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Post by peytonmarie on Feb 5, 2022 7:58:35 GMT -5
The Power of Three stems from the Charmed Ones' bond as sisters. And in my mind, it's always been a completely distinct thing from their individual powers as witches since every witch in their line has one of three gifts.
What if they had an adopted sister or a half-sister on Victor's non-magical side? Should that person be able to become a Charmed One if the bond as sisters is strong enough?
On the flip side, what if the sisters grew up as witches but were separated? (e.g. to save them from Nicholas, Patty decides to give up the baby - Phoebe - for adoption) Without a sisterly bond, are they still the Charmed Ones?
I just want to hear your thoughts on this. And possibly read some fanfiction exploring this sort of premise.
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Post by Esmeralda on Feb 5, 2022 8:38:52 GMT -5
Put it this way. I don't like the idea of a half-sister who wasn't raised with them being able to be a Charmed One. I understand why they did it, but it doesn't mean I have to like it. It's part of why I consider S4-8 as an alternate-universe spin-off.
Something like what you're talking about, I'd hate. At least Paige is a Warren, which is why I can make her an exception.
Now if Paige was Victor's daughter, not Patty's and who was raised with them - so still a biological sister but not a Warren and not a witch - that I'd I like - but I'd prefer her dying instead of Prue and becoming their whitelighter so Leo can become mortal and maybe stop Piper from doing so much whining about a normal life. It also means the three real Charmed Ones remain the Charmed Ones. Maybe that's what I see happening in the REAL Charmedverse, not the alternate universe one I had to tolerate watching. I'll have to think about that...maybe make that part of my own head canon.
But not biologically-related at all? I don't care how much they bond! If she's not a witch and not a Warren, I wouldn't want her to be able to become a Charmed One.
And, no, not every Warren had one of Melinda's power - the three 20s cousins didn't. It's the fact that each of the first set and then the second set each had one of her powers that let them become Charmed.
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Post by peytonmarie on Feb 5, 2022 10:27:20 GMT -5
And, no, not every Warren had one of Melinda's power - the three 20s cousins didn't. It's the fact that each of the first set and then the second set each had one of her powers that let them become Charmed. I was thinking along the lines of prophesies always being conveniently vague. Three sisters within this particular family is all it really says/needs. So lets say when Patty discovers/believes she can't get pregnant again but wants more children, she and Victor adopt. No one excepts these three sisters to become the Charmed Ones - they assume they'll be born from Prue or Piper's lines - but then it happens. I think it'd be a great way to showcase that an adopted person is still a legitimate member of a family. I forgot about the cousins and if you're right about it being the set of powers that allow them to be Charmed, not their bond, I find that depressing. But thinking about it, you are right. Patty was able to cast a Power of Three spell with Prue and Piper because she could channel Phoebe's power from womb. Considering that, they could have just transferred the Power of Three to other witches when they decided to "retire." Season 8, they switch powers with Billie, Christie and a third sister. Christie turns warlock, kills the third sister for her power. It builds to a climax where the real Charmed Ones choose to take their powers back and give up their normal lives. I imagine there'd be less whining, if nothing else. |
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Post by Aaeiyn on Feb 5, 2022 16:17:00 GMT -5
While, Es is correct that the title "Charmed Ones" (lore wise) stems from the Warren line, but "the Charmed Ones" (also) just means the characters Prue, Piper & Phoebe (and, sometimes, Paige...to some people, at least LOL) and not necessarily talking about the Warren line, itself. That being said, I've always wanted this show to be more diverse than what it was. I do think Paige was a good start, being a half-sister and all rather than a full blooded sister. But, I do really wished for the show to expand upon the word "sisterhood" more rather than just keeping it within the biological blood. First, I'd like to define the words "sisterhood" & "sister": Sisterhood & Sister.The show stayed within the boundaries of only one of those meanings, for both of these words via the number 1 slots and just completely ignored the other definition of it via the number two slots. Imagine how much more diverse this show would've been, had it expanded outside of the biological spectrum. We can have more POC, LGBTQ+ representation, actual women coming together, etc. That being said, I still don't mind the direction that it took 'cause I still relate to it from a "family" perspective rather than just a strictly "sisterhood" perspective. Especially, since the show had them living together, on screen, for the majority of the show (even with Paige), it would've forced the show to expand upon just the manor. Which is another reason why I didn't want Paige to move in with Piper & Phoebe, not because I felt like it was "too soon" but merely because I felt like the show was going backwards instead of progressing forward in trying to work the show outside of that comfort zone. Had it expanded beyond the biological, it would further force them living apart, IMO, but I digress. The point being, I would've loved Charmed to be more diverse in its sisterhood which would mean less actual biological sisters but just sisters through womanhood and actually bringing women together. Instead of just this one family. EDIT: Which is another reason I don't completely hate S8 because S8 attempted to have a "sisterhood" outside of the biological between Billie and the Charmed Ones, but it was horribly executed, unfortunately. A for effort LOL |
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Post by Assassin Witch on Feb 5, 2022 18:41:37 GMT -5
I guess I need a relook at the prophecy. Does anyone have a transcript?
My understanding was that it was the Warren line, so having a half-sister from Victor, she wouldn't be Charmed because she's not a Warren, even if she was a witch from her maternal side.
There would need to be a new prophecy in my mind. And it's probably what a reboot should have done. But they didn't.
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Post by peytonmarie on Feb 5, 2022 19:27:35 GMT -5
And it's probably what a reboot should have done. But they didn't. 100% |
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Post by Esmeralda on Feb 6, 2022 8:53:32 GMT -5
I guess I need a relook at the prophecy. Does anyone have a transcript? My understanding was that it was the Warren line, so having a half-sister from Victor, she wouldn't be Charmed because she's not a Warren, even if she was a witch from her maternal side. There would need to be a new prophecy in my mind. And it's probably what a reboot should have done. But they didn't. *shrug* Well, they threw in Wyatt's prophecy, something no one ever knew about, yet another proof that S4-8 is an alternate-universe spin-off, so why not do what S4-8 did - never mention Melinda Warren or her prophecy? In the alternate-universe spin-off, she probably never existed. That way ANYONE could become Charmed. I just wish they'd done S4-8 as a reboot so I wouldn't have watched it past 'Charmed Again'. |
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Post by Emmett on Feb 6, 2022 17:18:35 GMT -5
I guess I need a relook at the prophecy. Does anyone have a transcript? My understanding was that it was the Warren line, so having a half-sister from Victor, she wouldn't be Charmed because she's not a Warren, even if she was a witch from her maternal side. There would need to be a new prophecy in my mind. And it's probably what a reboot should have done. But they didn't. I guess I need a relook at the prophecy. Does anyone have a transcript? My understanding was that it was the Warren line, so having a half-sister from Victor, she wouldn't be Charmed because she's not a Warren, even if she was a witch from her maternal side. There would need to be a new prophecy in my mind. And it's probably what a reboot should have done. But they didn't. *shrug* Well, they threw in Wyatt's prophecy, something no one ever knew about, yet another proof that S4-8 is an alternate-universe spin-off, so why not do what S4-8 did - never mention Melinda Warren or her prophecy? In the alternate-universe spin-off, she probably never existed. That way ANYONE could become Charmed. I just wish they'd done S4-8 as a reboot so I wouldn't have watched it past 'Charmed Again'. Here's the transcript Assassin Witch : Something Wicca This Way Comes Now stating culminating with the arrival of three sisters. That to me means, that that they are the point of highest development, and where it ends. The Warren line won't get any more powerful after this point. That's my understanding with the word culminating. Like Es, I feel the same way. I wished S4-8 was done as a reboot. Now, if Holly COULD have gotten out of her contract, like she wished she could have after Shannen's firing. I'm sure they'd have rebooted, as I don't think they could continue it with just Alyssa, and two stars down. |
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Post by Assassin Witch on Feb 6, 2022 22:52:10 GMT -5
So, the prophecy was that it had to be three sisters from the Warren line.
Yeah, where and when did Wyatt's prophecy come about because??!? MEH. Like, I love Chris and Wyatt, but twice-blessed BS? Please. Kern, your misogyny is showing again.
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Post by Aaeiyn on Feb 6, 2022 23:02:50 GMT -5
Yeah, where and when did Wyatt's prophecy come about because??!? S5E15 "The Day That Magic Died". Though, even Phoebe & Cole's baby was "prophesized", as well, in S4E15 "Marry-Go-Round". Then, Billie & Christy were "prophesized" (kinda) in S8E10 "Vaya Con Leos" as "the Ultimate Power". Personally, I couldn't care less what "prophecy" any of the writers come up with (including Burge regarding the Charmed Ones). It's all irrelevant (not to mention, nonsense), in the end. It's just a foundation to get the ball rolling. With all these "prophecies" the show came up with, I just roll my eyes as it's a cheap way to make these "prophesized" characters more important than they actually are. |
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Post by zachary on Feb 14, 2022 10:35:05 GMT -5
Apparently, the show was initially pitched as three best friends who become Charmed! I wonder how that would've been!
A part of me thinks that not making the Charmed Ones sisters gives everyone the ability to be Charmed, it's very relatable that way. Like in The Craft, it was about four best friends in a coven- that's something that could've been explored.
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Post by Emmett on Feb 14, 2022 19:27:08 GMT -5
Apparently, the show was initially pitched as three best friends who become Charmed! I wonder how that would've been!
A part of me thinks that not making the Charmed Ones sisters gives everyone the ability to be Charmed, it's very relatable that way. Like in The Craft, it was about four best friends in a coven- that's something that could've been explored. I don't think it would work well at all that way. It's them being sisters that made the show so great. Now, it MIGHT, have worked if the best friends grew up together and were like sisters. But, I don't think it would work as a coven. But if it connected to the elements of air, water, fire and earth. Where each one had a power connected to one of the elements, and connecting the elements together made them Charmed. I don't think the concept would work as well as it did on Charmed. Unless, they were three sisters all separated at birth for protection, and eventually learned they were related when they came together to be the Charmed Ones. You still lose all the chemistry with them growing up that made Charmed so great. But, would it have been a success if they were not sisters. Maybe. Maybe not. We'll never know. As long as they casted great actors who work well off each other, I could see it lasting a season or two. But, I don't think if they went this direction, that Shannen, Holly or Alyssa would be cast. Not that they couldn't pull off playing roommates. Just I'd imagine the WB would have cast them being younger than Prue, Piper and Phoebe. So all three were in their early 20s, and Phoebe's age. So likely casted young actresses about 19-22, not 25-27 like Shannen, Holly and Alyssa were at the time. That reply was longer than I planned. But got me going, thinking about how it may have looked like if WB went with the concept. |
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Post by Aaeiyn on Feb 21, 2022 2:46:14 GMT -5
Apparently, the show was initially pitched as three best friends who become Charmed! I wonder how that would've been!
A part of me thinks that not making the Charmed Ones sisters gives everyone the ability to be Charmed, it's very relatable that way. Like in The Craft, it was about four best friends in a coven- that's something that could've been explored. I think one of "The Craft" actresses (Rachel True) trashed on the original Charmed for taking the concept of "the Craft" but excluding out POC, and I have to agree with that statement ( Source). That is one thing I dislike about the show is its lack of diversity. With "The Craft" being first, having POC is not some new nor strange concept to have. So, I would've much preferred 4-5 friends (and not just 3) being "Charmed" and having that diverse cast instead of restricting itself to just a set of biological sisters and only being about the one family instead of including ALL women which includes POC. I don't think it would work well at all that way. It's them being sisters that made the show so great. I disagree. I think the show was great for having the main leading roles belonging to women rather than men which is already groundbreaking. But, I wish it was more diverse and still keeping the concept of closeness between women and building a sisterhood, that way. Now, it MIGHT, have worked if the best friends grew up together and were like sisters. But, I don't think it would work as a coven. But if it connected to the elements of air, water, fire and earth. Where each one had a power connected to one of the elements, and connecting the elements together made them Charmed. Exactly where I was going pertaining to 4-5 friends. Each one in control of a particular element. I don't think the concept would work as well as it did on Charmed. Unless, they were three sisters all separated at birth for protection, and eventually learned they were related when they came together to be the Charmed Ones. You still lose all the chemistry with them growing up that made Charmed so great. But, would it have been a success if they were not sisters. Maybe. Maybe not. We'll never know. As long as they casted great actors who work well off each other, I could see it lasting a season or two. But, I don't think if they went this direction, that Shannen, Holly or Alyssa would be cast. Not that they couldn't pull off playing roommates. Just I'd imagine the WB would have cast them being younger than Prue, Piper and Phoebe. So all three were in their early 20s, and Phoebe's age. So likely casted young actresses about 19-22, not 25-27 like Shannen, Holly and Alyssa were at the time. And have a diverse cast like POC, members of LGBTQ+, etc. 'Cause honestly that was a low blow to POC by eliminating the one POC from "the Craft" but keeping all the white people and rebranding the name to "Charmed" -_- |
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Post by Aaeiyn on Feb 24, 2022 3:49:55 GMT -5
Responding to this, here: I have never watched one full Buffy or Angel episode. I think that's why Season 3 and 4 are so 'mainstream' popular (since I hear Buffy was a better show?/and its probably more of an iconic 90s show). So nostalgically they remember Season 3 and 4's storyline the most because of the romantic storylines, Prue's Death, Paiges Arrival and baddie like Belthazor, Shax, The Source. And I think personally I have to identify that I was in my first and second year of highschool (Season 1 and 2 being middle school) when Charmed was in its mainstream peak during Season 3 and 4. So I have a bias there about my early teen years being full of Charmed chatter memories at school. But from the 5th season onward as I got into my later teens just made me feel embarrassed to be a fan, and it feels like it passed its shelf life after the 3rd wave of feminism faded away into the mid 2000s. I agree about S3-S4 being "mainstream" popular. I do have a little bit of memories of S5-S7, as I've seen an episode or two, in passing, from those seasons. Sorry, you feel embarrassed. I'm not embarrassed. I'm used to being the oddball within communities. Gives me a chance to learn and vice versa  IK what you mean regarding the feminism wave. It's why I'm in agreement in not having them sisters but friends. And, having a powerful diverse message, this way. |
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Post by Elle Em on Feb 25, 2022 8:03:57 GMT -5
I really like the show featuring sisters who are related to each other. Even with best friends who grew up together, I don't think the same kind of bond can be replicated.
However, there have been a lot of good points in this thread about how non-biological sisters allows for a lot more diversity, which I agree the show desperately needed. And we did have Paige who, while she was biologically related to them, grew up separately and considers her adoptive parents her true parents, which puts her in the position of feeling like a sister and non-sister at the same time.
I like the idea that an adopted sibling or best friends can become a part of magic together, but at the same time I think it leaves things too open. I'd prefer if the Charmed Ones could only be made up of biological sisters, but instead of that being the end of it, I'd like if their relationships to other women could form an important part of their story as well. For instance, maybe they become good friends with another witch who ends up playing an important magical role in their lives. Or perhaps Ava could stick around and be involved in stories with them as well.
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Post by The Crone on Feb 25, 2022 8:20:29 GMT -5
Oh yes. The show could really have been amazing exploring the relationship between female friendships than just sisterhood. Expanding the bond between the sisters, to relationships with other female characters.
Let's face it, Charmed never bothered with this. We saw very little of this on the show. I didn't see Sheila as really their friend. She was just friends with them by association with Darryl. It was always more focused on their romantic relationships outside of their sisterly relationships.
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Post by BriannaWarren2.0 on Feb 25, 2022 9:10:06 GMT -5
Oh yes. The show could really have been amazing exploring the relationship between female friendships than just sisterhood. Expanding the bond between the sisters, to relationships with other female characters. Let's face it, Charmed never bothered with this. We saw very little of this on the show. I didn't see Sheila as really their friend. She was just friends with them by association with Darryl. It was always more focused on their romantic relationships outside of their sisterly relationships. I would have had them still sisters however with them making female friends together and expanding their sisterhood. |
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