Favorite Cole + Order

[Aaeiyn]

Disclaimer: This is a continuation from the Favorite Darryl + Order thread.

Which Cole do you like? You're free to select ALL of them, some of them or none, at all! It's completely up to you!

Feel free to even comment below, your preferred order, since there's a lot of combinations, to put into a poll so just comment your "order", down below!

[Aaeiyn]

I voted for 3, 4 & 7.

My order is 3, 4, 7 & 5.

S5 Cole would get my vote, had he kept his S5E3 "Happily Ever After" - S5E4 "Siren Song" & S5E7 "Sympathy for the Demon" - S5E8 "Witch in Time" persona.

S5E5 "Witches in Tights" is almost there, but he had to kill the slum lord. Should've let Phoebe handle it.

[greta]

Voted 3, 4 and 7

My order:
S4 first half, S7, S3, S4 second half, S5.

[goldeneye049]

I'm not a fan of Cole, I choose 7 because his role is unclear, he seems to be a neutral character and I think it suits him well since he was torn between good and evil.

7>4 part 1>>>3>4 part 2>5

[West]

Voted everything but s5 Cole for me. Should've died and stayed gone after S4.

[Paige Yin]

I personally think Cole is an interesting character, good premise, bad execution to pair him up with Phoebe. Not only do I not see the chemistry between the characters (from the first moment it just raised red flags in my mind) but specifically by him getting involved with Phoebe that the plot basically ruined both characters so much that they went beyond redemption to me. Still, Cole is not a bad character, even in Season 5 where he is simply trying to be good but eventually lose hope and went ahead to act according to everyone's assumption of him.

That being said, I do like him in Season 5... when he's not being blamed as the problem for everything that went wrong in Phoebe's life. I personally think Paige/ Cole/ Phoebe romantic triangle will be weird if it's let played out on screen, BUT I do see Paige and Cole forming a good relationship that ended up having her helping him out by binding his powers (it was said that Richard and Paige story arc was originally meant for Cole and her) would make a DOPE story arc instead of what Cole got, and instead of that sad Richard character we get in S6.

So yes, voted for S5 and S3. I won't rant about how much the show try to shove "the only way to be good is to be good" down our throats all 8 years long.

[Aaeiyn]

Jun 3, 2023 0:26:51 GMT -5 Paige Yin said:

I personally think Cole is an interesting character, good premise, bad execution to pair him up with Phoebe. Not only do I not see the chemistry between the characters (from the first moment it just raised red flags in my mind) but specifically by him getting involved with Phoebe that the plot basically ruined both characters so much that they went beyond redemption to me. Still, Cole is not a bad character, even in Season 5 where he is simply trying to be good but eventually lose hope and went ahead to act according to everyone's assumption of him.

I like both Cole & Phoebe as a couple, as long as they were both power hungry individuals. Yes, I consider and deem S1-S4 Phoebe as "power hungry". Until she learned her very tough lesson, in S4E20 "Long Live the Queen" that she can't have both and made the wiser choice/decision to NOT let magic effect her like that, again via S5-S8. We can see her relapse in S6, OFC, but I think she got better after that two episode arc (NOT entire season).

Once Phoebe became LESS selfish, her and Cole were no longer compatible. Just because they were both power hungry doesn't make them "bad for each other". Nothing wrong villainous couples, as long as they're actually compatible with one another, which BOTH Phoebe & Cole were, until Phoebe changed her mind. We can see how bad and guilty she felt, back then and finally learned to heal and stuff, in S5 (thanks to Paige, BTW).

[zachary]

Season 3 > Season 5 > Season 7 > Season 4

[Paige Yin]

Jun 3, 2023 14:21:16 GMT -5 Aaeiyn said:

I like both Cole & Phoebe as a couple, as long as they were both power hungry individuals. Yes, I consider and deem S1-S4 Phoebe as "power hungry". Until she learned her very tough lesson, in S4E20 "Long Live the Queen" that she can't have both and made the wiser choice/decision to NOT let magic effect her like that, again via S5-S8. We can see her relapse in S6, OFC, but I think she got better after that two episode arc (NOT entire season).

Once Phoebe became LESS selfish, her and Cole were no longer compatible. Just because they were both power hungry doesn't make them "bad for each other". Nothing wrong villainous couples, as long as they're actually compatible with one another, which BOTH Phoebe & Cole were, until Phoebe changed her mind. We can see how bad and guilty she felt, back then and finally learned to heal and stuff, in S5 (thanks to Paige, BTW).

once again, we have to agree to disagree here. I don't see Phoebe became less power hungry, she simply directed that trait to her column because obviously shes getting much more privileges and powers than being a witch. What happened next? She constantly uses work as an excuse to get out of her witchcraft duties.

Also, I can't help but see Phoebe likes Cole almost as much as she likes Roger or Leo, the difference is that Cole reciprocated the feeling hence they had developments. But soon as she realized that Cole can't change his "evil" nature? She went hell bent on blaming him for everything. Sometimes it makes me feel that Cole might better end up falling for Prue or Paige tbh, cause those two won't give up saving him halfway, at the first sight of his relapse. Because people do relapse into old habits, especially in extreme conditions. And yes, I'd consider being possessed by the Source, or even under his influence, an extreme condition. Not to mention when he was trying to be good and all he got was all the sisters constantly trying to tell him he's evil, blame him for everything, but still ask for his help when Phoebe gets into troubles. Look, if we want to say that Cole couldn't let go of Phoebe, we should also acknowledge how she (and his family) didn't let go of him too, cause that poor guy gets blame for absolutely everything that happens in their lives, even after death (Oh, there's evil spirits in the house? Must be Cole; There's a chainsaw man in Phoebe's dream? Must be Cole).

TDTL, he's a great character, he just wasn't given the chance to grow that way, which is extremely sad.

[zachary]

Jun 3, 2023 21:11:05 GMT -5 Paige Yin said:

Jun 3, 2023 14:21:16 GMT -5 Aaeiyn said:

I like both Cole & Phoebe as a couple, as long as they were both power hungry individuals. Yes, I consider and deem S1-S4 Phoebe as "power hungry". Until she learned her very tough lesson, in S4E20 "Long Live the Queen" that she can't have both and made the wiser choice/decision to NOT let magic effect her like that, again via S5-S8. We can see her relapse in S6, OFC, but I think she got better after that two episode arc (NOT entire season).

Once Phoebe became LESS selfish, her and Cole were no longer compatible. Just because they were both power hungry doesn't make them "bad for each other". Nothing wrong villainous couples, as long as they're actually compatible with one another, which BOTH Phoebe & Cole were, until Phoebe changed her mind. We can see how bad and guilty she felt, back then and finally learned to heal and stuff, in S5 (thanks to Paige, BTW).

once again, we have to agree to disagree here. I don't see Phoebe became less power hungry, she simply directed that trait to her column because obviously shes getting much more privileges and powers than being a witch. What happened next? She constantly uses work as an excuse to get out of her witchcraft duties.

Also, I can't help but see Phoebe likes Cole almost as much as she likes Roger or Leo, the difference is that Cole reciprocated the feeling hence they had developments. But soon as she realized that Cole can't change his "evil" nature? She went hell bent on blaming him for everything. Sometimes it makes me feel that Cole might better end up falling for Prue or Paige tbh, cause those two won't give up saving him halfway, at the first sight of his relapse. Because people do relapse into old habits, especially in extreme conditions. And yes, I'd consider being possessed by the Source, or even under his influence, an extreme condition. Not to mention when he was trying to be good and all he got was all the sisters constantly trying to tell him he's evil, blame him for everything, but still ask for his help when Phoebe gets into troubles. Look, if we want to say that Cole couldn't let go of Phoebe, we should also acknowledge how she (and his family) didn't let go of him too, cause that poor guy gets blame for absolutely everything that happens in their lives, even after death (Oh, there's evil spirits in the house? Must be Cole; There's a chainsaw man in Phoebe's dream? Must be Cole).

TDTL, he's a great character, he just wasn't given the chance to grow that way, which is extremely sad.

Agreed 100%. 

I never really considered her “power-hungry” in the beginning, i just assumed she was the sister that was most interested in the craft and honing her skills, at least up until season 3. But that’s where I’m starting to understand that she could be power-hungry, because as soon as she gains her active power of levitation, she really doesn’t dig deep into the craft anymore. It makes complete sense now why she became an overnight sensation at the newspaper, because she was power-hungry, and like you said, received more privileges and power in that role rather than as a witch. 

I didn’t think about how Phoebe was attracted to Cole in the sense that she was to Leo and Roger, and heck even Dan! She was always the one to make it known that she “saw someone first”— so to speak. I definitely agree that he would’ve been better off with Prue or Paige, because they were actually bent on saving him at certain points, even more than Phoebe. It always bothered me that the show butchered Cole’s possession arc. He was a trapped human soul in the Demonic Wasteland, and Phoebe refused to save him. I know she didn’t want to risk being around the Grimoire, but as the Charmed Ones, there was always something she could do. Even in Season 5, Paige tried to help him in “Sympathy For the Demon”, but at the end, they weren’t concerned with finding an alternative route rather than returning the demon powers back to Cole. 

[Aaeiyn]

Jun 3, 2023 21:11:05 GMT -5 Paige Yin said:

once again, we have to agree to disagree here. I don't see Phoebe became less power hungry, she simply directed that trait to her column because obviously shes getting much more privileges and powers than being a witch. What happened next? She constantly uses work as an excuse to get out of her witchcraft duties.

Also, I can't help but see Phoebe likes Cole almost as much as she likes Roger or Leo, the difference is that Cole reciprocated the feeling hence they had developments. But soon as she realized that Cole can't change his "evil" nature? She went hell bent on blaming him for everything. Sometimes it makes me feel that Cole might better end up falling for Prue or Paige tbh, cause those two won't give up saving him halfway, at the first sight of his relapse. Because people do relapse into old habits, especially in extreme conditions. And yes, I'd consider being possessed by the Source, or even under his influence, an extreme condition. Not to mention when he was trying to be good and all he got was all the sisters constantly trying to tell him he's evil, blame him for everything, but still ask for his help when Phoebe gets into troubles. Look, if we want to say that Cole couldn't let go of Phoebe, we should also acknowledge how she (and his family) didn't let go of him too, cause that poor guy gets blame for absolutely everything that happens in their lives, even after death (Oh, there's evil spirits in the house? Must be Cole; There's a chainsaw man in Phoebe's dream? Must be Cole).

TDTL, he's a great character, he just wasn't given the chance to grow that way, which is extremely sad.

I don't mind having conversations and learning something new, which you've slightly convinced me that Phoebe may still be power hungry but in a different way. 'Cause after re-watching S5E5 "Witches in Tights", Phoebe exprresses how "powerless", she feels. I just wish the conversations wouldn't get so quickly shut down, when it barely begins. I still think she is less selfish, in the later series than the earlier ones. Might've taken her time to get there, though, as most characters need time to grow.

I don't agree her love for Cole matches her crush on Leo. And, I don't re-call Phoebe admitting to liking Roger. If anything, it's more believable he hit on her, and she wasn't having it. And then Roger lied to Prue about it, to ruin their sisterhood, but I digress.

And, Paige Yin , we both agree on the unfairness of Cole's character. I never argued that point. Only the Phoebe and Cole compatibly. I wanted to understand that position more which thank you for clarifying, though I still disagree. That being said, I've said MULTIPLE times, that Brad Kern should have NEVER brought back Cole! I'm still and will forever be upset with Kern with the mishandeling of Cole. We agree, there 👍

[zachary]

Jun 3, 2023 22:10:07 GMT -5 Aaeiyn said:

Jun 3, 2023 21:11:05 GMT -5 Paige Yin said:

once again, we have to agree to disagree here. I don't see Phoebe became less power hungry, she simply directed that trait to her column because obviously shes getting much more privileges and powers than being a witch. What happened next? She constantly uses work as an excuse to get out of her witchcraft duties.

Also, I can't help but see Phoebe likes Cole almost as much as she likes Roger or Leo, the difference is that Cole reciprocated the feeling hence they had developments. But soon as she realized that Cole can't change his "evil" nature? She went hell bent on blaming him for everything. Sometimes it makes me feel that Cole might better end up falling for Prue or Paige tbh, cause those two won't give up saving him halfway, at the first sight of his relapse. Because people do relapse into old habits, especially in extreme conditions. And yes, I'd consider being possessed by the Source, or even under his influence, an extreme condition. Not to mention when he was trying to be good and all he got was all the sisters constantly trying to tell him he's evil, blame him for everything, but still ask for his help when Phoebe gets into troubles. Look, if we want to say that Cole couldn't let go of Phoebe, we should also acknowledge how she (and his family) didn't let go of him too, cause that poor guy gets blame for absolutely everything that happens in their lives, even after death (Oh, there's evil spirits in the house? Must be Cole; There's a chainsaw man in Phoebe's dream? Must be Cole).

TDTL, he's a great character, he just wasn't given the chance to grow that way, which is extremely sad.

I don't mind having conversations and learning something new, which you've slightly convinced me that Phoebe may still be power hungry but in a different way. 'Cause after re-watching S5E5 "Witches in Tights", Phoebe exprresses how "powerless", she feels. I just wish the conversations wouldn't get so quickly shut down, when it barely begins. I still think she is less selfish, in the later series than the earlier ones. Might've taken her time to get there, though, as most characters need time to grow.

I don't agree her love for Cole matches her crush on Leo. And, I don't re-call Phoebe admitting to liking Roger. If anything, it's more believable he hit on her, and she wasn't having it. And then Roger lied to Prue about it, to ruin their sisterhood, but I digress.

And, Paige Yin , we both agree on the unfairness of Cole's character. I never argued that point. Only the Phoebe and Cole compatibly. I wanted to understand that position more which thank you for clarifying, though I still disagree. That being said, I've said MULTIPLE times, that Brad Kern should have NEVER brought back Cole! I'm still and will forever be upset with Kern with the mishandeling of Cole. We agree, there 👍

Lol, we re-watched that together and I still didn’t see that until you mentioned it   that’s a really good point, that she felt powerless in that episode. 

So while I do feel like her crushes on people are generally the same, like with Jason, Leslie, and Dex, I don’t know why I threw in Roger’s name, when I don’t feel like she had a crush on him, yuck!

[Ruth Marie]

Season 3 > Season 7 > Season 4 > Season 5