the Source, then in season five, we see Cole and Phoebe becoming the King and Queen of the Underworld, I would have wanted to see a lot more of their reign, reorganisation of the Underworld and their relationship as a whole, it sucked that to was only a few episodes. Maybe Phoebe would leave her job as an Advice Columnist and decide to be a Psychologist with Cole being a Lawyer in the mortal world, they definitely could have been the power couple. |
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Post by dwcwbtsjkthtaekook on Mar 22, 2023 19:08:49 GMT -5
Hi I'm new. Well, by answering this topic, I want to make it clear that it is my opinion and I'm sorry, I'm not an English speaker and this is translated with a translator. Well, the first thing is that I don't understand the hatred towards Chris/Drew for me, season 6 is perfect and I wouldn't change anything for me, everything makes sense, let's see when Chris came from the future to save Wyatt, he was not only going to save Wyatt but also the future. the whole world since it changed the world and everyone's destiny I feel that Chris is a hero and after season 6 they forgot about him and left him in the background he should have been at the same level as Wyatt and be the protagonist and give him his powers For me Chris is very powerful, he is the son of the most powerful charmed because Piper's powers were always the most powerful even before Prue's death. I love that Piper has two children and that Chris is Wyatt's little brother. On the other hand, many people think that Phoebe's evil daughter or son was the one who was destined to be born instead of Wyatt, I don't think so because I don't know if you have forgotten, but Phoebe tells Piper or Paige that it didn't matter that she had lost to the baby since it wasn't hers and it's true it was just a spawn of the fountain (Cole) and the evil seer, that's why the evil seer was able to take the baby from Phoebe and put it in her belly. I think that baby was not destined, it was a creation of the seer while even though Piper could not have children because of the blows in the uterus, she told Paige, she had two miracles for Wyatt and Chris because as much as Chris has been there I think he was a desired child and Planned in its original timeline, the events caused by Chris's arrival change the way Piper finds out she's having another child and how Leo, Phoebe, and Paige found out. I think Chris was meant to be born in fact I love how Piper and Leo react, Phoebe and Paige too but I love the way Piper finds out. Those who don't like Chris because they say he lies, I don't believe it, what I think is that Chris tried to keep the story as long as possible, he didn't know anything about who had turned Wyatt, he thought he was a demon, that's why he spent a year in it. past to try to find out with the help of the sisters, you should watch again the chapter 6x22 and 6x23 is Leo who says that Wyatt was kidnapped in the original time of Chris because Gideon discovered that Wyatt could defend himself with his force field, It was Leo who theorized that and that's why Barbas shows Leo that fear, Chris never said that Wyatt had been kidnapped Chris said "what I don't understand is that if he wanted to kill Wyatt why would he make him evil in his future" and Leo He tells him that Wyatt could defend himself because of his force field so if Chris lied about some things because he needed the sisters to be alert but once they found out who Chris was he was honest with the sisters and Leo. For me Chris did not need to apologize once they find out who Chris is everything is explained in my opinion I have done it for my brother, my family does not need to apologize. Chris told Leo he didn't say anything about what happens to Wyatt before he was born because he wanted to protect them so he couldn't relax and when Chris let it slip in the chapter the witch wars the sisters understood why Chris was so neurotic and obsessive about saving Wyatt because if he saves the future he saves the world and changes the fate of everyone including Piper, Leo, Phoebe and Paige. Chris and Piper are my favorite characters and in my opinion Chris must have had not only Prue's powers but also Piper's and old Leo's for my Chris if he has them why I don't understand then why many think that if Melinda had been conceived when Leo it was avatar Melinda would have the Avatar powers with Chris she would have to go through the same no matter how much it is just a position because being a white light or Avatar is also a position the Elders are the ones who give the powers to the white lights and they can also be given remove and the Avatars gives Leo the powers when he becomes one of them then why would Wyatt and Chris have the white light powers and Chris couldn't have the Elder powers for me if he has them and for me Chris is as powerful as Wyatt or even more, what happens is that they left him in the background but Chris doesn't deserve it, he deserved much more. And in my opinion Chris/Drew doesn't deserve so much hate, I love him and I love Chris. Piper and Chris are my favorite characters and I love Piper and Leo with Wyatt and Chris even though I know Melinda also exists in the comics for me Piper and Leo only have Wyatt and Chris. This is only my opinion. Thank you.
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Post by seersevilgrin on Apr 13, 2023 22:47:06 GMT -5
I'm moreso about getting rid of certain S6 episodes (Witchstock) and plotpoints (magic school). Writing wise... I'd expand Chris-Crossed to like a three-episode arc with flashbacks. Explain more about motivations. Show more of the rift between him and Wyatt. Want more Chris and baby Wyatt HAPPY interactions. For as much as Chris says Leo wasn't around, if we're keeping Leo as an Elder (meh), actually like... either keep him away or Chris and Leo interacting as Whitelighter & Elder (boss) and not with Leo with the family on our plane. The demon hunting was boring. And didn't really seem important. I'd throw that out. Maybe have Chris teaching them more...wiccan magic. That's all I can think of right now. (Though OMG & VOTD would also need to be redone because ugh.) I like the idea of expanding Chris-Crossed! But maybe by having the flashbacks interspersed periodically throughout the season as a way of giving hints about who he was and why he came back. But that would have involved the writers knowing where his character was going from the start. Alas, it’s clear they didn’t. The main issues with Chris’s story are the continuity holes in the first few episodes he’s in. Not sure what the plan was. I read here he was supposed to be the big bad originally but I’ve also read he was originally supposed to be future Wyatt? In any case, it’s frustratingly clear they didn’t know what he was or changed their minds halfway through. Once his purpose and identity were solidified, the story was more effective and affecting. I can’t help but like the Chris character and story, half-baked as it is. I did enjoy the silliness of him trying to get conceived. Afterwards, his interactions with Piper, Victor and Leo were well done and emotional. Even his interactions with his aunties were cute. |
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