Does this upset you?

[louislemon]

I’m a huge fan of charmed. It’s been my comfort show since I was 9 years old and I always rewatch it every year. It’s fun and safe and super camp which I love but it has great relationships between the sisters which I love.

So, when I found that apparently no one on that show seemed to like each other really shocked me.

Alyssa & Shannen didn’t get along ( famously)
Alyssa & Rose now don’t get along
Alyssa & Holly remain on speaking terms. ( I believe)
Holly & Shannen are no longer friends.


It’s such a weird thing to witness. They all had great chemistry but to find out that they don’t actually get along is mad to me.


Does it colour your view on the show? I can’t help but think of how Alyssa and Rose now don’t get along when I watch a scene they’re both in.


What do you think?

[Emmett]

No, it doesn't change my view of the show at all. I just separate actors from characters.

At the end of the day, I'm always more invested in their characters and Charmed than I am in the actors who play them behind the scenes. I don't know any of them personally or have met them, so in no way do what they do in their real life bother me. I just ignore them. I don't pay attention to what they do unless it relates to Charmed.

It helps me enjoy the show more when I don't pay attention to the stars or follow their lives. I admire them, and will always thank them for what they brought to the show and characters. But that's about it.

As for Holly and Shannen no longer being friends. I don't think they are on hating terms. They just are not as close as they used to be, and just speak here and there over the phone still. Didn't Holly debunk that, and mentioned she does speak to Shannen on the phone, not via social media.

[louislemon]

Earlier this year when Krista Vernoff ( I think that’s her surname) came forward and spoke about how her experience on charmed.

Holly and Alyssa replied to the situation but fans replied back to Holly and confronted her about how no one gets along and that she and shannen don’t even speak anymore and Holly’s reply was ‘Oh well’. JustI assumed from that that they aren’t speaking any more cos they don’t follow each other on Instagram anymore and I think that’s sad considering they were friends for so long and since Shannen is dealing with her diagnosis. But I shouldn’t delve too deep into something so personal for it doesn’t concern me.

I can also separate the artist from the art but it does have a taint to the show in my opinion.

[Aaeiyn]

Dec 6, 2021 16:12:02 GMT -5 louislemon said:

I can also separate the artist from the art but it does have a taint to the show in my opinion.

To some degree, this might be true. I do know my disliking of the Phoebe character began in S4E14 "The Three Faces of Phoebe". I really began to notice how "Mary Sue" the Phoebe character became, at this point, where Phoebe could "do no wrong", and that Phoebe is "the star", of the series. Something, I'm highly against is when writers begin telling me "how great" a character is without the evidence. And, I can't help but feel like Alyssa Milano had something to do with it. This isn't me "bashing" Alyssa Milano. This is (more or less) an observation of what I've noticed. Hear me out...

I do think both Shannen Doherty and Milano wanted to be "the star" of Charmed. Which is probably why S1 was heavily centered around the Prue (Doherty) character, and why the show told us that Prue is "the strongest". In the beginning, watching the show, I wasn't a fan of the Prue character because she just felt a little too "Mary Sue", for my liking. She's "the strongest" and "can't do no wrong" and "just great at everything" (including Martial Arts which was supposed to be Phoebe's thing, but I digress). I don't like those kind of characters, and why Prue will never be a "favorite", of mine (personally). Then, after Doherty's departure (whether Doherty was fired or quit isn't really relevant, and I'm not interested in arguing over whether she was fired or not because I really don't care about that, but I digress), Milano became more of "the star", and the show already crowned Prue as "the strongest", so we're just going to make Phoebe have "celebrity status", instead! Apparently, Phoebe is this AMAZING "advice columnist" despite stealing the job (their innocent Karen), in the first place and attempting to take credit for someone else's work (Man of the Season: Leslie), but anything to make the Phoebe character "look good", right?

The reason why I brought up Doherty, in this conversation, is because there is documented evidence of Doherty being very vocal about the direction of the show (despite not being a producer, which Milano did eventually become, along with Holly Marie Combs, but I digress), and why Brad Kern and Doherty was "the real feud" and not Doherty vs Milano. Because Doherty was fairly vocal about where the direction of the show should go, there's NO WAY Doherty didn't have a say, in how her character would act, behave and what have you. I do know that Constance M. Burge and Doherty were on the same wave length, in regards to how the show should've been handled. Until, Burge left after two seasons, Doherty was not happy with Kern's direction, of the series. And, the two did butt heads. Whether that led to her getting fired or her quitting, again IDC, that's not the point. All that being said and done, Doherty (like Milano) had input, in how the show should go. And, why I think BOTH of them wanted to be "the star", of the series. Either way, I didn't like either one of their "Mary Sue" characters. I will say, the Prue character has slightly more flaws, than "Mary Sue" Phoebe. If I am going to have to endure one of the "Mary Sue" characters, I'd rather deal with the Prue character than Phoebe's.

All that said and done, IK there's some backlash against both Combs and Rose McGowan for being highly critical of the Charmed Reboot and not being nice about it. Really, none of that has anything to do with their characters, as neither one of them tried to "Mary Sue" their respective characters, which I appreciate. Plus, I don't even think McGowan had that much power, on the show, anyway, even if she wanted to. The most "outrageous" thing she did was dye her hair without permission because she knew she wouldn't get it. And, her red hair rocked, anyway, so LOL

That being said and done, I don't like it, when the actors try to "Mary Sue" their characters because that's just the actor's way of trying to promote themselves rather than trying to tell a story. Which is why I tend to gravitate towards the likes of both Piper and Paige because they're both far from being "Mary Sues" and actually have done wrong which is fine by me because I (personally) don't like "too perfect". I want complexity which is why characters like Cole, Chris, Brody, etc., are classified as "great characters", in my book because they're much more complicated and really makes you think.

At best, I don't like it, when actors "Mary Sue" their characters. Otherwise, IDC what kind of "behind-the-scenes" drama all the actors are involved in. They're not they're characters nor should they be because the characters aren't real, but the actors are. Actors are paid to act and be what they're not. I'd be more worried, if the actors are too much like their characters because then they're not really "acting" are they? ;P

[rebooted]

Dec 6, 2021 13:16:59 GMT -5 louislemon said:

I’m a huge fan of charmed. It’s been my comfort show since I was 9 years old and I always rewatch it every year. It’s fun and safe and super camp which I love but it has great relationships between the sisters which I love.

So, when I found that apparently no one on that show seemed to like each other really shocked me.

Alyssa & Shannen didn’t get along ( famously)
Alyssa & Rose now don’t get along
Alyssa & Holly remain on speaking terms. ( I believe)
Holly & Shannen are no longer friends.


It’s such a weird thing to witness. They all had great chemistry but to find out that they don’t actually get along is mad to me.


Does it colour your view on the show? I can’t help but think of how Alyssa and Rose now don’t get along when I watch a scene they’re both in.


What do you think?

Yeah it was kinda like when the Spice Girls broke up and the whole mantra of 'Friendship Never Ends' was seen as such a sham. But even when looking back at that now, there were so many other pressures - men were still controlling them like the Charmed actressess  and women were booted out of management just like the writers. I think back then there was a lot of competition between women rather than strength in collectivism. 

I think what is also kinda gross is that

Alyssa and Brian were together while onscreen he was with Holly

and Julian was with Shannen when Alyssa was onscreen lovers with Cole/Julian. 

Ad that to the fact that Kern was and is a proven creep. 

And the network not taking Charmed seriously and not promoting it as much as their other shows, even though it was #2. 

I think the tension was bad due to bad culture. 

They didn't do the Friends thing and make sure they became Friends with the whole 'we're all going into the office with our demands and salary expectations'.

Also to add, that Charmed came along in a genre that was on its way out - both with the girl power and supernatural drama sense. And post 911, the world changed back to men being saviours of the day and the days of the 'third' wave of feminism were out by the turn of the century. 

I think you gotta give credit to Charmed for trying to stay relevant - because by 2006, it seemed like it had past its used by date by 2001.

[Esmeralda]

Nope, doesn't upset me at all, since I've never cared for any of the actors, just the characters. I much prefer fanfics where they are TRULY Prue, Piper, Phoebe and Paige and not Shannen, Holly, Alyssa and Rose the way S5-8 "Piper" is really Holly's Mary Sue with powers and S5-8 "Phoebe" is really Alyssa's Mary Sue with powers. As soon as I realized that during S5, I stopped being interested in what's going on with the actors.

If the actors don't care enough about us fans to get along so we can have a reunion or a reboot with them, why should I care about them or be upset?

[Aaeiyn]

Dec 7, 2021 8:38:17 GMT -5 Esmeralda said:

If the actors don't care enough about us fans to get along so we can have a reunion or a reboot with them, why should I care about them or be upset?

To be fair to Holly Marie Combs, she has been using her "neutral" status in trying to "gather up the troops", for reunions and/or reboots. So far (according to Combs and sometimes Alyssa Milano), it seems that Shannen Doherty would be open to doing a reboot along with Milano.

Only Rose McGowan is being stubborn in not wanting to act, at all, anymore, BUT McGowan is willing to do "behind-the-scenes" work like writing, producing, and/or directing. I believe Emmett posted that conversation, here, I'll go grab it:

Oct 14, 2021 5:48:08 GMT -5 Emmett said:

To which, Combs expressed, in that same video, that Doherty seems to be on board with doing a reunion and/or reboot and even defended the director position, in favor of Doherty.

I posted another interview, in regards to Combs trying her hardest, to include McGowan, in this interview. It does seem like and appear that McGowan is fine with "getting along" with most everyone, from the show...except for Milano. But, good 'ol Combs applying that guilt trip, at least got McGowan a little bit interested in directing, at least. Which puts McGowan in the same room/vaccinity of Milano.

As far as I've researched, I don't think McGowan has any issues at Doherty, either. My proof of that is here. Also, the fact that McGowan even addresses Doherty by name (and not Milano) is very telling, as well.  And, I've seen how vulgar and nasty McGowan's tweets can be especially directed at Milano. I've not seen McGowan be that aggressive nor vulgar towards Doherty nor Combs (or anyone else, from the show). It's only directed at Milano.

But, anyway...

EDIT: That aside, both McGowan and Combs expressed about finding an "ally" via network which is where Holly brought up Netflix's name, as a potential "ally", on their side.

[zoeysmom]

A bit. It would be nice if the actresses all got along better. 

[BriannaWarren2.0]

I try to separate the art from the artist, so I try not to let the behind the scenes drama affect my judgement of any television series I watch. 

I would have loved it if all the actresses got along and if we could have had a Charmed reunion whether that's an interview or a movie or another season of the show, I would have loved if Prue and Paige were able to meet each other which is unfortunate that they never did, I don't consider the comics canon so to me they have never met. 

It does upset me knowing that we will never see them all together again and that they will live on in our imagination which might be the only place where they will have a friendly sisterly relationship. 

[Katie Warren]

Dec 8, 2021 21:48:19 GMT -5 BriannaWarren2.0 said:

I try to separate the art from the artist, so I try not to let the behind the scenes drama affect my judgement of any television series I watch. 

I would have loved it if all the actresses got along and if we could have had a Charmed reunion whether that's an interview or a movie or another season of the show, I would have loved if Prue and Paige were able to meet each other which is unfortunate that they never did, I don't consider the comics canon so to me they have never met. 

It does upset me knowing that we will never see them all together again and that they will live on in our imagination which might be the only place where they will have a friendly sisterly relationship. 

And that's fine with me. I can just stick to all the wonderful fanfics that so many fans have written showing a reunion with the characters in stories, or Prue and Paige meeting. 

I too just separate art from the artist. If I couldn't do that, then I may as well not watch any of my favorite shows. When so much behind the scenes drama keeps coming out all the time.

[BriannaWarren2.0]

Dec 8, 2021 22:45:46 GMT -5 Katie Warren said:

Dec 8, 2021 21:48:19 GMT -5 BriannaWarren2.0 said:

I try to separate the art from the artist, so I try not to let the behind the scenes drama affect my judgement of any television series I watch. 

I would have loved it if all the actresses got along and if we could have had a Charmed reunion whether that's an interview or a movie or another season of the show, I would have loved if Prue and Paige were able to meet each other which is unfortunate that they never did, I don't consider the comics canon so to me they have never met. 

It does upset me knowing that we will never see them all together again and that they will live on in our imagination which might be the only place where they will have a friendly sisterly relationship. 

And that's fine with me. I can just stick to all the wonderful fanfics that so many fans have written showing a reunion with the characters in stories, or Prue and Paige meeting. 

I too just separate art from the artist. If I couldn't do that, then I may as well not watch any of my favorite shows. When so much behind the scenes drama keeps coming out all the time.

It's the same for me, I wouldn't be able to watch anything if I took behind the scenes seriously and factored them into my decision on whether or not to watch something.

I love all the FanFictions that have been written about the sisters and Paige meeting Prue.

I have this idea that Queen Phoebe stumbled across a resurrection ritual in the Source's Grimoire and the sisters decide against the Elders wishes to preform the ritual and it is successful; Prue is back: we later learn that it was the Elders keeping Prue from coming back with her grandmother, who they have taken out with the heart attack, and mother so they could control the Charmed Ones through Leo which doesn't end up working out due to Leo becoming the first fallen whitelighter to help the Halliwell family fight the tyranny of the Elders.

What are your thoughts?  

[Elle Em]

The only way something having to do with the actresses would upset me is if one of them turned out to be a truly horrible person. It doesn't bother me if they have different opinions than me or if they don't get along. 

And since I wasn't a fan of how the show ended, and if any reunion would be based on that, there's a silver lining for me in that they don't get along because I don't think I'd like any new content they came up with. Not that I have to watch it if they did, but it would hurt a little to see energy being put into something I feel lost its way a long time ago. I've already gotten everything I'm going to get out of this story. 

[Esmeralda]

Dec 9, 2021 8:04:10 GMT -5 Elle Em said:

The only way something having to do with the actresses would upset me is if one of them turned out to be a truly horrible person. It doesn't bother me if they have different opinions than me or if they don't get along. 

And since I wasn't a fan of how the show ended, and if any reunion would be based on that, there's a silver lining for me in that they don't get along because I don't think I'd like any new content they came up with. Not that I have to watch it if they did, but it would hurt a little to see energy being put into something I feel lost its way a long time ago. I've already gotten everything I'm going to get out of this story. 

You are very right about all of that. Of course since the one who's least-likely to be part of a reunion is Rose (who I don't care for even though I love Paige. I know she went through a lot, but she's an actress. Dropping out was a smart thing for her to do), I'd hope they'd figure a way to make S4-8 go away and show what happened 20 years after 'All Hell Breaks Loose' with Prue surviving. Hopefully they do something like this while Shannen (another one I don't care for, even though I love Prue) is still around.

[zoeysmom]

Dec 10, 2021 21:12:20 GMT -5 Esmeralda said:

Dec 9, 2021 8:04:10 GMT -5 Elle Em said:

The only way something having to do with the actresses would upset me is if one of them turned out to be a truly horrible person. It doesn't bother me if they have different opinions than me or if they don't get along. 

And since I wasn't a fan of how the show ended, and if any reunion would be based on that, there's a silver lining for me in that they don't get along because I don't think I'd like any new content they came up with. Not that I have to watch it if they did, but it would hurt a little to see energy being put into something I feel lost its way a long time ago. I've already gotten everything I'm going to get out of this story. 

You are very right about all of that. Of course since the one who's least-likely to be part of a reunion is Rose (who I don't care for even though I love Paige. I know she went through a lot, but she's an actress. Dropping out was a smart thing for her to do), I'd hope they'd figure a way to make S4-8 go away and show what happened 20 years after 'All Hell Breaks Loose' with Prue surviving. Hopefully they do something like this while Shannen (another one I don't care for, even though I love Prue) is still around.

I'm not particularly fond of Rose McGowan or Shannen Doherty either, even though I loved Prue and liked Paige okay as a character.

[forbuss]

Dec 7, 2021 8:38:17 GMT -5 Esmeralda said:

Nope, doesn't upset me at all, since I've never cared for any of the actors, just the characters. I much prefer fanfics where they are TRULY Prue, Piper, Phoebe and Paige and not Shannen, Holly, Alyssa and Rose the way S5-8 "Piper" is really Holly's Mary Sue with powers and S5-8 "Phoebe" is really Alyssa's Mary Sue with powers. As soon as I realized that during S5, I stopped being interested in what's going on with the actors.

If the actors don't care enough about us fans to get along so we can have a reunion or a reboot with them, why should I care about them or be upset?

I echo this. It doesn't upset me. However, I don't really like the stars drudging things up so long after the show has ended.

At this point basically every show I have watched has had "drama" or "tension" - call it what you may. Desperate Housewives, Golden Girls, Buffy, Charmed... We need to remember that a TV set is a work place and there will always be people who don't get a long in any work place. The goal is to peacefully co-exist and put the show first, a feat some achieve and others don't.

Also, these film sets have a lot of money on the line in terms of production and a lot of ego. Never underestimate the fact that it could have been WB execs creating a storyline that worsened the women's relationships with each other.

At the end of the day all of the characters and folks who played them hold a special place in my heart. I love them for playing some of my favorite characters.

[Lexi]

Dec 16, 2021 9:17:15 GMT -5 forbuss said:

At this point basically every show I have watched has had "drama" or "tension" - call it what you may. Desperate Housewives, Golden Girls, Buffy, Charmed... We need to remember that a TV set is a work place and there will always be people who don't get a long in any work place. The goal is to peacefully co-exist and put the show first, a feat some achieve and others don't.

Also, these film sets have a lot of money on the line in terms of production and a lot of ego. Never underestimate the fact that it could have been WB execs creating a storyline that worsened the women's relationships with each other.

Very true about the workplace and tension. It's a lot of the reason why nothing that happens behind the scenes will stop me liking the bits of Charmed that I do like.

I struggle to like some of the women as actresses. I actually love that Rose doesn't want to act anymore. For one, she was never all that great at it anyway. But for another, we always say that people should do what makes them happyy. Rose has a lot of trauma and some of that will come from her time in the industry (as well as the cult she grew up in) so if stepping away from all that makes her happy, I'm all for it. I fully support her doing what she needs to do to heal as long as it isn't harmful to other people.

Friendships don't all last. The people we thought we knew can turn into the complete opposite. Plus, everyone changes as they face trauma, deal with changing lifestyles like becoming wives and moms, and just dealing with changing political views as we become more educated about things. All these changes can end up leading to broken friendships because the compatibility isn't there. We all change as we grow up, so while it's a shame that they're not all close anymore, it's understandable.

I think we're going to start seeing it with the Supernatural lot soon. There have already been some tension that was aired publically. I sometimes think these celebrities need to put their phones down and remember how they dealt with these negative feelings before the time of social media. Not everything has to be put out in the public eye. That is where I'm losing some of the respect for the women of Charmed. Some of them put a little too much on social media and should just step away.

[Olga Halliwell]

Dec 19, 2021 21:41:56 GMT -5 Lexi said:

Dec 16, 2021 9:17:15 GMT -5 forbuss said:

At this point basically every show I have watched has had "drama" or "tension" - call it what you may. Desperate Housewives, Golden Girls, Buffy, Charmed... We need to remember that a TV set is a work place and there will always be people who don't get a long in any work place. The goal is to peacefully co-exist and put the show first, a feat some achieve and others don't.

Also, these film sets have a lot of money on the line in terms of production and a lot of ego. Never underestimate the fact that it could have been WB execs creating a storyline that worsened the women's relationships with each other.

Very true about the workplace and tension. It's a lot of the reason why nothing that happens behind the scenes will stop me liking the bits of Charmed that I do like.

I struggle to like some of the women as actresses. I actually love that Rose doesn't want to act anymore. For one, she was never all that great at it anyway. But for another, we always say that people should do what makes them happyy. Rose has a lot of trauma and some of that will come from her time in the industry (as well as the cult she grew up in) so if stepping away from all that makes her happy, I'm all for it. I fully support her doing what she needs to do to heal as long as it isn't harmful to other people.

Friendships don't all last. The people we thought we knew can turn into the complete opposite. Plus, everyone changes as they face trauma, deal with changing lifestyles like becoming wives and moms, and just dealing with changing political views as we become more educated about things. All these changes can end up leading to broken friendships because the compatibility isn't there. We all change as we grow up, so while it's a shame that they're not all close anymore, it's understandable.

I think we're going to start seeing it with the Supernatural lot soon. There have already been some tension that was aired publically. I sometimes think these celebrities need to put their phones down and remember how they dealt with these negative feelings before the time of social media. Not everything has to be put out in the public eye. That is where I'm losing some of the respect for the women of Charmed. Some of them put a little too much on social media and should just step away.

Same here. It's another reason, I don't care at all about the actresses or their personal lives. I'm just interested if it relates to Charmed. I admire them for playing my favorite characters, but that's where it stops. I'm just over all the drama I see these days with Hollywood stars. It's why I don't follow any of their social accounts or news.

You nailed it Lexi. I agree, so many stars need to just step away from social media or not post so much. If there's problems, talk about it over the phone or in private like the pre-social media days. Don't put it on social media, where then you'll have millions of fans butting in. 

Like you, I don't let the behind the scenes stuff get in the way of loving the show. Separate star from character, don't get caught up with the stars behind the scenes or their personal lives or conflicts/drama and that works for me.