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Post by forbuss on Apr 13, 2022 18:35:12 GMT -5
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Post by rebooted on Apr 14, 2022 16:46:58 GMT -5
I actually agree with everything (mostly) that he says. Maybe less about Season 8 being as great as he describes though and also I think there is shared accountability between the sisters vs. Cole about Cole's path of destruction. I am glad that they didn't do the Paige-Cole-Phoebe love triangle thing though.
I loved this review. It's probably the closest to how I feel about Charmed - and that's hard to come by.
Although I do like Seasons 1-4 over 5-8 he helps me understand that it is ok to like the less perfect seasons for what they are considering the multiple constraints the show had to deal with over the course of the series and how it was trying to redeem itself. I feel like this board villainizes you sometimes for liking the Post-Prue era (sometimes!)
I am one of those people that upon rewatching have started to like Season 8 more than I did and dislike Season 2 from what I initially thought was one of the best Seasons but its probably best for stand alone episodes.
Its hard to gage how we ranks the seasons but he obviously views season 6,5 and 2 as the least preferable (can't figure out the order) with 1,3 and 8 as his preferred and Season 4 and 7 somewhere in the middle? - someone please correct/help me here?
I also think international viewers like myself have a different perspective of Charmed than its American viewers do perhaps.
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Esmeralda
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Post by Esmeralda on Apr 14, 2022 23:07:22 GMT -5
Those who know me probably know my reaction towards these videos - I disagreed with practically all of it. I love Early Charmed much more than Latter Charmed (re-watching S3 and S4 the last two years has been mostly painful as compared to re-watching S1 and S2 the previous two years when the only thing I really didn't like is how scary some of the S1 episodes were and the triangle and Jenny - at least he agrees with the last two - but what he said about Prue, I TOTALLY disagree with!) I didn't see the chemistry between Alyssa and Julian; seeing a much bigger chemistry between Shannen and Julian, the same way I saw a much bigger chemistry between Alyssa and Brian than between Holly and Brian - they seemed more like brother/sister than lovers.
Funny thing, the only thing I really agreed with was him explaining why they wanted to do the triangle between Phoebe-Cole-Paige in S5 and why I find myself wishing they had done it. Yes, I hate the S2 triangle (part of why the actresses didn't want to do it), but now I understand why they wanted to do it. Letting Cole fall in love with Paige with her realizing that he was a victim, too, would've let Phoebe be able to accept that a lot of it was her fault, too, and lead to her healing and possibly returning to pre-Sleuthing with the Enemy Phoebe - never Phoebs, but a much better character than PhoeME. Unfortunately they kept PhoeME the way she would've been at the beginning with no real reason to change.
What I don't get is for all the bad things he points out about Charmed, how can he say it's the best?
Actually what I liked best was him absolutely refusing to watch the rip-off and do one of these for that!
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Post by Aaeiyn on Apr 15, 2022 0:24:46 GMT -5
Even though, I'm not a fan of Prue (like the video uploader said), I can't really agree with everything the video uploader said, either. I'm disappointed that the video uploader didn't link their sources about (allegedly) how there was sources out there that state the show never asked Shannen. Even though, he played the same video I showed, in the "Prue Mentions" thread where Shannen said "no", when she was asked to return. If somebody is going to say there's sources out there that counteract with what Shannen said then link to them. Otherwise, I don't believe in these alleged sources, until they're actually provided. I'm going to assume it's just an opinion.
That being said, I don't agree with S6 being one of the worst seasons. I can respect the video uploader's opinion on that. I am surprised to hear the video uploader talk about S8, in a positive way, but I don't think S8 is better than S6. I'm not surprised to hear that S3-S4 was the video uploader's favorite. Most (not all) fans that I've interacted with like the "dark tones" of the show which would be S3-S4. I don't mind "dark tones", either, but I like just a little bit of "campiness", to my entertainment which is probably why I like S6, a lot. And, I keep hearing that Chris wasn't supposed to be Piper's son. According to that video uploader, the show allegedly found out during S6E8 "Sword and the City" but again, no source links.
And, I don't agree with S3E22 "All Hell Breaks Loose" as being a good episode. But, this isn't anything new from me LOL I just want some sources provided, evertyime somebody makes a claim that something is "true" rather than an opinion. I usually do.
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Post by rebooted on Apr 16, 2022 5:56:55 GMT -5
I think the one thing that resonates with me is that I think they did a good job in pulling off bringing in a new sister in a circumstance where it would have been unthinkable in Season 4 to think of a major character being killed off.
I think that was probably the most impressive part of the whole series for me
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Esmeralda
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Post by Esmeralda on Apr 16, 2022 7:59:44 GMT -5
I think the one thing that resonates with me is that I think they did a good job in pulling off bringing in a new sister in a circumstance where it would have been unthinkable in Season 4 to think of a major character being killed off. I think that was probably the most impressive part of the whole series for me They did for the first three or four episodes. That's not enough to make me like S4. The end of it is still my least-favorite storyline, and what he said didn't make me like S3-8 any more than I did before I watched it, even though I know S3-4 is a lot of fans' favorite seasons, just not mine.
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Post by rebooted on Apr 16, 2022 15:43:04 GMT -5
I think the one thing that resonates with me is that I think they did a good job in pulling off bringing in a new sister in a circumstance where it would have been unthinkable in Season 4 to think of a major character being killed off. I think that was probably the most impressive part of the whole series for me They did for the first three or four episodes. That's not enough to make me like S4. The end of it is still my least-favorite storyline, and what he said didn't make me like S3-8 any more than I did before I watched it, even though I know S3-4 is a lot of fans' favorite seasons, just not mine. lol I wasnt posting to convince anyone to my thinking. Some would say 3-4 episodes were enough, some not. I think you make it very clear in most posts about S3-S4+ that you do not like them but thank for you for reiterating that again so we don't forget.
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Post by forbuss on Apr 18, 2022 12:21:44 GMT -5
but what he said about Prue, I TOTALLY disagree with!) It was very obvious that he didn't really like Prue. As some of you know (Es you definitely know), I have had a complex relationship with Prue. She is probably my least favourite but I do tend to get protective of her when the Prue haters rear their heads. However I generally agree with his analysis of Prue in the first two seasons vs season three. Yes - Prue was very intense, over bearing, protective, and perhaps a slight bit arrogant/cocky in the first two seasons. In my mind, Prue was terrified for her and her sisters when they became witches - so she had to put on a strong front in order to be the big sister and leader of the family. In the third season she did relax a little bit like he said into more of her confident super witch persona. This was because all the sisters grew together and became more confident - they were also closer as sisters in S3 compared to S1. However I disagree with him wishing Prue was more like S3 Prue in S1 and S2. Prue was so intense in the first two seasons because their grams had recently passed away and she was leading her sisters through loss, grieving, and then on top of this they discovered they were witches. Prue felt like it was her job to protect her sisters... "Better with Bob" didn't really mention this or any of Prue's great qualities in the first two seasons, like how she was fiercely loyal and caring for her two little sisters. In season three it made sense for Prue to be more secure in her identity. I think this was definitely intentionally done by the writers and acted well by Doherty. If she had of started S1 the way she was in S3 there wouldn't have been anywhere for her character to go. Unlike Better with Bob I do appreciate Prue's journey and growth from S1 to S3.
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Post by rebooted on Apr 20, 2022 3:54:58 GMT -5
but what he said about Prue, I TOTALLY disagree with!) It was very obvious that he didn't really like Prue. As some of you know (Es you definitely know), I have had a complex relationship with Prue. She is probably my least favourite but I do tend to get protective of her when the Prue haters rear their heads. However I generally agree with his analysis of Prue in the first two seasons vs season three. Yes - Prue was very intense, over bearing, protective, and perhaps a slight bit arrogant/cocky in the first two seasons. In my mind, Prue was terrified for her and her sisters when they became witches - so she had to put on a strong front in order to be the big sister and leader of the family. In the third season she did relax a little bit like he said into more of her confident super witch persona. This was because all the sisters grew together and became more confident - they were also closer as sisters in S3 compared to S1. However I disagree with him wishing Prue was more like S3 Prue in S1 and S2. Prue was so intense in the first two seasons because their grams had recently passed away and she was leading her sisters through loss, grieving, and then on top of this they discovered they were witches. Prue felt like it was her job to protect her sisters... "Better with Bob" didn't really mention this or any of Prue's great qualities in the first two seasons, like how she was fiercely loyal and caring for her two little sisters. In season three it made sense for Prue to be more secure in her identity. I think this was definitely intentionally done by the writers and acted well by Doherty. If she had of started S1 the way she was in S3 there wouldn't have been anywhere for her character to go. Unlike Better with Bob I do appreciate Prue's journey and growth from S1 to S3. Yes and Prue's relationship with Andy would have been completely different
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