Should Andy have died?

[rebooted]

Should Andy have died?

What purpose did it serve to the long term storyplan ?

I wonder if the show would have been better over the next 3 years if Andy stuck around somehow.

Also I wonder how he'd vibe with Dan and Leo and later Cole as well.

The dynamic with Daryl would have been great too!

[Elle Em]

Andy should have lived. He was a great connection to the real world for the sisters. Replacing him with characters that were magical took away the groundedness of the show and made it less interesting to me. 

I don't think they needed to have him and Prue end up together, however. I'd actually have liked it better if he and Prue had been best friends growing up, never dating, and he and Piper started dating as adults, seeing as how they both wanted a normal life so badly. 

[Assassin Witch]

Sudden need of Andy and Cole. They would definitely not get along at first. But if they kept more of Cole in the DA's office, they'd have to work together professionally. And I can imagine good Andy and Phoebe conversations.

Oh man. I need to write this down for maybe one day fic.

[Melinda Halliwell]

No.

I liked his character being a childhood friend to the Halliwell sisters plus his relationship with Prue and knowing their secret as witches whilst being non-magical.

He was also a good comedic foil with Darryl and a good partner with him as well which I enjoyed throughout season one.

Darryl's character suffered somewhat without Andy afterwards I thought.

[Elle Em]

Dec 7, 2023 12:54:04 GMT -5 Assassin Witch said:

Sudden need of Andy and Cole. They would definitely not get along at first. But if they kept more of Cole in the DA's office, they'd have to work together professionally. And I can imagine good Andy and Phoebe conversations.

Oh man. I need to write this down for maybe one day fic.

I love the idea of Cole and Andy having to work together from time to time, and Andy just not trusting or liking him. I could see Phoebe dismissing Andy's concerns as those of an overprotective older brother before she realizes his instincts were right. 

It would also be interesting if Andy and Prue both had their suspicions of Cole instead of just Prue by herself. 

[Keeper Of Melinda's Locket]

I voted No.

Andy had so much potential not just because he was Prue's love interest (who I do ship though LOL), but because he was Halliwell's childhood friend and an older brother figure. As much as I like Darryl, he didn't make much impact in the series, he had no connections the way Andy did, and his role didn't account for anything longterm unless it related to crime cases that were connected to demons. At least in S1, Andy and Darry's duo could have their own stories together on cases.

[lunchking]

Dec 8, 2023 16:42:08 GMT -5 Keeper Of Melinda's Locket said:

I voted No.

Andy had so much potential not just because he was Prue's love interest (who I do ship though LOL), but because he was Halliwell's childhood friend and an older brother figure. As much as I like Darryl, he didn't make much impact in the series, he had no connections the way Andy did, and his role didn't account for anything longterm unless it related to crime cases that were connected to demons. At least in S1, Andy and Darry's duo could have their own stories together on cases.

Darryl was useless. He didn't really do much. His character was so underused and served as just an info dump guy giving them the police information they needed. He deserved better.

Yeah I feel Andy added more to the story with purpose than Darryl because he had ties to the Halliwells as a childhood friend and knew all three. 

[Elle Em]

I'd like if Andy had lived and he and Darryl were more involved in the show, but had their own stories that ran parallel to the sisters'. I'd like to see them at more crime scenes, at the office, the cases they investigate bringing them closer to discovering that magic is real. Maybe the first season is about them getting closer to magic, then in season 2 they find out and are getting used to the idea, and for the rest of the show they become more and more involved with the sisters, while the sisters become more involved with some of their cases.

Cole could also help them with their cases after he becomes human, and maybe he'd be so happy doing that there'd be no Source drama with him. And if more of the stories were taken up by Andy, Darryl, and later Cole and involved human and non-human crimes, there'd be less focus on the sisters' love lives, which is something I'd personally like to see less of. They could still have their personal lives shown, but magic and family would be the focus, supported by the guys and their work in the world of solving crimes. 

[Assassin Witch]

I think with Andy and Darryl, it could have led Phoebe more into the crime space vs the columnist stuff. That could connect things.


Also, yes. Andy's role with Piper and Phoebe would have led to great sibling-like bonding moments. Don't get me wrong, Phoebe and Leo, especially surrounding Cole, had some great moments, but Andy being in their lives from such a young age would have helped.

Also, yes, I would hope and love that with more steady male characters and more plot and helping innocents, there would be less love drama focus.

[zachary]

I voted yes, but not in season 1. Here's why..

Andy shouldn't have been killed in season 1. He was listed as a recurring character, but he quickly became an integral part of the show's story and connection to the sisters, Prue especially; He held down the roots to reality while in a fantasy show. He was human, and he was vulnerable-- which created stakes, as we saw in "The Wendigo", "Is There a Woogy in the House?", "Out of Sight", "The Power of Two",  &  "Deja Vu All Over Again".

Killing off his character just  3 episodes (essentially 3 weeks worth of in-universe time) after he discovers they're witches was an ill-advised mistake. Despite playing well with the "secret identity" trope, season 1 went too long without him knowing their secret, thus destroying a stable foundation set up for a long-term friendship, human/police aid, and an outside source that the MCs can lean on- as we never get this again. (Darryl had the potential, but the writing of his character lacked focus unless necessary for immediate plot devices, up until season 6/7 when he becomes a more crucial character.)

The reason why I say he still should've died later on, more specifically the season 2/3 finale, is because in the short time that he learned the sisters' secret, the show squeezed in all the phases of his attitude towards Prue and magic; from anger and betrayal, to surrendering their relationship for a normal life, and readmitting his love for her. They gave 18 episodes of a pre-discover-of-magic storyline, and 3 episodes of Andy's post-discovery-of-magic storyline; we never saw what could've been had he come to learn to accept magic as apart of his life, especially if he truly loves her, that's what he'd do. 

If we'd gotten at least half a season or a full season of this idea, it would've helped solidify the show's position and grapple onto a similar if not better balance that season 1 had. This could've also furthered his friendship with Darryl, and bring Darryl as a more vital character since he'd be the only one that had no magic directly affecting his life, thus still leaving that tie to reality (Assuming that we'd start seeing Andy having family emergencies and continuing to see how magic negatively affected his job the way it did in season 1, but seeing how he'd deal with it now knowing its magically related, and he and the sisters could work together to solve the magical problem and still bring justice in the real world-- No more unsolved cases, and Andy gets his promotion.), and we'd be given the opportunity to bring in more main human characters as permanent recurring friends to help here and there, but seen more often than not.

Then, once we'd had some character developments with the sisters and such, kill Andy off and raise the stakes: If the sisters can't die, the people around them will. (keep in mind, Prue was a lucky fluke in the writer's world, as her death did break the "if the sisters can't die" clause but ONLY that one time.. any other time they "died" we knew they'd come back.) Then, and only then would it make sense to never see any of their so-called "friends" that we see pop-up here and there. Season 1 worked better with this, because the audience hadn't even known the sisters for long. But as the years go by, there's no reason we should be introduced to random "friends" that are never seen again.

After killing Andy off, it would've served a better purpose and create higher stakes for any future character that's not a sister, since we know that if they'd kill a crucial character like Andy after 2/3 years of development and solidarity, whats to stop them from killing off Leo, Darryl or Dan, or even Jenny? Especially since he was their childhood friend, that would've led to (Assuming Prue still dies at the end of season 3) better stakes with Glen, since he was Paige's childhood friend.

(I believe I've compiled all my thoughts, but if I get more, I'll add onto this!)

[Red Queen]

Not so soon, no. He had a long history w/ Prue & her sisters. He knew & kept their secret, & he was good for Prue. His death, as it happened, was needless. I could see him having made at least until Cole. posing as the ADA,  came along, & then laying his life down trying to protect Prue & her sisters from Cole when he learned the truth who Cole was. 

[Keeper Of Melinda's Locket]

Dec 9, 2023 2:55:01 GMT -5 lunchking said:

Dec 8, 2023 16:42:08 GMT -5 Keeper Of Melinda's Locket said:

I voted No.

Andy had so much potential not just because he was Prue's love interest (who I do ship though LOL), but because he was Halliwell's childhood friend and an older brother figure. As much as I like Darryl, he didn't make much impact in the series, he had no connections the way Andy did, and his role didn't account for anything longterm unless it related to crime cases that were connected to demons. At least in S1, Andy and Darry's duo could have their own stories together on cases.

Darryl was useless. He didn't really do much. His character was so underused and served as just an info dump guy giving them the police information they needed. He deserved better.

Yeah I feel Andy added more to the story with purpose than Darryl because he had ties to the Halliwells as a childhood friend and knew all three. 

Yeah, Darryl was very underused. Half the time, I never felt like the Halliwell sisters respected him enough.

[Silas]

Having seen S1 in full and knowing he dies at the end of S1. I'm sad that my first S2 watch will be without him.

I do think he should've been integrated in more and told the secret earlier.