Paige and Leo?

[colehellsangel]

claygee said:

As Pheobe said in the episode where Prue ruined Piper's wedding " Leo and Piper's love has touched us all"

Amen

[pipercharmedphreak]

colehellsangel said:

claygee said:

As Pheobe said in the episode where Prue ruined Piper's wedding " Leo and Piper's love has touched us all"

Amen

Ditto!!!

[Piper3]

yeah.
I love them
Paige and Leo might have had a little something but it would have been weird to see them together. Plus Leo and Piper are perfect. They are awsome. There love really was amazing. It lets me know there really is such thing as love. Also to never give up on love.

[Esmeralda]

musicrpgoddess said:

Personally, Julian had more chemistry with Shannen, Holly, and Rose than he did with Alyssa. Especially in The Good, The Bad, and The Cursed (naturally since J/S were dating) and The Seven Year Witch.

I agree. I think Julian had a lot more chemistry with Shannen and Rose than he did with Alyssa--he and Alyssa were acting while the air between the others sizzled!

And keep in mind the very *very* thin line between love and hate.... The opposite of love is boredom, not hate--deep inside, you still love the ones you hate; you're simply hurt.

Paige and Cole would've also made a *very* interesting couple... especially if Phoebe had realized that Cole was possessed, and helped him beat the possession so Cole would've had no reason to hate Paige.

As for Paige and Leo. There was a fan fic that had to do with something like this. I can't remember what it's called. ES! Come back to this thread. I'm sure you've read this story. After Prue dies and Paige comes to them and Leo and her "have" to be together and an island is involved. I'm sure you've read it.

Yep, I have--it's what got me going thinking about those two as a couple, especially when Piper and Leo were such a horrible couple from S6 on (the reason I wish Leo had stayed gone after Chris blasted him. I love my angel before S6 and am bored with the Elder/Avatar/useless mortal after S5.)

The fic is called "The Heiress of Magic" and was written by Alchemystik31. It's part of a trilogy which also includes "The Child of Light". If Alchemystik31 ever finished that one or started the last one, I don't know about it, since I've lost track of her and her fics, which is a shame, since they were very well-written. Although her best fic is "Cole to the Infinite Power", Cole's autobiography. For sure that gal channels Cole.

[colehellsangel]

Paige and Cole would've also made a *very* interesting couple... especially if Phoebe had realized that Cole was possessed, and helped him beat the possession so Cole would've had no reason to hate Paige.

I say no way I think Cole would have been best with Prue if we are counting out Phoebe here. You could tell by their performances together that Shannon and Julian were dating. Which sorry to Shannon but that is kind of bad acting on her part since Paige is like the mirror image of how Prue felt about Cole.

The Good the Bad and the Cursed:

Prue: So what do we do first?
Cole: Take my hand
Prue: Uggh this already sucks!

Prue definitely hated Cole just as Paige grew to. Not to mention Prue was also the first to suspect that there was "something wrong with him"(as in he's a demon). But she strikes me as more of the dangerous guy type than any of the four sisters. I think they could have worked for a little bit at least. So I think A Cole, Prue, Phoebe love triangle could have been interesting.

But Sorry I dislike him with Paige, no offense I respect your view but ewww.

Yep, I have--it's what got me going thinking about those two as a couple, especially when Piper and Leo were such a horrible couple from S6 on

I thought their relationship started sucking when he became an Elder. I prefer them as their whitelighter. He then became more absorbed in his duties than his family and his most importantly his children. I did not like that. And then the Avatar thing made it worse.

[Esmeralda]

That's why Leo becoming a father was a very *very* bad move. It also shows why whitelighers should never become involved with their charges and why the Elders should've taken Leo away and kept him away as soon as he and Piper fell in love. Piper and Leo saving the Elders' a$$es in Blinded by the Whitelighter was NOT a good enough reason for them to be married.

Then them having children while they were still fighting evil was absolutely as irresponsible as could be! Piper should've been on birth control from the moment they started having sex until the moment either she gives up her powers (as she should've) or he clipped his wings (which he shouldn't have).

Yes, as a father Leo's duty was to his kids. But his higher responsibility was to all of his charges. He and Piper never should've had kids until/unless he clipped his wings.

And Piper's reaction towards his reaction towards his charges and his higher destiny showed how very, *very* self-centered and selfish she had become and why she didn't deserve either my angel or her powers. They should've been taken away from her long, *long* before Leo became an Elder.

[colehellsangel]

No becoming an Elder is what screwed them up they were doing well up until then, but because Elders are not allowed to visit earth which was then contradicted as they appeared many times at magic school; Leo was forced to be away from his family which he accepted over his wife and son. Remember he and Piper after a while of butting heads decided that they wanted children together and then he goes and accepts promotion to an elder. I think that was the most irresponsible move a father could make. He wanted a family and then he abandons them. Had he refused to promotion to elder they would still be fine and he would have been there to protect Phoebe and Piper so there would have been no reason to become an avatar which had only made things worse. This is why I dislike the later seasons, Leo was such a loyal and caring whitelighter to the sisters who was always there lickdy split when one of them needed him. I loved him like that, thats the kind of man I want to someday marry but then he went and betrayed not just his wife and son but all of the sisters since his duties were to all of them as their whitelighter.

[whitelightertony]

That's why Leo becoming a father was a very *very* bad move. It also shows why whitelighers should never become involved with their charges and why the Elders should've taken Leo away and kept him away as soon as he and Piper fell in love. Piper and Leo saving the Elders' a$$es in Blinded by the Whitelighter was NOT a good enough reason for them to be married.

Well then blame the Elders for assigning Leo to be the Charmed Ones' whitelighter in the first place...they knew Piper and Leo had been lovers in their past lives.

[Esmeralda]

whitelightertony said:

That's why Leo becoming a father was a very *very* bad move. It also shows why whitelighers should never become involved with their charges and why the Elders should've taken Leo away and kept him away as soon as he and Piper fell in love. Piper and Leo saving the Elders' a$$es in Blinded by the Whitelighter was NOT a good enough reason for them to be married.

Well then blame the Elders for assigning Leo to be the Charmed Ones' whitelighter in the first place...they knew Piper and Leo had been lovers in their past lives.

Oh, I definitely blame the Elders, make absolutely totally no mistake about that! Especially with Piper as Patty's daughter and knowing what had happened with Patty and Sam, assigning Leo was a horrible mistake on their part and so was their letting him remain their whitelighter once Phoebe discovered his secret.

It's the reason why I've always thought that Prue should've been assigned as her nephews' whitelighter. She deseves to be a whitelighter after giving up her life for an innocent and with her as their whitelighter, there would be no chance of them falling in love with their whitelighter and she would've kept them ontrack, the way she kept Piper and Phoebe ontrack.

I always believed that that's why the sisters didn't know right away that Leo was their whitelighter, the way all of the other witches always seemed to know who theirs was. I think it was *Leo* who wanted to be their whitelighter and talked the Elders into letting him do it by pretending to be the handyman. As I said and as you said, as soon as the sisters found out, he should've been taken away and kept away.

Ditto in S2, my own favorite season when Piper & Leo were my favorite couple. But now looking back and seeing how much Piper valued her normal life over Leo's higher destiny to take care of his charges shows how very, very much the Elders screwed up by not taking him away and keeping him away and how very, *very* little she deserved my angel. She would've been so much happier with a mortal like Dan or Greg or Henry as she would've eventually done had Leo been taken away, and the war of good vs evil would've been much better served. And I'd always look back at my favorite couple fondly (can you tell I got my avatar made for me during S5, before Piper became so self-centered?! I keep it just because I still think they all look their best then), thinking what could've been, instead now looking back at my least-favorite couple and thinking what should've been.

But the Elders' mistake does *NOT* make Piper and Leo having children why they were still fighting evil any better. For them to consider having them even while Phoebe was the Queen of Evil shows how wrong it was for them to get married. The same way Leo's highest destiny was to be an angel and take care of his charges, Piper's highest destiny was to be a Charmed One--to protect the innocents, not just her own family which is what she did once she became a mother. She should not have become a mother until/unless the sisters agreed to give up their powers and that destiny, the same way Leo never should've had children until after he gave up his wings. To do less was ultra-irresponsible both to their children and to the innocents. It's why I eventually found myself loathing the two who were once my favorite couple.

As soon as Piper convinced Leo to worry about her and their family rather than their charges, Good lost one of their best weapons in the fight against evil Had Piper thought about anyone besides Piper she would've realized that and either let Leo do his job or get on birth control and stay on it.

[ljones]

Yeah Piper and Leo did have their moments where it was like "how the hell are these two a couple!?" But thats why they say opposites attract. I think they were perfect together.

Sorry, I just don't agree. The only difference between Piper and Leo was the fact that she had a cynical nature and he didn't. Yet, both were two introverts who had a lot of other personality traits in common. Too many, if you ask me.

And I still believe that Piper had a more interesting chemistry with Mark Cho and that guy named Josh.

Well then blame the Elders for assigning Leo to be the Charmed Ones' whitelighter in the first place...they knew Piper and Leo had been lovers in their past lives

There is NO WAY Piper and Leo's past selves were lovers. "Pardon My Past", in my opinion, got it all wrong.

One, there is no possible way that Grams' family owned the manor in 1924. According to "Is There a Woogy in the House?", the Halliwells - Grams' in-laws - purchased the house in 1906. And the manor has been owned by the Halliwells, until the death of the sisters' grandfather in the 1960s.

Two, there is no way Leo's past self was alive in 1924. In fact, there is no way that Leo was born in 1924. That would mean that Leo had joined the Army several months before his 18th birthday in 1942. And I very much doubt that Piper would feel comfortable falling in love with a guy who remained 18-20 years old for five to six decades. Also, Leo was in medical school (which meant that he had already earned a Bachelor's degree) when he joined the Army in 1942. Chances are that he was already a little boy in 1924. And the show never made any hints that Leo was another "Doogie Howser".

[Assassin Witch]

esmeralda said:

For them to consider having them even while Phoebe was the Queen of Evil shows how wrong it was for them to get married.

Umm...we're talking about PIPER right? PIPER, the sister who is concerned with FAMILY. You're saying that she shouldn't have been THINKING about having her OWN FAMILY? So, when the ep came and Piper thought she couldn't have children, you wish that she really couldn't? That's not right. We've been talking about Piper up the wall (The crying thread), and we've established that she is FAMILY-oriented. So, she shouldn't have a family because she fell in love with a whitelighter? That's not right.

ljones said:

There is NO WAY Piper and Leo's past selves were lovers. "Pardon My Past", in my opinion, got it all wrong.

One, there is no possible way that Grams' family owned the manor in 1924. According to "Is There a Woogy in the House?", the Halliwells - Grams' in-laws - purchased the house in 1906. And the manor has been owned by the Halliwells, until the death of the sisters' grandfather in the 1960s.

Two, there is no way Leo's past self was alive in 1924. In fact, there is no way that Leo was born in 1924. That would mean that Leo had joined the Army several months before his 18th birthday in 1942. And I very much doubt that Piper would feel comfortable falling in love with a guy who remained 18-20 years old for five to six decades. Also, Leo was in medical school (which meant that he had already earned a Bachelor's degree) when he joined the Army in 1942. Chances are that he was already a little boy in 1924. And the show never made any hints that Leo was another "Doogie Howser".

When they say that the house has been in the Halliwell family since 1906, they don't mean Patty's father's family. They mean the Warren-Halliwell line. It's clearly showed in "Pardon My Past". I haven't seen "Is there..." in a long time, but does anyone know WHO stated that fact about the house?

Leo. My favorite trivia question to ask is how old is Leo. He is 18 years old. Yes, he doesn't look it, but whatever. He was born in 1924 and they met in 1998. Sure, in LIVING age, he is 18, but with everything he's experienced and whatnot, he's not 18.

Now, I don't know much about schooling back in the early-mid 1900s, but it's not like it was today - that much I do know.

It's wartime and they needed people. So, Leo signed up as a Medic. Sure, of course he had been through some training, but how knows how much or the circumstances.

[pipercharmedphreak]

The "Leo" storyline (whitelighter, past life) isnt always that clear! But even if they were not lovers in their past life, they were still definately meant for each other!!! IMO

[1fanofcharmed]

Yea I agree!

[colehellsangel]

It's the reason why I've always thought that Prue should've been assigned as her nephews' whitelighter. She deseves to be a whitelighter after giving up her life for an innocent

Yes I have thought about that, she does deserve to be a whitelighter not just to the boys but to all of them. However Shannon returning for guest appearances was not an option. Unfortunately.

And I still believe that Piper had a more interesting chemistry with Mark Cho

Yes I agree she was sweet with Mark, thats one of my favorite episodes. But I believe that she was best with Leo, they were a great couple in my opinion at least until he became an elder.

musicrpgoddess said:

esmeralda said:

For them to consider having them even while Phoebe was the Queen of Evil shows how wrong it was for them to get married.

Umm...we're talking about PIPER right? PIPER, the sister who is concerned with FAMILY. You're saying that she shouldn't have been THINKING about having her OWN FAMILY? So, when the ep came and Piper thought she couldn't have children, you wish that she really couldn't? That's not right. We've been talking about Piper up the wall (The crying thread), and we've established that she is FAMILY-oriented. So, she shouldn't have a family because she fell in love with a whitelighter? That's not right.

Yes I agree, how did the conversation get to be negative about Piper? Last I was in this conversation we were scolding Leo for becoming an Elder. Piper loves her family and always puts them first.

There is NO WAY Piper and Leo's past selves were lovers. "Pardon My Past", in my opinion, got it all wrong.

One, there is no possible way that Grams' family owned the manor in 1924. According to "Is There a Woogy in the House?", the Halliwells - Grams' in-laws - purchased the house in 1906. And the manor has been owned by the Halliwells, until the death of the sisters' grandfather in the 1960s.

Two, there is no way Leo's past self was alive in 1924. In fact, there is no way that Leo was born in 1924. That would mean that Leo had joined the Army several months before his 18th birthday in 1942. And I very much doubt that Piper would feel comfortable falling in love with a guy who remained 18-20 years old for five to six decades. Also, Leo was in medical school (which meant that he had already earned a Bachelor's degree) when he joined the Army in 1942. Chances are that he was already a little boy in 1924. And the show never made any hints that Leo was another "Doogie Howser".

When they say that the house has been in the Halliwell family since 1906, they don't mean Patty's father's family. They mean the Warren-Halliwell line. It's clearly showed in "Pardon My Past". I haven't seen "Is there..." in a long time, but does anyone know WHO stated that fact about the house?

Leo. My favorite trivia question to ask is how old is Leo. He is 18 years old. Yes, he doesn't look it, but whatever. He was born in 1924 and they met in 1998. Sure, in LIVING age, he is 18, but with everything he's experienced and whatnot, he's not 18.

Now, I don't know much about schooling back in the early-mid 1900s, but it's not like it was today - that much I do know.

It's wartime and they needed people. So, Leo signed up as a Medic. Sure, of course he had been through some training, but how knows how much or the circumstances.

Wait I am confused, in Pardon My Past Past Piper is married to Dan's past self. So what's all this about Leo being 18?

[pipercharmedphreak]

I am confused as well... Leo 18??? please explain!!

[1fanofcharmed]

Yea how did the conversation get to be negaitve about Piper?!

[Piper3]

yeah thats what I would like to know. I love Piper.

[Assassin Witch]

colehellsangel said:

Wait I am confused, in Pardon My Past Past Piper is married to Dan's past self. So what's all this about Leo being 18?

Piper's past (Grams' mother) and Dan's past (Grams' father) were married. BUT, also in that episode, it was shown that Past Piper knew Past Leo and they had had a relationship. They were not together, but they had been at one point.

As for Leo being 18? He was born in 1924 and died in 1942. That means he was 18 when he died in World War II as a medic and became a whitelighter.

[pipercharmedphreak]

pipercharmedphreak said:

I am confused as well... Leo 18??? please explain!!

Duh!!! Must have been having a blonde moment when I posted that! (I am a blonde so that is not an attack, just an expression)

[colehellsangel]

musicrpgoddess said:

colehellsangel said:

Wait I am confused, in Pardon My Past Past Piper is married to Dan's past self. So what's all this about Leo being 18?

Piper's past (Grams' mother) and Dan's past (Grams' father) were married. BUT, also in that episode, it was shown that Past Piper knew Past Leo and they had had a relationship. They were not together, but they had been at one point.

As for Leo being 18? He was born in 1924 and died in 1942. That means he was 18 when he died in World War II as a medic and became a whitelighter.

Oh thank you for explaining for both things. I have not seen Pardon my Past for a while. I did not realize that Past Piper and Dan were Grams parents, thats interesting. I also did not remember that Past Piper and Past Leo knew each other. I need to watch the episodes again. And yes that all makes sense now including Leo's age.

And Pipercharmedphreak I am blond as well and I often use the expression as well. Maybe it just does not offend me because I am more of a black hair fan hehe.