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Post by Andrew on Oct 8, 2021 13:08:53 GMT -5
Just a little something I’m curious about.
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Post by Esmeralda on Oct 8, 2021 20:20:11 GMT -5
That was a tough choice, partially because the Hollow was used differently in different episodes, but the idea that the Cleaners could indeed clean up messes and didn't clean up Prue's death when it was caused by exposure...no. Simply no.
Of course the WORST plot device on Charmed was Leo.
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Post by BriannaWarren2.0 on Oct 9, 2021 6:55:52 GMT -5
The Cleaners.
I didn't mind the Hollow, I did mind how easy it was to obtain it, The Cleaners however, caused so many continuity problems, the huge one is Prue's death. Like her death wasn't entirely magical so it legitimately makes zero sense to why their exposure even happened in the first place.
Let's look at the monkeys in the episode: Astral Monkey from season two episode twenty, shouldn't the Cleaners just have kidnapped the monkeys, take the vials of blood, take the paperwork and then killed the monkeys?.
They could have said "due to Prue's death, good and evil have decided to take another measure in assuring that the magical world isn't exposed, then they created us" it would show the total lack of awareness that the magical world has to the newer technology that is currently and would be released in the future also showing that Prue's death had an impact to the Magical Community both Good and Evil alike.
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Post by Elle Em on Oct 9, 2021 7:11:27 GMT -5
The Cleaners were a horrible idea. It takes half the work out of it for them if messes can just be covered up. I liked the aspect of the show where they had to live in a non-magical world and still be able to relate to it, despite their powers. The Cleaners changes the entire tone of the show if there are no real consequences to exposure.
They remind me a bit of Leo's memory dust. But at least with that it seemed to have some restrictions on it, and Leo hesitated to use it because it was so powerful. It wasn't just a button to push to solve all their problems.
And they definitely should have introduced the Cleaners as having been created after AHBL. My first question when they made an appearance was about where they were when magic was exposed with Prue. The fact that they didn't address it makes me believe that there's really alternate realities in the show, and in this one, Prue just never existed.
I liked the Hollow. It presented a unique challenge of how to fight something magical without magic. That itself wasn't a problem for me, even if I don't like what it ultimately did to Cole.
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Post by Too Much Coffee on Oct 9, 2021 16:27:19 GMT -5
That was a tough choice, partially because the Hollow was used differently in different episodes, but the idea that the Cleaners could indeed clean up messes and didn't clean up Prue's death when it was caused by exposure...no. Simply no. Of course the WORST plot device on Charmed was Leo. This was tough for me too, as I don't like either. But my issues with the Hollow, is we already had the Nexus, and I never saw the point of introducing the Hollow. But I voted the Cleaners. I HATED the whole idea of them. I felt it just made life too easy for the sisters. Why bother caring about magic being exposed, if the Cleaners will come and clean up the mess. Boring. I hate when you take away any real consequences to exposure. That's why I voted cleaners over the Hollow in my vote. But, your right the biggest and WORST plot device on Charmed was Leo. |
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Post by Andrew on Oct 9, 2021 23:29:44 GMT -5
“Morality Bites” proves (to me) that the Cleaners didn’t always exist, because if they did, they would have made it look like Cal Greene died of natural causes, or something. (And if that had happened, and Phoebe got away with murder… Well, that could also have been an interesting story, especially since that timeline’s versions of Prue and Piper likely would not have been okay with that.) Even so, if good and evil had the combined power to create the Cleaners, why bother with having Tempus rewind time like that? (Well, I suppose the Source might have wanted to take advantage of the opportunity to kill the Charmed Ones after time was rewound.)
Now, if this was the MCU, and we were talking about the TVA from “Loki”, well, that would be another story. 😉
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Oct 10, 2021 4:53:12 GMT -5
I chose the Cleaners also for the suggestions people here have already said and wished they hadn't been around in the first place but if the show had intentionally intended to introduce them after Prue's death which we don't know about of course one of the reasons explaining it could be is that because magic hadn't been exposed that big before they never existed till the time was reset which both good and evil agreed upon afterward obviously.
My argument also against that is we don't know if Tempus really died after AHBL or his powers were just seriously drained from the event as he seemed like an upper-level being to me whose powers were connected to time so as long as that existed wouldn't he which would stick with Leo's comment on him having just been defeated not vanquished as he would hibernate and then come back again when recuperated meaning no need for Cleaners naturally.
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Post by zoeysmom on Oct 19, 2021 16:43:02 GMT -5
I chose the Cleaners. It created a huge plot hole. There were multiple episodes when the Cleaners should've cleaned up when magic was exposed, but only were called during the episode when Wyatt conjured that dragon and in that episode that the sisters were on trial with Barbas prosecuting. There was Morality Bites, All Hell Breaks Loose, that episode in Season 1 where the Grimlocks kidnapped that kid and the reporter caught Prue using her powers, that episode where Piper and Leo were planning their wedding and Piper turned the wedding planner into a pig, but the Cleaners were never called during those episodes.
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Post by Emmett on Oct 19, 2021 19:08:48 GMT -5
The Cleaners.
I don't like easy-outs, and having beings who can magically fix messes, takes the fun out of everything. Then what's the point of worrying if the sisters will be exposed, if the Cleaners can make that problem go away.
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Post by Aaeiyn on Oct 21, 2021 21:00:47 GMT -5
Most everyone here said my exact thoughts. I wouldn't have minded the Cleaners being a thing, if they were a new addition to magic (similar to how I think Magic School should've been), I'd be more OK with it. I don't mind the magical world adapting. That's not where the Cleaners came from, though, unfortunately.
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Post by sky1 on Feb 28, 2023 10:15:34 GMT -5
The Hollow imo did not break the story/plot. And it makes sense why nobody should ever use it, no matter what. So it's inclusion was ok for me.
The Cleaners on the other hand are plot device that broke the story. Especially since apparently you can just bully them into obeying you if you are the charmed ones. They make no sense. The same way Leo healing pipes and neo signes. But healing the owl dude is a big no no. Just stupid really.
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Post by wyatt23 on Apr 28, 2023 5:45:28 GMT -5
I'd say the cleaners. I've seen lots of people on this thread, say the cleaners because of their ability not to reverse the events of AHBL or Astral Monkeys. A possibly I've thought of is maybe by season 6, the tribunal thought magic has been exposed too much, and if the cleaners have the abilities they do. Maybe they saw Paige in the future.
Another theory I had was maybe they can't reverse death. I would also agure for the hollow, because it played a big part in the series finale and the episode it was introduced, like how it can it go from absorbing powers to shooting fire/electricity?
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