Similarities between PhoeMe and Meghan Markle?

[rebooted]

I struggle to like Meghan Markle and wish her and Harry well but sometimes (and this is probably the way the media portrays her), I feel like there are similarities with her and Phoebe's character from Season 4ish onward. 

Examples:

-Not taking some responsibility for Cole and the Source possession thing / Meghan being relentlessly unapologetic about her and Harry's contribution to the royal split.

-Leaving the family /causing fractures because of mental health-ish related reasons

-Coming across as 'Me-gain' even though that may not be her intention. 

I can see some parallels between the two in terms of being ambitious, maybe misunderstood, both having father related issues and successful business women. 

I wonder if Phoebe was a male character whether we would be as critical of her selfishness or self-centered-ness and whether there is a double standard?

[turtle64]

Idk. I feel like phoebe was phoeb-me for selfish reasons like love or her job or getting pregnant. All are noble but still selfish. In meghans case she is meh- me because of self- respect. They are different.

But I do think if phoebe was a man we would not be as critical. Probably praised if they spinner it right. What would that look like?

[Aaeiyn]

Sept 7, 2022 5:13:50 GMT -5 rebooted said:

I wonder if Phoebe was a male character whether we would be as critical of her selfishness or self-centered-ness and whether there is a double standard?

I believe there's a double standard regardless if Phoebe is a man or not. It's in regards to Prue's praised actions vs Phoebe's frowned upon actions, for whatever reason.

Nobody can answer why Prue letting Rodriguez go (back in S1E22 "Deja Vu All Over, Again") is OK, but Phoebe (for some reason) letting Cole go (back in S3E8 "Sleuthing with the Enemy") is "bad". It makes ZERO sense.

And, I've been turning things around on the fans on how selfish they are for wanting Phoebe to constantly give up what she wants in life, to save the world. She already lost her sister (Prue), husband (Cole) AND child (Source Baby), want more do you want? For her lose her life, too? These "selfish" arguments are getting pretty dumb and demanding.

[Aaeiyn]

This is (also) why I blindly liked Piper (at first) because she brought up valid points regarding "how long" people expect the Charmed Ones to "take care of everything". I can just imagine people calling old women "selfish" for trying to not tear out their backs (like how Phoebe tore a muscle or w/e in S2E22 "Be Careful What You Witch For") or something because people just EXPECT them to protect them. I'm talking like grandma status well beyond Grams' age. It just sounds silly, to me.

[Aaeiyn]

I will say, I think Phoebe was ALWAYS selfish (not that I think it's a bad thing) and actually became LESS selfish post-S4. She never truly cared about "protecting the innocent" but just "showing off her powers". In fact, I can argue, Phoebe selfishly found the book and FORCED both Piper & Prue into becoming witches alongside her WITHOUT consulting with them about it, first. Sure, she may not have known that that is what would've happened but still. She even jeopardized Prue's job, at Buckland's, for the sake of finding and helping Teri Lane in S1E12 "The Wendigo" without any regard to how Prue may have felt about it. Or, in S2E17 "How to Make a Quilt Out of Americans" how she disregarded Piper's feelings in not wanting to be a witch (which would ultimately affect Phoebe being one, as well) and selfishly treated Piper's valid concerns as if it were nothing. That's why by post-S4 via S5-S8 she became more aware of how she was treating her sisters and became more empathetic (even without that power) to their wishes instead of just making decisions for them and FORCING them on her little adventures (even if it'll "protect the innocent").

EDIT: To add, she (selfishly) used Piper's "peacemaking skills" to have a place to stay despite her "beef" with Prue, in the pilot episode.

[Melinda Halliwell]

I wouldn't say Phoebe or any other sister wasn't allowed to date, get married, or want to go out with friends and have children because they should've of course it's just the way the characters were written later on it was made out that men, Wyatt and Chris or wanting a baby was more important than saving innocents sometimes when all those things should've been level so if Paige was out with work colleagues for example and got a phone call from Piper or Phoebe saying the latter had just received a premonition of an innocent needing saving which required the P03 then Paige makes an excuse saying she needs to leave apologizing and would reschedule their outing again.

This shows Paige having her social life but also honouring her wiccan duties when needed balancing things out.

I do agree Phoebe should've put her hand up concerning Cole and the part she played with him being the Source that wasn't brought up in season 5 which would've been good for her as character growth of course.

[Aaeiyn]

Sept 8, 2022 5:05:04 GMT -5 Melinda Halliwell said:

it was made out that men, Wyatt and Chris or wanting a baby was more important than saving innocents sometimes when all those things should've been level

Sorry but family including those men are ALWAYS going to be more important than strangers. IK S2E21 "Apocalypse, Not" already covered this, but I don't agree with it. How long are the Charmed Ones expected to put things on hold which ultimately what it comes down to, just to appease the "protect the innocent" quota? Which is why I brought up Phoebe losing a lot of things and it's not just her, but Billie, as well. I don't think the fans realize how much the Charmed Ones actually sacrificed for "protecting the innocent".

[BriannaWarren2.0]

Sept 8, 2022 21:07:58 GMT -5 Aaeiyn said:

Sept 8, 2022 5:05:04 GMT -5 Melinda Halliwell said:

it was made out that men, Wyatt and Chris or wanting a baby was more important than saving innocents sometimes when all those things should've been level

Sorry but family including those men are ALWAYS going to be more important than strangers. IK S2E21 "Apocalypse, Not" already covered this, but I don't agree with it. How long are the Charmed Ones expected to put things on hold which ultimately what it comes down to, just to appease the "protect the innocent" quota? Which is why I brought up Phoebe losing a lot of things and it's not just her, but Billie, as well. I don't think the fans realize how much the Charmed Ones actually sacrificed for "protecting the innocent".

I completely agree, if they held things off until it was "okay" for them to do so, they would've been too old to do anything.  

[Aaeiyn]

Sept 9, 2022 2:58:54 GMT -5 BriannaWarren2.0 said:

I completely agree, if they held things off until it was "okay" for them to do so, they would've been too old to do anything.  

I think 8 years is plenty of dedication especially for us women wanting to have and bare children. Waiting too long can cause complications. And, I believe Phoebe was 23 (if we're going according to her birthday on the family tree and assuming the seasons are 1 whole year), when S1 began and was 31 when S8 came to a close. I'm sorry, it's time for her to retire and start creating that family she wants.

Which is why I'm a fan of "Charmed Ones and Other Ally Characters" which is why I like the addition of Billie. The show made it seem like the Charmed Ones were the only witches, in the world to be vanquishing demons/warlocks. Especially, when the Grimlocks didn't need the PO3 to be vanquished. Just need a potion, which I assume ANY witch can make, as long as they have the ingredients.

[BriannaWarren2.0]

Sept 9, 2022 3:13:06 GMT -5 Aaeiyn said:

Sept 9, 2022 2:58:54 GMT -5 BriannaWarren2.0 said:

I completely agree, if they held things off until it was "okay" for them to do so, they would've been too old to do anything.  

I think 8 years is plenty of dedication especially for us women wanting to have and bare children. Waiting too long can cause complications. And, I believe Phoebe was 23 (if we're going according to her birthday on the family tree and assuming the seasons are 1 whole year), when S1 began and was 31 when S8 came to a close. I'm sorry, it's time for her to retire and start creating that family she wants.

Which is why I'm a fan of "Charmed Ones and Other Ally Characters" which is why I like the addition of Billie. The show made it seem like the Charmed Ones were the only witches, in the world to be vanquishing demons/warlocks. Especially, when the Grimlocks didn't need the PO3 to be vanquished. Just need a potion, which I assume ANY witch can make, as long as they have the ingredients.

I would have loved if the Allied characters were of differing specialities, I believe that if the characters were well written and had chemistry, they could have been a great alternative for the sisters but not a replacement.

Examples: 

• Kyra: Reformed Demon | Premonition | Demonic Knowledge.
• Ava Nicolae: Gypsy | Medical and Herbal Knowledge. 
• Billie Jenkins: Witch | Telekinesis | Scrying. 

I would have liked one of the Allied characters to have Historical knowledge so they could identify markings, however Kyra could possibly be the best bet for demonic weaponry, spells and potions.