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Post by colehellsangel on Nov 8, 2007 21:12:35 GMT -5
Hello. I just joined and have had something on my mind for a while.
Anyway I was wondering about the last name Halliwell. I was reading an issue of Charmed Magazine and there is a poster of a small family tree of the Halliwells. Malinda's last name is Warren a last name that sticks until Penny(Grams) who's last name is Johnson. Her daughter is Patty the girl's mother and she is listed as Halliwell however we know that the girl's father's last name is Bennett. So where on earth did Halliwell come from? Its not her maiden name, that would have to be Johnson that of her mother Penny. It just occurred to me randomly even before buying the magazine.
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Post by vandergraafk on Nov 8, 2007 21:26:41 GMT -5
Well, if you're curious, you could take a lengthy glance at whitelightertony's family tree for the Charmed Ones. It is in one of these threads. If you can't find it, go to my forum charmedverse.proboards74.com where you will find it with its own thread. Good luck! See: A Time Line for Charmed! |
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Post by ljones on Nov 8, 2007 21:39:53 GMT -5
Hello. I just joined and have had something on my mind for a while. Anyway I was wondering about the last name Halliwell. I was reading an issue of Charmed Magazine and there is a poster of a small family tree of the Halliwells. Malinda's last name is Warren a last name that sticks until Penny(Grams) who's last name is Johnson. Her daughter is Patty the girl's mother and she is listed as Halliwell however we know that the girl's father's last name is Bennett. So where on earth did Halliwell come from? Its not her maiden name, that would have to be Johnson that of her mother Penny. It just occurred to me randomly even before buying the magazine. Halliwell is the last name of Penny's first husband, Patty's father and the sisters' maternal grandfather. This is the name that Penny had insisted that Patty and her granddaughters use. According to the Season 1 episode, "Is There a Woogy in the House?", the Halliwells were the ones who first purchased the manor following the 1906 earthquake. |
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Post by colehellsangel on Nov 9, 2007 0:28:12 GMT -5
Hello. I just joined and have had something on my mind for a while. Anyway I was wondering about the last name Halliwell. I was reading an issue of Charmed Magazine and there is a poster of a small family tree of the Halliwells. Malinda's last name is Warren a last name that sticks until Penny(Grams) who's last name is Johnson. Her daughter is Patty the girl's mother and she is listed as Halliwell however we know that the girl's father's last name is Bennett. So where on earth did Halliwell come from? Its not her maiden name, that would have to be Johnson that of her mother Penny. It just occurred to me randomly even before buying the magazine. Halliwell is the last name of Penny's first husband, Patty's father and the sisters' maternal grandfather. This is the name that Penny had insisted that Patty and her granddaughters use. According to the Season 1 episode, "Is There a Woogy in the House?", the Halliwells were the ones who first purchased the manor following the 1906 earthquake. Oh ok, thank you for that answer ljones  |
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Post by Elder on Nov 9, 2007 0:29:38 GMT -5
However in "Just Harried" we have Grams saying that Piper will keep her Halliwell name and not use Leo's last name because--according to Grams--the ladies keep their names in this family.
If that's the case, how and why did grams herself go from Johnson to Halliwell?
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Post by whitelightertony on Nov 9, 2007 3:27:03 GMT -5
Probably because Grams truly loved Allen John Halliwell, and kept his name to honor his memory because of the horrible way he died.
But Penny hypocritically made Patty keep the last name "Halliwell," mainly because Penny hated Victor.
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Post by Hansemand on Nov 9, 2007 11:25:51 GMT -5
Penny did love Allen, with all of her heart. The day he died and in such a horrible way, was also the day her persona completely changed (S6 eps. Witchstock).
But you see the same with Paige, she did not change her last name to Halliwell (although she could have), because she has a very big love for her adoptive parents who's last name was Matthews. She kept it to honor her parents, who also had a very horrible death (S4 eps. A Paige From The Past)
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Post by colehellsangel on Nov 9, 2007 15:43:04 GMT -5
Probably because Grams truly loved Allen John Halliwell, and kept his name to honor his memory because of the horrible way he died. But Penny hypocritically made Patty keep the last name "Halliwell," mainly because Penny hated Victor. Yeah that and it eventually became a feared name as Piper stated when the girls and Leo were attempting to name newborn Wyatt. |
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Post by ArchAngel on Nov 14, 2007 9:10:26 GMT -5
Probably because Grams truly loved Allen John Halliwell, and kept his name to honor his memory because of the horrible way he died. But Penny hypocritically made Patty keep the last name "Halliwell," mainly because Penny hated Victor. Yeah that and it eventually became a feared name as Piper stated when the girls and Leo were attempting to name newborn Wyatt. Yeah typical Demon response.... "Haliwell Sister? THE CHARMED ONES!!!!"  |
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Post by ljones on Nov 14, 2007 11:36:33 GMT -5
And yet, in two separate episodes from S3, Grams had stated that she never had a "true love". One would think she had insisted that Patty's dad - Allen or Jack - was different. But she didn't.
I have to agree. I don't see why demons would be all that concerned about the sisters' last name. They seemed to be more in fear of their nickname - "The Charmed Ones".
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Post by colehellsangel on Nov 15, 2007 1:11:24 GMT -5
And yet, in two separate episodes from S3, Grams had stated that she never had a "true love". One would think she had insisted that Patty's dad - Allen or Jack - was different. But she didn't. Maybe she meant that she had not had a true love since Allen but wanted to state it in such a way so she would not have to mention his name as it may be a painful subject to speak of. A theory supported by a similar situation in another of my favorite shows. I would explain but its hard to comprehend without proper knowledge of the show. Yeah it seems that the Halliwell name is associated with the Charmed Ones. Anyone with the Name Halliwell or any speak of the name Halliwell must be referring to a Charmed One. |
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Post by ljones on Nov 15, 2007 18:54:43 GMT -5
Again . . . why would the Halliwell name be associated with the Charmed Ones in the eyes of demons? I don't recall them ever being concerned or mentioning the Halliwell name with any kind of fear. Yet, some have mentioned the phrase - "the Charmed Ones" - with great emotion.
I wonder if Leo was trying make an excuse in his mind that his son would not have the Wyatt name as a surname.
By the spring of 2001, the sisters' grandfather had been dead for at least 34 years. If Penny meant that she had never had a true love since their grandfather, I think she would have mentioned it back in Season 3.
Here's another reason . . . the Season 6 episode, "Witchstock", is filled with bloopers. Of course, one could say the same about the family tree presented in "Pardon My Past". Let's face it. The writers have been notoriously inconsistent since the beginning. Why bother making up excuses to justify their mistakes?
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Post by colehellsangel on Nov 15, 2007 19:05:10 GMT -5
Again . . . why would the Halliwell name be associated with the Charmed Ones in the eyes of demons? I don't recall them ever being concerned or mentioning the Halliwell name with any kind of fear. Yet, some have mentioned the phrase - "the Charmed Ones" - with great emotion. I wonder if Leo was trying make an excuse in his mind that his son would not have the Wyatt name as a surname. Why would Leo want to make an excuse not to use Wyatt? Its is his last name after all, and never has he suggested hating it for any reason. That happens to a lot of shows. In one show that I used to be addicted too one character was said to have three sisters, be an only child and have only one older brother at different times in the series. I guess TV show writers sometimes don't pay attention to details and facts prior given. Although for the most part I think Charmed has been very consistent. |
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Post by ljones on Nov 15, 2007 22:39:07 GMT -5
CHARMED is one of the few shows that has a notorious reputation for being inconsistent with the show's canon. In "Pardon My Past", the sisters' grandfather's name was Jack and he had died in 1964 - at least according to the family tree. Penny tells her granddaughters at least twice in S3 that she never had a true love. Yet, in Season 6, we are led to believe that the name of the sisters' grandfather was Allen and he had died in 1967. And he was allegedly Penny's "true love".
Near the beginning of S1, Victor's last name was Halliwell. Yet, later in S1, we're told that Halliwell was Patty's maiden name. And Victor was given the name of Bennett in S3.
According to the S4 premiere, Paige was born in early August 1977. Yet over a year later in "Centennial Charmed", there is a tombstone with her year of birth as 1975 . . . the same year as Phoebe's.
It goes on and on with a fervent consistency rarely found in other TV shows. I'm not saying that other shows lacked any inconsistencies. But they don't have CHARMED's reputation in this area.
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Post by colehellsangel on Nov 15, 2007 23:20:22 GMT -5
CHARMED is one of the few shows that has a notorious reputation for being inconsistent with the show's canon. In "Pardon My Past", the sisters' grandfather's name was Jack and he had died in 1964 - at least according to the family tree. Penny tells her granddaughters at least twice in S3 that she never had a true love. Yet, in Season 6, we are led to believe that the name of the sisters' grandfather was Allen and he had died in 1967. And he was allegedly Penny's "true love". Near the beginning of S1, Victor's last name was Halliwell. Yet, later in S1, we're told that Halliwell was Patty's maiden name. And Victor was given the name of Bennett in S3. According to the S4 premiere, Paige was born in early August 1977. Yet over a year later in "Centennial Charmed", there is a tombstone with her year of birth as 1975 . . . the same year as Phoebe's. It goes on and on with a fervent consistency rarely found in other TV shows. I'm not saying that other shows lacked any inconsistencies. But they don't have CHARMED's reputation in this area. Ok wow, I never knew any of this. Those are small mistakes though, not very noticeable except to those who pay very close attention to mistakes in shows. The show I was referring to before with the character's siblings being changed all the time has a lot of other very noticeable nitpicks like that. Mistakes are made all the time some facts are thrown in there to begin with just for show, (IE: Paige's tomb stone) and by the time they need to focus on the facts later in the series its forgotten that they even gave out or showed such a fact previously. As for the Grams thing, thats not really justified, relationships are important and thus should be paid attention to by the writers. |
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Post by whitelightertony on Nov 17, 2007 23:04:17 GMT -5
In one of the Season 5 episodes, one demon mentioned "Piper Halliwell" by name when referring to her pregnancy...so they're obviously aware of the Charmed Ones' last name in the mortal world.
"Halliwell" has become synonymous with "the Charmed Ones," and the fear instilled in the demonic community by that reference.
Sorry, but I have to agree with colehellsangel here.
It had been a long time since Allen's death at the hands of Robin and Nigel. In hindsight, Grams probably felt she never got to fully experience the lifelong magnitude of true love that she would have if Allen hadn't been killed.
Very true.
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Post by colehellsangel on Nov 17, 2007 23:42:17 GMT -5
Right, its not so much the name itself. Its that they must know that every charmed one they have dealt with has held the last name Halliwell so all Halliwells must be Charmed Ones.
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Post by whitelightertony on Nov 18, 2007 0:05:39 GMT -5
Also, we see how powerful Wyatt becomes, as an individual, in the future.
Wyatt probably keeps his last name of "Halliwell," and reminds every evil creature he comes up against of the family line he descended from.
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Post by colehellsangel on Nov 18, 2007 0:10:03 GMT -5
Yeah if anyone Wyatt is the one that put the scary label on the name since he is said to be the most powerful magical child.
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Post by ljones on Nov 18, 2007 6:58:26 GMT -5
Demons being afraid of Wyatt's surname? Especially when they have shown not to give a d**n about the Halliwell name when they were fighting his mother and aunts?
Hmmm . . .
You mean like Paige Matthews?
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