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Post by Aaeiyn on Nov 23, 2024 3:56:41 GMT -5
I respect that but respectfully disagree because Phoebe deserved better than Cole. He took away her love for magic and I will never forgive him for that. I've said, numerously, that Phoebe didn't owe Cole a relationship, in S5A. And, before Cole came into the picture, Prue rightfully called out Phoebe in the end of S2E17 "How to Make a Quilt Out of Americans", that Phoebe's "love for magic" or "wanting to be a witch" was because she was "young". I have to agree with Prue, here. Even then, I don't think it was "fun with magic", for Phoebe but "loving the power", she got out of it. I don't think Cole is the reason for Phoebe maturing. It would've happened with or without him, as we age. 'Cause even post-Cole, Phoebe is the reason they still kept their powers in the end of S4E22 "Witch Way, Now?". Her reason, she didn't like not having powers. Not because she loves magic. Another part was saving the innocent, but she specified not liking the feeling of not having her powers even more than rescuing Selena. Just "power hungry" Phoebe showing it's head, again, but that's OK, I still love Phoebe for it lol |
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Post by prueislove on Nov 23, 2024 4:07:43 GMT -5
Power hungry is not a bad thing though. Power for evil is bad. Phoebe having to vanquish Cole drained her to the point that she didn't want to be a witch anymore. I disagree it was just due to being young personally and you know I love Prue.
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Post by Aaeiyn on Nov 23, 2024 4:22:59 GMT -5
Power hungry is not a bad thing though. Power for evil is bad. Phoebe having to vanquish Cole drained her to the point that she didn't want to be a witch anymore. I disagree it was just due to being young personally and you know I love Prue. The way Phoebe wanted it, prior to Cole was really selfish. She didn't seem to care how freaked out Prue was about it, in the pharmacy, in S1E1 "Something Wicca This Way Comes". Or, Phoebe freaking out because Prue had it with the magic in S2E1 "Witch Trial", and Phoebe was more concerned about no longer having powers than Prue's grieving. Same with Piper's feelings about it in S2E17 "How to Make a Quilt Out of Americans". Phoebe was pouting and even begged Piper to, at least get their powers back because Phoebe didn't want to give it up, not even for her own sisters. And, I love Phoebe, but IK and understand this is her character. |
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Post by prueislove on Nov 23, 2024 4:34:26 GMT -5
And? Humans are selfish. Piper was selfish to marry Leo while hiding it from the Elders. Prue was selfish to let her personal demons ruin Piper's wedding. Paige was selfish to put Glen in danger despite Piper warning her. Phoebe was always the wild child - she's always been selfish. She walked out on her sisters after her Grams's death.
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Post by Aaeiyn on Nov 23, 2024 4:50:21 GMT -5
And? Humans are selfish. Piper was selfish to marry Leo while hiding it from the Elders. Prue was selfish to let her personal demons ruin Piper's wedding. Paige was selfish to put Glen in danger despite Piper warning her. Phoebe was always the wild child - she's always been selfish. She walked out on her sisters after her Grams's death. And, that's why I view Phoebe's thirst for power as "bad" because it was never about helping people. I agree humans are selfish, my faith points it out and teaches us to sacrifice our wants & desires for others. But, now I feel like you're the one grasping at straws here. What kind of retort is "and?"? That's not an argument. It's very immature and childish, so I'll kindly take a step back and just say Phoebe "liking magic" wasn't for others but herself, and what made her feel special and good. Not for the sake of helping others. It's why I like S5b-S8 Phoebe. I think she's less selfish in those seasons/time. |
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Post by prueislove on Nov 23, 2024 4:54:29 GMT -5
I'm not grasping at straws. I just think you hate Phoebe a lot, that's all and Cole is your favourite. You have not really convinced me at all, if I'm honest. I will also ask not to throw personal attacks as I have not done that. I think Phoebe was one of the best sisters in s5 because she didn't let Cole manipulate her again - its not her fault he was driven to madness, it was his own. He should have moved on with his life.
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Post by Aaeiyn on Nov 23, 2024 5:06:19 GMT -5
I'm not grasping at straws. I just think you hate Phoebe a lot, that's all and Cole is your favourite. You have not really convinced me at all, if I'm honest. I will also ask not to throw personal attacks as I have not done that. I think Phoebe was one of the best sisters in s5 because she didn't let Cole manipulate her again - its not her fault he was driven to madness, it was his own. He should have moved on with his life. You're putting words in my mouth I never said. When did I say that I hate Phoebe in the year 2024 going on 2025? I've said many times, throughout this board, in 2024 going on 2025, that Phoebe is my favorite sister, and she's one of my favorite characters. I like Cole, too. I like both characters. I even said I understand why Phoebe acted the way she did and agree she doesn't owe Cole a relationship. What I said was they should've helped him better than they did, as that is their duty as the Charmed Ones and Cole absolutely needed to find himself outside of Phoebe. It's like you're not hearing me. Not trying to make it personal, but you just keep wanting to attack Cole regardless, and Phoebe already tried that, and it didn't work, in fact it made things worse, as we saw. Paige had the right idea, and I wished the show continued with that route. |
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Post by prueislove on Nov 23, 2024 6:26:42 GMT -5
Paige, are you serious? She was the one most against the Phoebe and Cole relationship even more than Prue. I do hate Cole. Maybe that is clouding my judgement but I don't think its realistic for Phoebe to put aside such personal feelings to help Cole.
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Post by Aaeiyn on Nov 23, 2024 10:23:11 GMT -5
Paige, are you serious? She was the one most against the Phoebe and Cole relationship even more than Prue. I do hate Cole. Maybe that is clouding my judgement but I don't think its realistic for Phoebe to put aside such personal feelings to help Cole. When, I said Paige had the right idea, I meant in S5E7 "Sympathy for the Demon". She tried so hard to help Cole and was against the idea of returning back the powers to Cole from Barbas. I think your hatred towards Cole is clouding your judgement. In regards to Phoebe pushing aside her feelings to help Cole is unfair, yes, but her and her sisters are held ti a higher standard/have a higher calling, and it includes a lot of sacrifice. Which is why I understand their side in S8. I don't agree with it, but I understand it. |
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Post by prueislove on Nov 23, 2024 10:37:07 GMT -5
I'm sorry but I don't agree with you. I'm very much Team Phoebe.
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Post by Aaeiyn on Nov 23, 2024 10:59:59 GMT -5
I'm sorry but I don't agree with you. I'm very much Team Phoebe. There's no "teams", though? They BOTH needed help, and as I said earlier, if we need to keep the two separate, Paige & Piper should've helped Cole better than they did. But again, ALL of this could've been avoided, if he just stayed dead back in S4E20 "Long Live the Queen". S5A just ruined Cole. Or, he left town in S5E2 "A Witch's Tail, Pt 2". Can we, at least, agree on that? |
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Post by prueislove on Nov 23, 2024 11:11:17 GMT -5
Cole should have not been in s5 yes. He was far too much of a stalker and I hate stalkers but I don't fault Phoebe (or Piper and Paige) at all for the way she reacted. You can love someone but not let them back in your life but Cole didn't accept no. He only acted good to try and win her back not because he wanted to be in Siren Song.
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Post by angelap on Nov 25, 2024 21:44:25 GMT -5
Piper and Paige. Paige is great this season. Despite being a Phoebe fan, this season she doesn't win over the other two.
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