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Post by rebeccamatthews on Jun 6, 2006 13:02:34 GMT -5
Something that really bothered me is that Henry was not with the sisters, Grams, the Boys, Patty, Leo, Victor and Coop at the end. That was the family shot at the end. I assume Patty would have loved to have seen her son-in-law - Henry. The boys, grown-up of course, might have wanted to see their uncle, Henry. It's just ashamed that he wasn't there.
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Post by xX Jen Xx on Jun 6, 2006 13:22:08 GMT -5
Something that really bothered me is that Henry was not with the sisters, Grams, the Boys, Patty, Leo, Victor and Coop at the end. That was the family shot at the end. I assume Patty would have loved to have seen her son-in-law - Henry. The boys, grown-up of course, might have wanted to see their uncle, Henry. It's just ashamed that he wasn't there. ^^ Exactly. Coop was there and the family's known him...what...5 minutes..and Henry is Paige's husband and he wasn't there! I would have liked to see Wyatt and Chris with Henry, as well. |
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Post by vandergraafk on Jun 6, 2006 18:15:43 GMT -5
Regarding Henry - no pun intended. Yes, most of you are quite correct that Henry should have been in the reunion at the end. This could have been facilitated in a 2 hour finale by having arrive at the manor after a few minutes of reunion among everyone else. Let's not forget: Paige is with baby Chris (I believe) and Patty during the reunion. Although Paige has encountered Patty several times (Charmed Again Part II and during the wiccaning of baby Chris, and I think there was an instance in Season 7, too, when Patty showed up again.), Patty has never met her daughter, Paige. Nor has she met Phoebe, but she will meet Phoebe in That 70s Episode. Paige and Patty need some time together.
Second, I hope you agree that the brief (much too brief) encounter between Paige and Henry when Paige rips off that fantastic line: "We were not okay, but now we're okay, okay. And, it looks like we're going to be more than okay. Okay?" (Not verbatim, but close enough) And Henry's curt reply "Okay!". Doesn't that just about say it all between Paige and Henry? Paige loves to ramble and, even though her dialogue borders on rambling, she does explain everything in a nutshell. And, Henry gets it! What more could you ask for? That one minute, for me, is classic Paige/Henry. I really didn't need any more.
Finally, you are quite correct. Grams has at least seen and heard Henry. Patty has not. Somehow she should have gotten the opportunity to meet him. Hey, here's a thought: why not have Sam orb Henry to the manor?
Does anybody care that Sam was not there? Sam and Victor may not be the best of pals, but when Paige died, wouldn't Sam have sensed that something was amiss. I mean wasn't that part of the point of Last Picture Show? I like Sam as a character and he could have made an appearance too. As I said, a 2 hour finale could more easily have worked these characters in.
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Post by vandergraafk on Jun 6, 2006 18:28:27 GMT -5
For those of you who missed Cole and Darryl. Let me suggest that I was not bothered by this. Cole's farewell was in Seven Year Witch. And, that episode has to rate up there as one of the best ever. Darryl had the last word in Something Wicca This Way Goes. That was closure for him. To bring him back might have been way over the top, especially during a 43 minute finale. A 2 hour finale with Homeland Security taking part might have provided an opening for a reappearance of Darryl. But, I am satisfied with how Darryl exited. Yes, he was there for 7 seasons, but not in every episode. (And, sometimes he was absent for quite a few in a row.) A finale does have to make some sort of sense, does it not?
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Post by Lisa M on Jun 6, 2006 21:46:05 GMT -5
4) the teasing lunch scene We are shown Wyatt, Chris and younger girl receiving lunch on their way to school. Since a sleepover of Phoebe's eldest daughter probably can be ruled out (sleepover with the boys?) this is probably Prudence Melinda, Piper's daughter. So why not show Prudence Melinda with Phoebe in the kitchen while she is describing her return to the restaurant business? I understand why the boys would prefer to make their potions alone. Maybe Phoebe's daughter goes to the same school as Wyatt and Chris so Phoebe dropped her off to leave for school with them? In her voiceover, Piper mentioned Paige teaching "Phoebe's kids and hers" when they showed that scene. The fact that there was no girl that appeared in the picture with Wyatt and Chris indicates that she either wasn't their sister or died before she reached adulthood, because it's very odd that a picture would only include two of her kids if she had three. |
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Post by vandergraafk on Jun 7, 2006 17:30:40 GMT -5
Sorry for the gaffe regarding Phoebe in the kitchen. Obviously, I meant Piper in the kitchen. But, no, the boys by themselves is quite understandable. As the lone male with two sisters, I certainly did not wish to do things with them. The fact that the girl, if indeed it is Piper's daughter, was not in the kitchen is precisely the reason why I find this one of the major disappointments in the final episode. We are given a tease with little information to go on. This is why many of us have filled the Episode 22 discussion with a back and forth debate, and why we have this debate here too. It would be a lot nicer to know exactly who that girl was!
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Post by barmyoncharmed on Jun 9, 2006 7:42:33 GMT -5
We are made to assume it is Piper and Leo's little girl the one that was meant to come instead of Wyatt.
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Post by spiritsas on Jun 9, 2006 19:21:37 GMT -5
violetprue: If that's truly the way it happened, it explains a lot about why there was no love lost between Kern, the WB and SD. Why it happened is still unsure and something none of the cast ever talks about when asked. As for Prue being on the show in the form of a picture, obviously the bad blood kept even that conversation from happening. Prue has been recalled by name in many an episode. I was watching the episode in which they vanquish the Source, the first time, and Cole becomes a the new Source, and Prue's name was said at least three times. It would have been nice to have the original pic, or have Daryl make a surprise visit, but it over and that's that.
As for the staircase growing back: yes, that was a mistake in the filming unless you want to explain it away by saying they used magic, which they have done before, to fix it off camera. That's a stretch, I know, but if one needs an explanation, that could be it.
As far as Grams knowing about her grand daughters being TCOs, she certainly knows they are born to be powerful witches, but it may not be certain she knew they would actually be TCOs. I would have to watch the old episodes to see what she seems to know and not know. Even if she did find out in another episode, the writers may have decided to ignore this little tidbit so they could have the reason for her reaction to help Piper and Leo as they time travel.
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Post by violetprue on Jun 12, 2006 3:11:37 GMT -5
About Grams: she finds out they are Charmed in "That 70's Episode" so she would have known by the time we see Leo and Piper and Patty go to her in the finale. The scene with Piper and Grams (young Piper) clearly took place after "that 70's Episode". Unless Grams did a "forgetting spell", she should have known.  And I still think that if Kern had asked (or Holly maybe) for permission to use Shannens pic as Prue in the finale, she would have said yes. She knows she still has a huge fan base in the Charmed community, and I can't see why she would say no. It wouldn't take effort on her behalf, she wouldn't have to deal with anyone face to face, it would take a phone call to her lawyer. She wouldn't even have to talk to Kern directly if she really didn't want to. Just a hunch though. I know we can't change it anymore, and even though she was mentioned (only normal, she was their sister) it wasn't enough for me. In season 4 she was mentioned often, which is normal, since she had just died. But after that, it got too quiet. Piper should have mentioned her around the time of the birth or something, "normal" people would. So I was a bit disappointed with that in the finale. But there's nothing we can do about it. |
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Post by ArchAngel on Jun 19, 2006 7:21:57 GMT -5
Sorry for the gaffe regarding Phoebe in the kitchen. Obviously, I meant Piper in the kitchen. But, no, the boys by themselves is quite understandable. As the lone male with two sisters, I certainly did not wish to do things with them. The fact that the girl, if indeed it is Piper's daughter, was not in the kitchen is precisely the reason why I find this one of the major disappointments in the final episode. We are given a tease with little information to go on. This is why many of us have filled the Episode 22 discussion with a back and forth debate, and why we have this debate here too. It would be a lot nicer to know exactly who that girl was! Considering that all three girls had their "Family Scene" with Phoebe with Coop running off to have a 3rd girl with their 2 girls (and Billie)seeing them off, Paige and the twins and henry Jr was visiting Henry at work, then the Last scene would be Piper and Leo seeing thier 3 kids off to School (Wyatt,Chris, and thier daughter) really don't see the "debate" considering it was a fantasy ending and it wouldn't have been fair to give Phoebe her life and kids and love she didn't really deserve or earn and leave Piper without her fricken girl and with only 2 stinkin' children while her sisters has 3 each  (last sentence in imitation of Piper ranting) An yeah, My family is 4 boys and 1 girl and my sister rarely did anything with her brothers Also, cause the "legacy" is broken another reason Why Melinda, (or whatever her name) wouldn't be batling demons with her brothers are 1) She was born without powers 2) She tends after her mother and wants to play "normal" 3) She moved out to a different place then them. (Where was that place they were mixing the potions anyway) And the Reasons why she wasn't in the Photos could be 1) She was the one that set up the wall and didn't think an picture with her was nice enough (self consious) 2) She is the photograper (lfollowing her aunt Prue's passion) so took those photos 3) In step with #1 she would run and hide from camera 4) She is there, One of her powers is she doesn't show up on film ;D |
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Post by Lisa M on Jun 19, 2006 8:33:26 GMT -5
Why would not having a third child "not be fair" to Piper? Since when is having a boatload of children a requirement for fulfillment? Maybe Piper didn't want anymore kids--she almost died giving birth to her second child, which would keep a lot of women from having more children, and she had a difficult time making time for the two she had. There were other things she wanted to do, like open a restaurant. I think it would make perfect sense for Piper to not want another child and be content and happy with having her husband and two sons. If that was supposed to be her child, she obviously didn't care enough to even mention having another one, although she did mention opening her restaurant. If Piper and Leo chose not to have another child, it doesn't mean it was because they didn't love each other or didn't fool around, it just means that she made a decision not to have anymore children because she didn't want anymore. I have two kids and I know I don't want anymore. In fact, I'd be pretty upset if I did end up pregnant again. I'm happy with the two I have and I don't think having more kids will make me happier or my life better. In fact, just the opposite. I have my kids and there's other goals I have besides making babies. Having children isn't easy or fun. It's a lot of work and a lot of time. And many women only want one or two and have no desire to have another.
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Post by BloodMark on Jun 19, 2006 15:51:31 GMT -5
About Grams: she finds out they are Charmed in "That 70's Episode" so she would have known by the time we see Leo and Piper and Patty go to her in the finale. The scene with Piper and Grams (young Piper) clearly took place after "that 70's Episode". Unless Grams did a "forgetting spell", she should have known. Perhaps after the "That 70's Episode" visit, they had to erase it from her memory in the same way they said they were going to have to do after visiting her in "Forever Charmed." That would explain her not remembering/knowing about TCO in 1981. |
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Post by vandergraafk on Jun 22, 2006 14:38:27 GMT -5
They could not have erased her memory. Grams needed to remember to cast the binding spell after the birth of Phoebe. Please don't excuse the writers for a clear mistake!
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Post by ArchAngel on Jun 25, 2006 0:28:30 GMT -5
Why would not having a third child "not be fair" to Piper? Since when is having a boatload of children a requirement for fulfillment? Maybe Piper didn't want anymore kids--she almost died giving birth to her second child, which would keep a lot of women from having more children, and she had a difficult time making time for the two she had. There were other things she wanted to do, like open a restaurant. I think it would make perfect sense for Piper to not want another child and be content and happy with having her husband and two sons. If that was supposed to be her child, she obviously didn't care enough to even mention having another one, although she did mention opening her restaurant. If Piper and Leo chose not to have another child, it doesn't mean it was because they didn't love each other or didn't fool around, it just means that she made a decision not to have anymore children because she didn't want anymore. I have two kids and I know I don't want anymore. In fact, I'd be pretty upset if I did end up pregnant again. I'm happy with the two I have and I don't think having more kids will make me happier or my life better. In fact, just the opposite. I have my kids and there's other goals I have besides making babies. Having children isn't easy or fun. It's a lot of work and a lot of time. And many women only want one or two and have no desire to have another. That was sarcasm The girl was Leo's and Piper's because it was their " day in a life family scene", just a Phoebe had her "day in a life family scene", and Paige had her "day in a life family Scene" with the only difference being one of Phoebe's girls was still in her and about to be born during her family scene (A hail back to when Phoebe was still in Patty back in the 70's episode) Just because there are people that only want Piper to have had only Wyatt and Chris for some Spin off that will not never happen in a million years and having a Sister will somehow throw off the bond or the balance or whatever, or is just pure Sacreligious because of all the fanfic already and a sister will throw of years of wasted time, doesn't make it so. The girl was Piper's and Leo's Daughter and almost as funny is the whole "but she doesn't have pictures on the wall" . Ever consider that she put up those photos and had a self consious attack (not putting up this one cause I am making a funny face, not putting this one up cause the jacket makes me look fat,etc) Someone had to take those photos, so the infamous "Wyatt and Chris" picture could have been taken by their Camera shy Sister, yes? |
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Post by Lisa M on Jun 25, 2006 10:40:19 GMT -5
If Piper had a third child, it doesn't make sense that she didn't mention it but did mention her restaurant. We saw Phoebe picking up Wyatt, Chris and her daughter (which was the same actress in that scene with Piper and Leo sending the kids off to school) in one of her premonitions, so it would fit that Piper and Leo might send all three kids off to school if they go to the same school and Phoebe's other two kids aren't old enough yet.
It's taking an awful lot of fanwanking to prove that the girl is Piper and Leo's (which isn't proof at all, since it's fanwanking), while most of the evidence we saw onscreen seems to show that she isn't their daughter, but more likely a cousin.
It doesn't really matter anyway, because it won't be proven either way unless there is a spin-off, which, with the CW's fall line up, there's still a pretty good chance of happening since their line-up kind of sucks.
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Post by ShantaD on Jun 25, 2006 16:14:11 GMT -5
That is just your opinion, nothing more. It can't be proven and nothing you've said comes even close to proving it . You have no right to mock other's interpretations.
No. She'd at least be in the photos as a young girl.
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Post by roseyc on Jun 25, 2006 18:52:40 GMT -5
Well you can play any scenerio you want to make it like you want. Prue's picture wasn't on the wall did she exist? Of course she did, the wall was Kern's own personal epitome of Charmed.
So the sister could exist; but if the spin-off did occur she could or could not be in I don't think it would matter. The writers could write around her or write her in. If she we were in the series she could be one without powers because she chose to unlike Piper to have her powers binded and the family respected her wishes
and she could be the character which she interacts with regular humans. She wouldn't be the focus on the show and show intermeditately like Grams did.
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Post by Lisa M on Jun 25, 2006 19:44:33 GMT -5
It was pictures of Piper's immediate family on the wall. That's why the only picture of Phoebe and Paige on the wall was of Piper, Phoebe and Paige, but there were a lot of pictures of Piper's kids on the wall and there were only two of them.
Prue's picture wasn't on the wall for the same reason she hasn't been shown in any flashbacks--Kern didn't want to ask her.
Just like you insisted all throughout season 6 until the finale aired and Piper gave birth that Chris couldn't possibly be Piper and Leo's son and was lying, because he had to have already been born since his future fiance was already 5 and men NEVER date women that are older than them? Sorry, but your track record with "facts" isn't a good one.
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Post by Stormythomas on Jun 25, 2006 20:14:47 GMT -5
If Piper had a third child, it doesn't make sense that she didn't mention it but did mention her restaurant. We saw Phoebe picking up Wyatt, Chris and her daughter (which was the same actress in that scene with Piper and Leo sending the kids off to school) in one of her premonitions, so it would fit that Piper and Leo might send all three kids off to school if they go to the same school and Phoebe's other two kids aren't old enough yet. It's taking an awful lot of fanwanking to prove that the girl is Piper and Leo's (which isn't proof at all, since it's fanwanking), while most of the evidence we saw onscreen seems to show that she isn't their daughter, but more likely a cousin. I just have a question concerning the actress. If the same girl who was with Wyatt and Chris (in the future) was the same girl from Phoebe's premonition, then why not use her to play Phoebe's daughter in the scene where Phoebe is running out ready to give birth? I'm not sure that made any since  |
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Post by Lisa M on Jun 25, 2006 20:55:44 GMT -5
I thought the girls in Phoebe's scenes were supposed to be younger, whereas in the scene they were going to school, they were school age and a few years older.
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