Help name that charmed ep

[lee78221]

I am looking for the charmed ep name:
well some guy comes back(or whatever lol) from the future and kills 2 of the charmed ones Piper goes back in time and tells herself not let Phoebe keep on saving her boyfriend or she well kill her self in doing so.


please help name that ep.

[TrueVengeance]

I'm pretty sure its "A Witch in Time"

[spiritsas]

That is correct. I checked.

[spiritsas]

PS Season 5, episode 8

[lee78221]

that is name of it thanks everyone for your help.

[vandergraafk]

Baccara, a warlock, goes back in time to warn Cole that unless Cole prevents Phoebe from saving a latest beau (Miles) from dying (it is his time to die, and the Angel of Destiny will not be denied), Phoebe will die. Cole declines because doing so would further evaporate whatever remaining hope Cole harbored in order to win Phoebe back. As a result, Baccara decides to deal with Miles. In the course of doing so, he confronts all three Charmed Ones and survives. Better yet, he realizes that the Charmed Ones cannot defeat him. Thus, he sets out to vanquish the Charmed Ones by stealing the Book of Shadows and using the spell to steal a witch's powers to render the Charmed Ones defenseless.

Apart from the nonsense with respect to Paige losing her whitelighter powers, as well as her powers as a witch, this episode is truly one of the best that Charmed had to offer.

[whitelightertony]

Apart from the nonsense with respect to Paige losing her whitelighter powers, as well as her powers as a witch, this episode is truly one of the best that Charmed had to offer.

I guess I still don't understand your problem with that. The spell was recited to strip the Charmed Ones of all their powers - - not exclusively their witch powers.

[vandergraafk]

Except the spell that was used does not strip away non-witch powers. It's the how to disempower a witch spell. Ooops!

[whitelightertony]

It's the how to disempower a witch spell. Ooops!

Yes, the spell is "How to Disempower A Witch."

And Paige is a witch (technically, half-witch).

And the spell disempowered her.

Your point?

[Astral Echo]

This episode is truly one of the best that Charmed had to offer.

I agree, it compliments both Alyssa and Holly's acting so much and Rose's wasn't as bad either, probably my favourite episode of Season Five and in my opinion that was the worst season while that was one of the best episodes.

[vandergraafk]

My point is: it disempowers a witch's powers only. Paige would lose the ability to orb an object from place to place (perhaps). In fact, what powers would she lose since whitelighters can orb things from place to place. (Leo did this in Season 1 when he was outed by Phoebe. He orbs water from the carafe into the glass while awaiting Piper so he can reveal who he is to her. (Unfortunately, he doesn't get the chance!)

Paige's power to orb is not a witchy power. It is a whitelighter power and thus is not vulnerable to the power-stripping spell. She could have orbed to safety.

But, then, how can you expect Charmed writers to get this straight when in Centennial Charmed they have Paige aoparently without powers in the alternative universe. Again, not true. Paige is unaware that she still has the power to orb. What convinces her that she doesn't is her inability to orb the knife away from the bar occupier (tramp). She then attempts to induce a sneeze in order to orb. Not the best method since fear is the easiest way to induce an orb (see A Paige from the Past).

So, let's, for the sake of clarity and argument, assert that Paige's ability to orb objects from location to location stems from her Charmed Powers and in some, unknown way differs from Leo's ability. Since she couldn't orb an object in A Witch in Time, she erroneously concludes that she cannot orb at all. Not true!

Once again, Paige's improper deduction has no bearing on the outcome of the episode. It does make it more dramatic, if less logical. Still, a great episode.

[whitelightertony]

My point is: it disempowers a witch's powers only.

Where in the spell does it stipulate that only witchy powers will be stripped?

[vandergraafk]

Let's see: MAYBE IT'S STIPULATED IN THE TITLE: HOW TO DISEMPOWER A WITCH. If you want to disempower a whitelighter, I suppose that would require a different spell and maybe not require a human heart.

By the way, I'll let slide the implication from the episode where tuwatha first uses this spell that one heart per witch is required.

[whitelightertony]

Let's see: MAYBE IT'S STIPULATED IN THE TITLE: HOW TO DISEMPOWER A WITCH.

Sorry, but I don't see what the title has to do with the effect of the actual magic when the spell is applied. It's not like a being of evil prefaces the recitation of the spell by announcing the title before they say the words.

The title was assigned to the spell by whoever added it to the Book of Shadows as a way of identifying the spell's use; that ancestor titled it "How To Disempower A Witch" merely to let the reader know what its practical purpose would be. At that point in time, the concept of a half-witch/half-whitelighter hybrid, such as Paige, would have been inconceivable to whomever originally wrote/compiled the spell.

The only thing the spell itself says is that the spell will take away "all their powers"...not "just their witch powers."

Obviously, when Tuatha recited the spell in "That Ole Black Magic," the three Charmed Ones were full witches...so there was no hybrid creature as part of the equation.

"A Witch in Time" was the first time we saw the spell used on a magical half-breed (Paige)...so you can't base its effects on what happened when it was previously used only against non-hybrids.

If you want to disempower a whitelighter, I suppose that would require a different spell and maybe not require a human heart.

And if you used a "How To Disempower A Whitelighter" spell on Paige, there's no reason to believe it wouldn't similarly strip her of ALL her powers, assuming that's how the spell read. Whereas if you tried to use it on Piper or Phoebe, it would have no effect on them since they possess no whitelighter DNA. .

[bakinator321]

look if the spell was calleed to destroy a witch if the words were

within the passing of th e hpur take away ALL if their power

it would strip ALL power

[vandergraafk]

Well, this is one of those issues that cannot be resolved. However, the way spells are worded and the context they are found in matter. In Hell Hath No Fury, Paige altered a spell concerning a demon and undue attention into a spell that focused female attention on a dirtbag. Since I don't have the exact spell in front of me, I can't analyse the specifics. My point, however, is that if you want to change the focus of a spell while retaining its conceptual orientation, then you have to change some of the words. This was not done in the How to Disempower a Witch Spell.

It might seem as if this is but a minor matter. It is in terms of the episode A Witch In Time. Whether Paige is turned to dust or orbs away to safety is unimportant. Piper will still have to enter the temporal slipstream in order to undo Phoebe's death.

Now, it does matter a lot since it reveals the lack of attention to detail in Charmedverse. Paige is a whitelighter who cannot lose her whitelighter powers simply by the casting of a spell addressed to witches. If a whitelighter is to lose powers, then this must result from the actions of a darklighter or the Elders. Otherwise, whitelighters would have been put on the verge of extinction by rogue witches (like Tuatha) who might have decided to eliminate whitelighters.

Worse: it foreshadows even greater confusion in Centennial Charmed when, it is claimed, that Paige has lost her whitelighter powers in the alternative universe. No, she doesn't. She always had the ability to orb since that is a part of her genetic makeup. If you disallow that, then Charmed Again Part 1 and A Paige from the Past make no sense.

To review: in Centennial Charmed, Paige sneezes into Avatar Cole's alternative universe. Once there, she discovers that she cannot orb an object from one location to another (the knife that the homeless guy wields). This fact could mean that either Paige cannot orb objects from one place to another since that is a witchy power. Or, more persuasively, it means that whitelighters do not have full access to all of their abilities immediately. In other words, she can orb to safety in stasis, but not move objects or herself from one place to another. Leo could, but then he had been a whitelighter for 60 years. This also explain why Paige cannot heal innocents or her sisters after they've been attacked by demons. She only acquires this ability in Season 8.

Paige is generally not very good at interpreting facts as she sees them. Hence, when she observes that she can't in fact orb the knife away, she erroneously concludes that she cannot orb. Later, when she tries to orb, she sneezes and believes that's the ticket. It doesn't work. She again erroneously concludes that she cannot orb.

I prefer not to let the writers off the hook. It was a mistake to have Paige be turned to dust. It was a mistake to let her appear to have no powers in Centennial Charmed. And, it was a complete oversight to let her appear to die in Kill Billie, Volume 2 when a dazed and confused Paige could simply have orbed to safety. (The fact that the WB voiceover told us that Paige had died does not dispell the fact that there was no reason to suppose that Paige had died. No body was found and Paige could have orbed.)

[whitelightertony]

Paige is a whitelighter who cannot lose her whitelighter powers simply by the casting of a spell addressed to witches.

We can't know this for certain, because the Spell to Disempower A Witch had never been used against a magical hybrid before. So prior to "A Witch in Time," what evidence was there as to what effect the spell would or would not have on a creature like Paige?

If a whitelighter is to lose powers, then this must result from the actions of a darklighter or the Elders. Otherwise, whitelighters would have been put on the verge of extinction by rogue witches (like Tuatha) who might have decided to eliminate whitelighters.

Or, no evil creature has ever written/cast a dark spell against a whitelighter, which is why whitelighters have never been disempowered by a spell. Eventually, some evil being will probably create one sometime in the future, and the whitelighters will need to figure out a way to cloak themselves from it.

Worse: it foreshadows even greater confusion in Centennial Charmed when, it is claimed, that Paige has lost her whitelighter powers in the alternative universe. No, she doesn't. She always had the ability to orb since that is a part of her genetic makeup. If you disallow that, then Charmed Again Part 1 and A Paige from the Past make no sense.

So weren't the other Halliwells' sisters' magic a part of their genetic makeup? Yet, they've lost their identities (or at least, the active powers stemming from from those identities) due to magical disempowerment in the past.

To review: in Centennial Charmed, Paige sneezes into Avatar Cole's alternative universe. Once there, she discovers that she cannot orb an object from one location to another (the knife that the homeless guy wields). This fact could mean that either Paige cannot orb objects from one place to another since that is a witchy power. Or, more persuasively, it means that whitelighters do not have full access to all of their abilities immediately. In other words, she can orb to safety in stasis, but not move objects or herself from one place to another. Leo could, but then he had been a whitelighter for 60 years. This also explain why Paige cannot heal innocents or her sisters after they've been attacked by demons. She only acquires this ability in Season 8.

Paige is generally not very good at interpreting facts as she sees them. Hence, when she observes that she can't in fact orb the knife away, she erroneously concludes that she cannot orb. Later, when she tries to orb, she sneezes and believes that's the ticket. It doesn't work. She again erroneously concludes that she cannot orb.

I still don't see how you can be so certain that Paige could orb in Cole's alternate universe...why would the witch-half of her powers be dormant, yet the whitelighter-half of her powers be active? Both are an equal part of Paige's identity.