The Series Finale: Disappointments

[prettyinpink94]

I've always had a problem with the sister's last gasp of happiness being derived from settling down with a husband and a pack of kids. It feels so regressive a mode of thinking, as if the show is perpetuating the notion that a woman can only be emotionally fulfilled after meeting the perfect guy and shooting out a ton of babies. Paige, in particular, comes off a little jarring in the final montage sequence, since I never imagined her even having children, especially ones that look so corny (the twin girls in pink, Henry Jr. -- gag). All I ever wanted her to do was settle down in a career that she had an actual investment in, instead of remaining this self-destructive and schizophrenic mess with absolutely zero direction in her life. I certainly don't recognize the person she became.

[Aaeiyn]

I would've loved to have seen a Prue cameo, whitelighter Brody, Andy finally becoming a whitelighter, Cole, etc.

EDIT: Ofc, the biggest disappointment was how selfish and self absorbent the sisters were in S8.  Thank goodness, for me, Billie was around to make it all better.  IK not many like Bilie, but I genuinely like her character.

[Julian]

I hate the idea of Phoebe marrying Coop but I'd trade the flashforwards for a time jump to Phoebe's wedding with Prue coming back for her wedding like Patty did to Piper's. With the sisters hugging her in Phoebe's bedroom before the wedding.

I'd be fine with a six month-one year jump showing them and their lives one year on than showing us everything that happened in their futures.

[jennygordon]

When I saw the finale for the very first time, I was so happy and cried with happiness... And a few days ago, rewatching it, I became soooo angry.
The whole time-travel thing was so stupid. Uncle Coop - pfff, and Wyatt waited for a few minutes to exclaim this, of course.
Patty and Victor were busy with something when Piper&Leo materialized - I honestly thought that they will erase Phoebe from existence
I love this show, it's a comfort one for me, but the whole finale thing was like one huge spit into my soul of a true fan.

[Sandra]

Jun 3, 2022 7:51:28 GMT -5 jennygordon said:

When I saw the finale for the very first time, I was so happy and cried with happiness... And a few days ago, rewatching it, I became soooo angry.
The whole time-travel thing was so stupid. Uncle Coop - pfff, and Wyatt waited for a few minutes to exclaim this, of course.
Patty and Victor were busy with something when Piper&Leo materialized - I honestly thought that they will erase Phoebe from existence
I love this show, it's a comfort one for me, but the whole finale thing was like one huge spit into my soul of a true fan.

I feel the same way Jennygordon.

It was just so predictable. That is not how I'd end the series. I rolled my eyes that they used time travel as a way to fix things. Coop's ring used to allow Piper to save Phoebe and Paige. Give me a break. It was way too crowded with extra characters. The Billie and Christy story I disliked. But, It was such an afterthought. All that build-up, and it ended on a predictable note.

I was much more impressed with Something Wicca This Way Goes. At least that episode, kept me on the edge of my seat. The plot was more compelling. Yes the ending was a horrible mess when they faked their deaths. But everything before that was great television. Forever Bored (that what I call it now) left me yawning by how predictable and not well written the story was.

Am I a bad fan for not sheading a single tear in Forever Charmed. I love this show heaps, but it ended poorly.

[Assassin Witch]

I cried during the first time I watched. But the tears were because I grew with the show. It got me through a lot of real life sh!t.


But it was such a fantasy ending. All the time travel for the family guest stars. And the perfectly happy flashforward. Meh.


Maybe I cried because it was finally over. >_<

[BriannaWarren2.0]

The first complaint I have is that Christy and Billie were the final big bad that they had to face, I mean, I get it, sisters vs sisters but this seems like something that should have been done sooner in the series, something they already did with the Stillman Sisters. 

Onto the series finale, the main three things I have an issue with: 

• The finale would have been the perfect time to bring back Prue, she could have been the one saying the spell to remove the Hollow from the fight, then using her telekinesis to remove Jenkins sisters from the house, reclaiming the house back to rightful owners. 
• The finale would have also been a perfect time to bring forward the Warren Line to fight the Ultimate Power, Dumain and the Triad. 
• The finale was rushed in my opinion, it shouldn't have been that quick, or that sloppy. 

[Esmeralda]

Here are my grumbles with 'Forever Crap, I mean Forever Piper, I mean Forever Charmed':

1) How both Piper and Billie survived that explosion at the end of "Kill Billie, Vol 2" without a broken bone

2) Why the Hollow didn’t go out of Piper and Billie until a being of good and a being of evil said the spell on the Hollow’s box

3) How Piper and Dumain, both non-cupids, were able to use a cupid’s ring, which is used to amplify and direct a cupid's power

3) Why we only saw Piper and Leo as old and not Phoebe, Coop, Paige or Henry

4) Why Old Piper and Old Leo in the future knew what Piper and Leo were going to do, but Wyatt and Chris had no idea and neither did S6 Chris

5) Why Patty’s idea of three generations of Halliwells tapping into the Power of Three worked, when only three sisters descended from Melinda Warren are supposed to be able to tap into the Power of Three

6) Why Grams didn’t recognize Piper from "That 70’s Episode"

7) Why Wyatt even had his powers in the future, if he’d lost them to the Jenkinses as a toddler

8) Why Henry wasn’t part of the final all-generation hug

9) How the Charmed Ones were able to write down what would happen in the future when they hadn’t lived it yet

10) How Leo, an ex-whitelighter mortal, could possibly handle magical children while trying to teach them

I answered all of these in my own version of the finale: Charmed Forever

[goldeneye049]

Seeing the little Prue would have been less frustrating. The appearance of Wyatt and Chris is an aberration. Now, I wish Shannen were here. That in the first time travel, Piper comes face to face with the nearly dead Prue. Her grief over the loss of a sister would have brought her here. They would have healed her, cast a spell to create a dead clone, and gone to live in the future. Thus the past would not have been changed and the false death of Prue would have allowed to meet Paige. Prue, Piper, and Patty (with Phoebe's powers) would imprison the Hollow.

[Elle Em]

For me, there were too many people. The show started out so intimate, with three main characters only. Of course it has to grow over the years, and that's fine, but I wish all the other characters had been left on the side and it had just focused on the three sisters at the end. Maybe they could have mirrored the premiere in some way, having all three sisters alone in the Manor during a storm, and having the last story happen from there. It wouldn't be exciting enough for a lot of people, but it would be a nice nod to where it all began. 

[Esmeralda]

Jun 4, 2022 7:05:32 GMT -5 Elle Em said:

For me, there were too many people. The show started out so intimate, with three main characters only. Of course it has to grow over the years, and that's fine, but I wish all the other characters had been left on the side and it had just focused on the three sisters at the end. Maybe they could have mirrored the premiere in some way, having all three sisters alone in the Manor during a storm, and having the last story happen from there. It wouldn't be exciting enough for a lot of people, but it would be a nice nod to where it all began. 

I don't think I would've liked that any more than I liked the actual finale. BUT I would've loved if instead of Piper and Leo going up the stairs (part of why I call it 'Forever Crap, I mean 'Forever Piper', I mean 'Forever Charmed') if it had been the three sister going up the stairs and the pictures on the wall included the famous shot that Phoebe took during 'That 70s Episode' - Patty with Young Prue and Little Piper - knowing that Shannen wouldn't appear, that would've been more than enough for me. This would especially be true if during the episode there was NO trips to the future and we never saw ANY of the Charmed Ones as old. That would have left the door open for a TV movie.

That's what I hated the most, that it slammed the door shut on that, since there would be no drama knowing Piper and Leo and Wyatt and Chris would survive no matter what happens - unless they showed that that flash-forward was nothing but Piper's dream. Actually I'd prefer if Season 8 was Piper's dream...and 'Something Wicca This Way Goes' was the true ending - ESPECIALY if ended the way it originally was supposed to according to spoilers we saw back then:

Phoebe says, "HERE WE GO!"

KA-BOOM!

The end!

This would let each fan decide what she thinks happens next! Oh, the fanfics we could've read!

Me? I'd want Paige to panic-orb out, leaving her and Henry and Leo and Victor to raise the boys, making sure Wyatt never goes evil since there would be no Piper around, teaching him by her example how to use magic for his own personal gain. This would set up a much-different-than-the-original spin-off, male-centric rather than female-centric.

Of course, Rose would've never agreed.

But I can dream...

[Esmeralda]

Jun 3, 2022 12:47:08 GMT -5 BriannaWarren2.0 said:

The first complaint I have is that Christy and Billie were the final big bad that they had to face, I mean, I get it, sisters vs sisters but this seems like something that should have been done sooner in the series, something they already did with the Stillman Sisters. 

Onto the series finale, the main three things I have an issue with: 

• The finale would have been the perfect time to bring back Prue, she could have been the one saying the spell to remove the Hollow from the fight, then using her telekinesis to remove Jenkins sisters from the house, reclaiming the house back to rightful owners. 
• The finale would have also been a perfect time to bring forward the Warren Line to fight the Ultimate Power, Dumain and the Triad. 
• The finale was rushed in my opinion, it shouldn't have been that quick, or that sloppy. 

We knew before the show ran that Shannen wouldn't be part of it (and she, Kern and Spelling all had different reasons), so I knew she wouldn't be part of it and it didn't bother me at all that she wasn't. If fans could get past that - remembering that fanfics do a better job including Prue (Shannen gave that as her reason - she didn't like how they would've included Prue - after all, Kern wrote it and it was obvious from all of the episodes that he wrote that he didn't like Prue, even if she was always supposed to be the star or there would've been no Charmed) - then they can come up with better ideas for how the finale should've gone - without Prue, but given her a better tip of the cap than Kern did in either 'Something Wicca That Way Goes' or 'Forever Crap'.

[Emmett]

Jun 4, 2022 11:41:41 GMT -5 Esmeralda said:

Jun 3, 2022 12:47:08 GMT -5 BriannaWarren2.0 said:

The first complaint I have is that Christy and Billie were the final big bad that they had to face, I mean, I get it, sisters vs sisters but this seems like something that should have been done sooner in the series, something they already did with the Stillman Sisters. 

Onto the series finale, the main three things I have an issue with: 

• The finale would have been the perfect time to bring back Prue, she could have been the one saying the spell to remove the Hollow from the fight, then using her telekinesis to remove Jenkins sisters from the house, reclaiming the house back to rightful owners. 
• The finale would have also been a perfect time to bring forward the Warren Line to fight the Ultimate Power, Dumain and the Triad. 
• The finale was rushed in my opinion, it shouldn't have been that quick, or that sloppy. 

We knew before the show ran that Shannen wouldn't be part of it (and she, Kern and Spelling all had different reasons), so I knew she wouldn't be part of it and it didn't bother me at all that she wasn't. If fans could get past that - remembering that fanfics do a better job including Prue (Shannen gave that as her reason - she didn't like how they would've included Prue - after all, Kern wrote it and it was obvious from all of the episodes that he wrote that he didn't like Prue, even if she was always supposed to be the star or there would've been no Charmed) - then they can come up with better ideas for how the finale should've gone - without Prue, but given her a better tip of the cap than Kern did in either 'Something Wicca That Way Goes' or 'Forever Crap'.

The fanfics have been a blessing. I don't think anything Kern would have done would have been better than the amazing fanfics that allow me to get the closure I need. 

[BriannaWarren2.0]

Jun 4, 2022 11:41:41 GMT -5 Esmeralda said:

Jun 3, 2022 12:47:08 GMT -5 BriannaWarren2.0 said:

The first complaint I have is that Christy and Billie were the final big bad that they had to face, I mean, I get it, sisters vs sisters but this seems like something that should have been done sooner in the series, something they already did with the Stillman Sisters. 

Onto the series finale, the main three things I have an issue with: 

• The finale would have been the perfect time to bring back Prue, she could have been the one saying the spell to remove the Hollow from the fight, then using her telekinesis to remove Jenkins sisters from the house, reclaiming the house back to rightful owners. 
• The finale would have also been a perfect time to bring forward the Warren Line to fight the Ultimate Power, Dumain and the Triad. 
• The finale was rushed in my opinion, it shouldn't have been that quick, or that sloppy. 

We knew before the show ran that Shannen wouldn't be part of it (and she, Kern and Spelling all had different reasons), so I knew she wouldn't be part of it and it didn't bother me at all that she wasn't. If fans could get past that - remembering that fanfics do a better job including Prue (Shannen gave that as her reason - she didn't like how they would've included Prue - after all, Kern wrote it and it was obvious from all of the episodes that he wrote that he didn't like Prue, even if she was always supposed to be the star or there would've been no Charmed) - then they can come up with better ideas for how the finale should've gone - without Prue, but given her a better tip of the cap than Kern did in either 'Something Wicca That Way Goes' or 'Forever Crap'.

I agree, the fanfictions have been amazing, I don't believe that Brad Kern or any of the writers/showrunners could have brought Prue back in a great way. 

Either way, I just wished that the Finale of the show was better written and had some remembrance for Prue. 

[CharmedFaith]

Jun 3, 2022 20:20:12 GMT -5 Esmeralda said:

6) Why Grams didn’t recognize Piper from "That 70’s Episode"

10) How Leo, an ex-whitelighter mortal, could possibly handle magical children while trying to teach them

6. its pretty clear that Grams wiped her and Pattys memories of That 70s Episode. We cant expect her to remember Piper in Forever Charmed but still have no intention of giving them their powers back before she dies.

10. Why wouldnt a mortal be able to teach magical children? He isn't fighting them.

[aggiefan12]

I think we could've done the finale without the flashforward thing.

[aggiefan12]

Jun 3, 2022 20:20:12 GMT -5 Esmeralda said:

Here are my grumbles with 'Forever Crap, I mean Forever Piper, I mean Forever Charmed':

1) How both Piper and Billie survived that explosion at the end of "Kill Billie, Vol 2" without a broken bone

2) Why the Hollow didn’t go out of Piper and Billie until a being of good and a being of evil said the spell on the Hollow’s box

3) How Piper and Dumain, both non-cupids, were able to use a cupid’s ring, which is used to amplify and direct a cupid's power

3) Why we only saw Piper and Leo as old and not Phoebe, Coop, Paige or Henry

4) Why Old Piper and Old Leo in the future knew what Piper and Leo were going to do, but Wyatt and Chris had no idea and neither did S6 Chris

5) Why Patty’s idea of three generations of Halliwells tapping into the Power of Three worked, when only three sisters descended from Melinda Warren are supposed to be able to tap into the Power of Three

6) Why Grams didn’t recognize Piper from "That 70’s Episode"

7) Why Wyatt even had his powers in the future, if he’d lost them to the Jenkinses as a toddler

8) Why Henry wasn’t part of the final all-generation hug

9) How the Charmed Ones were able to write down what would happen in the future when they hadn’t lived it yet

10) How Leo, an ex-whitelighter mortal, could possibly handle magical children while trying to teach them

I answered all of these in my own version of the finale: Charmed Forever

11) Why didn't Wyatt not recognize who Coop was until Coop put his ring back on and then blurts out Uncle Coop like he was surprised to see him there

[Esmeralda]

Sept 7, 2023 21:06:48 GMT -5 aggiefan12 said:

Jun 3, 2022 20:20:12 GMT -5 Esmeralda said:

Here are my grumbles with 'Forever Crap, I mean Forever Piper, I mean Forever Charmed':

1) How both Piper and Billie survived that explosion at the end of "Kill Billie, Vol 2" without a broken bone

2) Why the Hollow didn’t go out of Piper and Billie until a being of good and a being of evil said the spell on the Hollow’s box

3) How Piper and Dumain, both non-cupids, were able to use a cupid’s ring, which is used to amplify and direct a cupid's power

3) Why we only saw Piper and Leo as old and not Phoebe, Coop, Paige or Henry

4) Why Old Piper and Old Leo in the future knew what Piper and Leo were going to do, but Wyatt and Chris had no idea and neither did S6 Chris

5) Why Patty’s idea of three generations of Halliwells tapping into the Power of Three worked, when only three sisters descended from Melinda Warren are supposed to be able to tap into the Power of Three

6) Why Grams didn’t recognize Piper from "That 70’s Episode"

7) Why Wyatt even had his powers in the future, if he’d lost them to the Jenkinses as a toddler

8) Why Henry wasn’t part of the final all-generation hug

9) How the Charmed Ones were able to write down what would happen in the future when they hadn’t lived it yet

10) How Leo, an ex-whitelighter mortal, could possibly handle magical children while trying to teach them

I answered all of these in my own version of the finale: Charmed Forever

11) Why didn't Wyatt not recognize who Coop was until Coop put his ring back on and then blurts out Uncle Coop like he was surprised to see him there

Good one!

[BriannaWarren2.0]

I have always been annoyed, more like pissed off, that they vanquished the Source of all Evil so quickly in the series, I believe that would have been a better two parter than the whole sisters vs sisters thing that we already got with the Stillman Sisters. I would have enjoyed if they finally got to vanquishing the Source after all the things they went through, would have been way more satisfactory than what we were given; The Underworld vs The Charmed Ones.

It would have provided the perfect opportunity for Prue to be there, finally creating the Power of Four, then to bring forward the Warren ancestral line, with Piper at the helm leading the charge into Hell; we could have seen the ancestors creating potions and spells, Leo helping them train their powers, them researching demons preparing for war, Phoebe training her ancestors with the demonic weaponry they had collected over the years. I would have also wanted the Evil Enchantress to be there, with her being the beginning to the Warren Line and that's why they are attracted to Evil. 

[Aaeiyn]

Oct 12, 2023 19:17:53 GMT -5 BriannaWarren2.0 said:

I have always been annoyed, more like pissed off, that they vanquished the Source of all Evil so quickly in the series, I believe that would have been a better two parter than the whole sisters vs sisters thing that we already got with the Stillman Sisters. I would have enjoyed if they finally got to vanquishing the Source after all the things they went through, would have been way more satisfactory than what we were given; The Underworld vs The Charmed Ones.

It would have provided the perfect opportunity for Prue to be there, finally creating the Power of Four, then to bring forward the Warren ancestral line, with Piper at the helm leading the charge into Hell; we could have seen the ancestors creating potions and spells, Leo helping them train their powers, them researching demons preparing for war, Phoebe training her ancestors with the demonic weaponry they had collected over the years. I would have also wanted the Evil Enchantress to be there, with her being the beginning to the Warren Line and that's why they are attracted to Evil. 

What's different about the Jenkins vs the Halliwells than Stillman vs Halliwell is that the Jenkins were actually friends with the Halliwells, whereas the Stillman sisters were not.

If anything ripped off the Stillmans vs the Halliwells it was S8E13 "Repo Manor". As much as I wanted Prue to be there (even though, I'm not her biggest fan) the issue with it is 1) not being able to pay her and 2) while she wasn't asked for a S8 return, she was asked for a S7 return, and Shannen said "no". Not much the show can do, when the main actress who plays Prue says "no" (and would most likely say "no", again). Your only options are to have a "child" Prue or a mention, like Patty did.

I highly doubt fans would accept a different actor replacing Shannen's stand in for "Prue".