Different series ending

[Esmeralda]

whitelightertony said:

They also could have put Darryl and Sheila in the flashforward where they show a scene from Phoebe and Coop's wedding.

The whole wedding scene with the Angel of Destiny doing it and only immediate family around was pretty barfy, even barfier than Paige's, when she couldn't have Sam or Patty there. Thinking back, I think Phoebe would've wanted a nice big church wedding. But I suppose they didn't have the money for that either...

But I would've preferred it ending on something like that and leaving what happened in the future for a movie or a spinoff. I just hated them closing the door on the whole idea of Charmed like that.

[magik1]

I just read all the posts and it seems humanity is not dead after all, we do like resolution and a happy ending ;D

[UnderTheirSpell]

i dont know about you but i cry every time i see forever charmed when old piper and leo are walking up and seeing all the pictures on the wall and also when b4 that all the members are hugging eachother. I just love charmed. always did ever since it came out on tv never ever missed an episode. I have 2 charmed tattoos on me. love charmed. always will to death.

[whitelightertony]

The whole wedding scene with the Angel of Destiny doing it and only immediate family around was pretty barfy

There may have been additional guests; they were just off-screen and weren't shown in the frame.

[LeosSON]

I'm probably the only one but if Charmed would have ended at season 3 with THAT cliff hanger, I wouldn't be pissed. That was the best episode for the entire series. The ending would cause a lot of controversy and speculation as to who lived and who died. A wonderful way to keep fans and people talking about a show. I would have no problem with that if Charmed were to have ended similar. Charmed should have ended at season 4 but that's another story.

[foxfire]

;D ;D ;D I'm so ecstatic that I'm going to get to express my opinion on the series ending now that I've seen it!!

Personally, the ending to me wasn't that good. I found it to be extremely unrealistic in the terms of the characters. It was a good concept (Piper gathering Patty and Grams to help her) but it fell apart because Piper would have gone to Prue.

Am I the only person who would have preferred to have Prue guest star and help Piper out rather than bring back Patty and Grams? I know Shannen's expensive but why didn't Kern ever try to get Shannen to come back for the finale? He said that he did what he thought the fans would like. I'm sorry but I'm a fan and I would have liked to see Shannen back in the fold.

Yes, we love Grams, Patty and future Chris/Wyatt but they aren't Prue. The show started off with three sisters and we barely knew anything about the supporting characters.

Brad Kern put so many damn family members in this episode that it lost its true meaning. Yes, the show is about family... but why not be about the sisters?

I actually didn't need to see Phoebe's marriage or Paige's children. I didn't need to see old Leo and Piper walk up the stairs to a bunch of meaningless pictures.

A good ending would have been a mirror of the first episode. Except this time, it would be Piper/Paige/Phoebe (and Prue if it were possible) walking up the steps after getting the paper and doing a "what now?" conversation.

Anyone agree?

[pipercharmedphreak]

i actually liked the way the series ended! if TCOs had died to me that would have been lame- kind of like a "cop out" not to think of a way to let their lives move on!

[powerof314]

I think people are right to end a series with a cliff hanger would just plain stink who would want that. Now i understand that everyone is mad because Prue didn't come back along with Darrel but face the fact they didn't have money and if they got rid of Billie and Christy then what would they be doing to finish their destiny they cant kill the source again!! Now think about that.

[foxfire]

Darryl? That's a little far out there.

I'm glad they didn't end up with a cliffhanger for a finale. However, I think they did a kind of cheesy thing. Each sister gets married and has exactly three kids.... cheese.

[Esmeralda]

Oh, foxfire! I absolutely LOVE the idea of Piper going to go find PRUE to help, because you're right; that's exactly who she would've gone to. It would've been SOOO much more realistic if that had happened. Much as I love Patty (my favorite character on Charmed) and Grams, that makes a lot more sense than the time travel trip forward or even all the way back.

I agree that the three sisters, each with three kids, and three girls for one, two girls and a boyl for the second and two boys and a girl for the third is cheesy, but then I think the entire ending is cheesy. I tend to agree with others who think that whole bit, once they start writing in the Book, is pure fantasy--what they would *like* to see happen, not what necessarily does.

I don't believe price had anything to do with Shannen not coming back--I think she simply did not want to and I don't think the others tried too hard to bring her back. I do wish she would've, just for the fans.

If we didn't actually have the sisters go kaBLEWy (still my preferred method) or if we didn't get to have Prue be part of it, I would've preferred something like firefox's idea with the three sisters standing on the doorstep, picking up the paper, and discussing what comes next. And if by chance Piper was holding Little Chris and after the sisters walk in, we see *him* wave his hand, so *he's* the one who closes the door, I think that would please the most fans, including those of us who only like Chris when we think of him as Prue's reincarnation. At least then, it's not figuratively closing the door on Charmed, even if it literally would.

[foxfire]

I think it really is Brad Kern who couldn't swallow his pride. I mean, I don't think Alyssa has anything against Shannen. She has pictures with Shannen on her website for God's sake. I think Brad Kern just didn't want to have to go and ask her. I'm sure she would have loved to come back (well... maybe not loved... but she probably would have done it for her fans).

I personally love the whole idea of ending it the way it began. I think Brad assumed that happy endings mean everyone has to be married and have kids. I'm sorry but that's just not how it goes for everyone. I mean, it would have been nice to see Piper close the door at the end. Or maybe even have all three do it.

[MarAcev]

well... maybe not loved... but she probably would have done it for her fans).

And the money, don't forget the money.

[foxfire]

The WB is crazy. I think that's really one of the reasons we got the end we did. They gave them the tiniest budget for a genre show and then they insisted on having "spin-off characters" and promotable hunks.

That wasted money could have been spent on better things.

[Sasha]

Sept 7, 2007 16:29:03 GMT -5 Elder said:

What if we had the ability to manipulate the series of Charmed into having a totally different ending?
Imagine the stun value if it ended after eight years the way All Hell Breaks Loose ended...especially if there was never an ending like that for the show.
And this time we knew 110% it wouldn't be coming back for another year.

Could you imagine the fans reaction/response to that series ending scene?

Was thinking about this in another thread.


An ending like All Hell Breaks Loose would be just ending the series with Kill Billie Vol. 2 when the manor explodes and not knowing who survived. But what about an ending like S7, with the manor exploding and the sisters walking away from the burnt to the ground manor. 

Sept 13, 2007 4:08:01 GMT -5 Esmeralda said:

whitelightertony said:

They also could have put Darryl and Sheila in the flashforward where they show a scene from Phoebe and Coop's wedding.

The whole wedding scene with the Angel of Destiny doing it and only immediate family around was pretty barfy, even barfier than Paige's, when she couldn't have Sam or Patty there. Thinking back, I think Phoebe would've wanted a nice big church wedding. But I suppose they didn't have the money for that either...

But I would've preferred it ending on something like that and leaving what happened in the future for a movie or a spinoff. I just hated them closing the door on the whole idea of Charmed like that.

Now, I'm not crazy about the flashforwards. But a short time jump moving forward just 3-6 months after the final battle. Showing just Phoebe and Coop being married, but not showing any of the children or what happens after. I'd want Darryl here, but they may not have had the budget.

But personally, I'd just ditch Wyatt & Chris in order to afford Darryl for a cameo. He was on the show since the pilot, he deserved to appear someway in the finale. 

Sept 24, 2007 23:33:56 GMT -5 Esmeralda said:

Oh, foxfire! I absolutely LOVE the idea of Piper going to go find PRUE to help, because you're right; that's exactly who she would've gone to. It would've been SOOO much more realistic if that had happened. Much as I love Patty (my favorite character on Charmed) and Grams, that makes a lot more sense than the time travel trip forward or even all the way back.

I agree that the three sisters, each with three kids, and three girls for one, two girls and a boyl for the second and two boys and a girl for the third is cheesy, but then I think the entire ending is cheesy. I tend to agree with others who think that whole bit, once they start writing in the Book, is pure fantasy--what they would *like* to see happen, not what necessarily does.

I don't believe price had anything to do with Shannen not coming back--I think she simply did not want to and I don't think the others tried too hard to bring her back. I do wish she would've, just for the fans.

If we didn't actually have the sisters go kaBLEWy (still my preferred method) or if we didn't get to have Prue be part of it, I would've preferred something like firefox's idea with the three sisters standing on the doorstep, picking up the paper, and discussing what comes next. And if by chance Piper was holding Little Chris and after the sisters walk in, we see *him* wave his hand, so *he's* the one who closes the door, I think that would please the most fans, including those of us who only like Chris when we think of him as Prue's reincarnation. At least then, it's not figuratively closing the door on Charmed, even if it literally would.

I wasn't nuts on the idea that Piper, Patty and Grams can make up the Power of Three. How is that even possible?

But if Prue had come back, and if they had the money and Shannen agreed. But I get the sense she didn't want to return, and maybe they did try to bring her back but she refused or didn't like what became of the show she started?

Most definitely would I want Piper to go looking for Prue for help? Maybe at some point in time during S1-3. Because it makes so much more sense to go find Prue, who was an actual Charmed One. 

But the idea of recreating the final scene in the pilot and using something similar like that with the final scene of the series is the perfect bookend and homage for Charmed. 

[Esmeralda]

Mar 6, 2018 21:21:42 GMT -5 Sasha said:

Sept 7, 2007 16:29:03 GMT -5 Elder said:

What if we had the ability to manipulate the series of Charmed into having a totally different ending?
Imagine the stun value if it ended after eight years the way All Hell Breaks Loose ended...especially if there was never an ending like that for the show.
And this time we knew 110% it wouldn't be coming back for another year.

Could you imagine the fans reaction/response to that series ending scene?

Was thinking about this in another thread.


An ending like All Hell Breaks Loose would be just ending the series with Kill Billie Vol. 2 when the manor explodes and not knowing who survived. But what about an ending like S7, with the manor exploding and the sisters walking away from the burnt to the ground manor. 

Sept 13, 2007 4:08:01 GMT -5 Esmeralda said:

The whole wedding scene with the Angel of Destiny doing it and only immediate family around was pretty barfy, even barfier than Paige's, when she couldn't have Sam or Patty there. Thinking back, I think Phoebe would've wanted a nice big church wedding. But I suppose they didn't have the money for that either...

But I would've preferred it ending on something like that and leaving what happened in the future for a movie or a spinoff. I just hated them closing the door on the whole idea of Charmed like that.

Now, I'm not crazy about the flashforwards. But a short time jump moving forward just 3-6 months after the final battle. Showing just Phoebe and Coop being married, but not showing any of the children or what happens after. I'd want Darryl here, but they may not have had the budget.

But personally, I'd just ditch Wyatt & Chris in order to afford Darryl for a cameo. He was on the show since the pilot, he deserved to appear someway in the finale. 

Sept 24, 2007 23:33:56 GMT -5 Esmeralda said:

Oh, foxfire! I absolutely LOVE the idea of Piper going to go find PRUE to help, because you're right; that's exactly who she would've gone to. It would've been SOOO much more realistic if that had happened. Much as I love Patty (my favorite character on Charmed) and Grams, that makes a lot more sense than the time travel trip forward or even all the way back.

I agree that the three sisters, each with three kids, and three girls for one, two girls and a boyl for the second and two boys and a girl for the third is cheesy, but then I think the entire ending is cheesy. I tend to agree with others who think that whole bit, once they start writing in the Book, is pure fantasy--what they would *like* to see happen, not what necessarily does.

I don't believe price had anything to do with Shannen not coming back--I think she simply did not want to and I don't think the others tried too hard to bring her back. I do wish she would've, just for the fans.

If we didn't actually have the sisters go kaBLEWy (still my preferred method) or if we didn't get to have Prue be part of it, I would've preferred something like firefox's idea with the three sisters standing on the doorstep, picking up the paper, and discussing what comes next. And if by chance Piper was holding Little Chris and after the sisters walk in, we see *him* wave his hand, so *he's* the one who closes the door, I think that would please the most fans, including those of us who only like Chris when we think of him as Prue's reincarnation. At least then, it's not figuratively closing the door on Charmed, even if it literally would.

I wasn't nuts on the idea that Piper, Patty and Grams can make up the Power of Three. How is that even possible?

But if Prue had come back, and if they had the money and Shannen agreed. But I get the sense she didn't want to return, and maybe they did try to bring her back but she refused or didn't like what became of the show she started?

Most definitely would I want Piper to go looking for Prue for help? Maybe at some point in time during S1-3. Because it makes so much more sense to go find Prue, who was an actual Charmed One. 

But the idea of recreating the final scene in the pilot and using something similar like that with the final scene of the series is the perfect bookend and homage for Charmed. 

From what I read, Kern was going to have Prue be part of it, but Shannen didn't like the way Prue was used. Seeing how he changed Piper and Phoebe, I don't blame her.

There's some wonderful 'Forever Crap', I mean 'Forever Piper', I mean 'Forever Charmed' fanfic rewrites out there that does include both Prue and Cole (Kern said he didn't ask him because he'd already used up all of his credit with Julian in getting him to agree to be part of 'Seven Year Witch') and there's no way I can see Kern coming up with something as good. Or, for that matter, there could be ways of including them without actually showing them that would be better than, as you called it "Forever Boredom" (that also works) which is what I did in my own rewrite.

I think Wyatt and Chris were added later because their fans wanted them there. They added nothing to the plot. So enough Darryl-fans must not have asked for him so he'd be included, because them making up with him would've been more interesting than 'Forever Boredom' and might have helped turn the sisters back into the ones we loved.

[rebooted]

They could have also just left it at Season 7's ending and had Season 8 just be about Paige and Henry, with the other two sisters not in the picture anymore.

[Sasha]

Mar 7, 2018 7:47:51 GMT -5 Esmeralda said:

Mar 6, 2018 21:21:42 GMT -5 Sasha said:

Was thinking about this in another thread.


An ending like All Hell Breaks Loose would be just ending the series with Kill Billie Vol. 2 when the manor explodes and not knowing who survived. But what about an ending like S7, with the manor exploding and the sisters walking away from the burnt to the ground manor. 

Now, I'm not crazy about the flashforwards. But a short time jump moving forward just 3-6 months after the final battle. Showing just Phoebe and Coop being married, but not showing any of the children or what happens after. I'd want Darryl here, but they may not have had the budget.

But personally, I'd just ditch Wyatt & Chris in order to afford Darryl for a cameo. He was on the show since the pilot, he deserved to appear someway in the finale. 

I wasn't nuts on the idea that Piper, Patty and Grams can make up the Power of Three. How is that even possible?

But if Prue had come back, and if they had the money and Shannen agreed. But I get the sense she didn't want to return, and maybe they did try to bring her back but she refused or didn't like what became of the show she started?

Most definitely would I want Piper to go looking for Prue for help? Maybe at some point in time during S1-3. Because it makes so much more sense to go find Prue, who was an actual Charmed One. 

But the idea of recreating the final scene in the pilot and using something similar like that with the final scene of the series is the perfect bookend and homage for Charmed. 

From what I read, Kern was going to have Prue be part of it, but Shannen didn't like the way Prue was used. Seeing how he changed Piper and Phoebe, I don't blame her.

There's some wonderful 'Forever Crap', I mean 'Forever Piper', I mean 'Forever Charmed' fanfic rewrites out there that does include both Prue and Cole (Kern said he didn't ask him because he'd already used up all of his credit with Julian in getting him to agree to be part of 'Seven Year Witch') and there's no way I can see Kern coming up with something as good. Or, for that matter, there could be ways of including them without actually showing them that would be better than, as you called it "Forever Boredom" (that also works) which is what I did in my own rewrite.

I think Wyatt and Chris were added later because their fans wanted them there. They added nothing to the plot. So enough Darryl-fans must not have asked for him so he'd be included, because them making up with him would've been more interesting than 'Forever Boredom' and might have helped turn the sisters back into the ones we loved.

I'm glad Shannen was smart not too then if that is the case. I don't blame her for not wanting to return. That way our memories of Prue can remain good, her return could well have ruined her with poor writing.

How cool Es. I'm sure those wonderful stories did justice to the characters. 

That's too bad. Darryl being included would have been interesting than 'Forever Boredom'. They didn't add much to the story at all, and I know many people like finales with everyone returning, but sometimes it only takes up the screentime and doesn't leave room for what is important.

I felt more emotion watching SWTWG, even when the manor door closed and Darryl watched the sisters walk off. The music and the slow pan out followed beforehand with Prue's telekinesis sound closing the door. That was perfect. I wasn't aware Charmed had gotten another season at that point until I read about it. 

[Esmeralda]

Well, they didn't renew Charmed until very, very late in the process, so originally SWTWG *was* supposed to be the finale. Although the spoilers that used to be part of the old thecharmedones site (the Cafe was originally The Charmed Ones' message board) for that one showed Phoebe saying "Here we go!" then KaBOOM - end of series - much like how they ended The Sopranos, an ending I would've preferred over them going off to use magic for their own personal use while leaving two magical kids behind with their non-magical grandfather! Piper *so* should've bound their powers first and then unbind them when she got the boys back.

And the only way The WB let Charmed be renewed would be if Kern brought in a hot, young witch who could then star in her own spin-off. That infuriated the Charmed Sons fans who wanted their own spin-off. What they forgot to do was ask Wes Ramsey and Drew Fuller. Wes, who didn't get much work after Charmed, wanted to be part of it. According to his own website, Drew Fuller didn't want to be typecast as Chris, so he didn't want to be part of it. I would've LOVED to see a better actor play Chris, but I doubt if the Charmed Sons fans would've liked it.

But bringing in a comedic actress to play Billie was as bad as bringing in a movie actress to play Paige! I love Paige, but hate the way Rose played her, even as I now understand why she did what she did with the way she was treated. But if she was truly professional, she wouldn't have let that affect her performance. I *so* wish they could've gotten someone else to play her.

I hope the reboot isn't making the same mistake - choosing actors who look like they could be sisters rather than good actors like the first set of Charmed Ones were.

[Sasha]

Mar 7, 2018 22:38:28 GMT -5 Esmeralda said:

Well, they didn't renew Charmed until very, very late in the process, so originally SWTWG *was* supposed to be the finale. Although the spoilers that used to be part of the old thecharmedones site (the Cafe was originally The Charmed Ones' message board) for that one showed Phoebe saying "Here we go!" then KaBOOM - end of series - much like how they ended The Sopranos, an ending I would've preferred over them going off to use magic for their own personal use while leaving two magical kids behind with their non-magical grandfather! Piper *so* should've bound their powers first and then unbind them when she got the boys back.

And the only way The WB let Charmed be renewed would be if Kern brought in a hot, young witch who could then star in her own spin-off. That infuriated the Charmed Sons fans who wanted their own spin-off. What they forgot to do was ask Wes Ramsey and Drew Fuller. Wes, who didn't get much work after Charmed, wanted to be part of it. According to his own website, Drew Fuller didn't want to be typecast as Chris, so he didn't want to be part of it. I would've LOVED to see a better actor play Chris, but I doubt if the Charmed Sons fans would've liked it.

But bringing in a comedic actress to play Billie was as bad as bringing in a movie actress to play Paige! I love Paige, but hate the way Rose played her, even as I now understand why she did what she did with the way she was treated. But if she was truly professional, she wouldn't have let that affect her performance. I *so* wish they could've gotten someone else to play her.

I hope the reboot isn't making the same mistake - choosing actors who look like they could be sisters rather than good actors like the first set of Charmed Ones were.

Thanks for giving this rundown on what happened behind the scenes. Well if that was the ending they planned, that certainly would be pretty bold. That ending would certainly give fans so many fanfiction ideas on how to get out of that mess. While letting everyone decide what they think happened next. 

Let's hope the reboot won't make the same mistakes. 

[Aaeiyn]

The only thing I wished that happened differently was a better wrap up, for Billie's character.  We can still give that "cliff-hanger" vibe, after the Charmed Ones ending, we can end it off with Billie "projecting" to her sister, to try to "fix" killing her.  Like, she vanquishes the Demon, that took Christy, in the first place, and she sees her parents, again (who walk in into the bedroom, after hearing screams and loud explosions).  The camera hones in on Billie, who's smiling (like a smirk smile) and the show ends.