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Post by ~.:Alysha:.~ on Jan 24, 2008 19:32:55 GMT -5
Hi guys, i was just wondering in "Forver Charmed" when Piper goes back in time with Leo they go to get Grams but why does Grams not seem to know who Leo is?? I dont understand why Grams wouldnt know who Leo is because in the Episode "Witchstock" Leo is there with Grams being all hippyish?? So if Grams new Leo in "Witchstock" when they were in the year 1967 wouldnt she know Leo in "Forever Charmed" since Grams is older and actually a Grams in that Episode??
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Post by spiritsas on Jan 24, 2008 21:36:45 GMT -5
Actually, that's not a bad question. We can either, however, toss it on the stack with all the other minor and not so minor mistakes the writers made or try to explain it away as Grams faulty memory. I can see no other reason. Any other theories?
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Post by colehellsangel on Jan 24, 2008 22:44:24 GMT -5
I have a theory. At the end of Witchstock when its time for the girls to go back to the future Grams ventures more to herself than them that she wants to make a forgetting potion for herself to erase finding out she has granddaughters. Perhaps it worked a little too well and some other small things were also forgotten.
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Post by UnderTheirSpell on Jan 24, 2008 23:55:50 GMT -5
I have a theory. At the end of Witchstock when its time for the girls to go back to the future Grams ventures more to herself than them that she wants to make a forgetting potion for herself to erase finding out she has granddaughters. Perhaps it worked a little too well and some other small things were also forgotten. i would have to agree with this one.  |
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Post by The Original P3 on Jan 25, 2008 0:15:23 GMT -5
Actually, I just dismiss "Witchstock" as a bad dream with a great looking whitelighter from the future.  Witchstock makes absolutely NO SENSE with the previous 5 and half years of information established in Charmed. This takes place in January of 1967. Please explain to me then how Prue is born 3 years later? So that right there gives me enough amo to just think of the whole ordeal as a potion gone array. I'll believe Prue's birthday over a random episode in season 6 that's very, IMO, forgettable. |
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Post by pipercharmedphreak on Jan 25, 2008 0:17:47 GMT -5
Actually, I just dismiss "Witchstock" as a bad dream with a great looking whitelighter from the future. Witchstock makes absolutely NO SENSE with the previous 5 and half years of information established in Charmed. This takes place in January of 1967. Please explain to me then how Prue is born 3 years later? So that right there gives me enough amo to just think of the whole ordeal as a potion gone array. I'll believe Prue's birthday over a random episode in season 6 that's very, IMO, forgettable. Oh I agree! There were parts of that episode that were decent but overall, not a very good episode. |
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Post by colehellsangel on Jan 25, 2008 0:21:28 GMT -5
Actually, I just dismiss "Witchstock" as a bad dream with a great looking whitelighter from the future. Witchstock makes absolutely NO SENSE with the previous 5 and half years of information established in Charmed. This takes place in January of 1967. Please explain to me then how Prue is born 3 years later? So that right there gives me enough amo to just think of the whole ordeal as a potion gone array. I'll believe Prue's birthday over a random episode in season 6 that's very, IMO, forgettable. Well Teen Pregnancy has been an issue forever. perhaps Patty was really young when getting pregnant with Prue however I agree that it still does not make sense since she would not know Victor yet at this age. So it only makes sense if Prue was a half sister to Piper and Phoebe but its been established that Victor is Prue's father. |
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Post by zzuzu on Jan 25, 2008 1:38:52 GMT -5
I go with theory that colehellsangel posted. It just makes sense.
It's still better than say that writters messed it up over again. Sad is that it happend just 2 and half years ago.
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Post by The Original P3 on Jan 25, 2008 2:05:59 GMT -5
Well Teen Pregnancy has been an issue forever. perhaps Patty was really young when getting pregnant with Prue however I agree that it still does not make sense since she would not know Victor yet at this age. So it only makes sense if Prue was a half sister to Piper and Phoebe but its been established that Victor is Prue's father. And that would be a good point, except then "That 70's Episode" no longer makes any sense. And "That 70's Episode" has a lot more factual information regarding TCO's as children and the state of Patty and Victor's marriage. That 70's Episode takes place 8 years after "Witchstock". There's no way that Penny aged that much in 8 years. She looks to be in her late 20's even in Witchstock. I wouldn't push it any farther than early 30's though. There's no way anyone can convince me that Penny was in her late 40's in "Witchstock" which would be the only plausible way for it to make some sense with "That 70's Episode". Even then it's pushing it. Plus the whole deal with Alan. Grams was married 4 times. If Alan was her first husband, then she would have had to have married 3 times in less than 8 years. I'm not saying it couldn't be done, but they picked a horrible date to have "Witchstock" take place and an actress that was wayy too young to pass off as their grandmother in that year. |
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Post by colehellsangel on Jan 25, 2008 2:22:28 GMT -5
Well than the only thing wrong in Witchstock is the year.
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Post by ljones on Jan 25, 2008 2:43:50 GMT -5
Patty was born in April 1950. Which would make her at least 20 years old around Prue's birth (according to "Hell Hath No Fury") or 21 years old (according to early S1).
I don't think that should have erased her memory of Leo in 1967. Just her granddaughters.
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Post by Assassin Witch on Jan 25, 2008 17:42:11 GMT -5
Actually, I just dismiss "Witchstock" as a bad dream with a great looking whitelighter from the future. Witchstock makes absolutely NO SENSE with the previous 5 and half years of information established in Charmed. This takes place in January of 1967. Please explain to me then how Prue is born 3 years later? So that right there gives me enough amo to just think of the whole ordeal as a potion gone array. I'll believe Prue's birthday over a random episode in season 6 that's very, IMO, forgettable. Patty was born in April 1950. Which would make her at least 20 years old around Prue's birth (according to "Hell Hath No Fury") or 21 years old (according to early S1). Yep! There is just so much wrong with Witchstock. And, Alan says Patty is with his sister. Umm..WHY would that be? See, if they had originally done it with Patty, then the episode would have made a bit more sense, but they were too lazy to scrap it and rewrite a new episode. PLUS! Back to the original question of Penny and Leo. Leo would never be like that. I cannot imagine him ever acting like that. |
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Post by colehellsangel on Jan 25, 2008 18:02:22 GMT -5
Why wouldn't that be? Just because she may be old enough to stay alone at home does not mean she has to. And maybe she has a bond with her aunt and likes being with her. I don't see anything wrong with Witchstock except the year. Not to say as you are all wrong, perhaps I am just blind out of my skull.   |
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Post by Assassin Witch on Jan 25, 2008 19:14:22 GMT -5
Because Patty would be old enough to join in with her parents. The way they say it, it seems as if they're talking about a baby/little kid.
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Post by Esmeralda on Jan 25, 2008 19:33:38 GMT -5
I agree totally. Saying that Patty was left behind with her aunt definitely made it sound like it was 1967, the summer of love, three years before Prue was born.
I read somewhere that originally that episode was written for Patty, but Finola Hughes wasn't able to make it so they changed it around to fit Penny. As usual, bad idea! It should've simply been scrapped. It was a semi-cute show, but didn't fit into what was going on at the time at all.
I love the idea that, like "Forever Charmed" (my explanation for all the inconsistencies), "Witchstock" was just someone's dream. Makes sense to me!
The other explanation I've heard which makes just as much sense is that maybe the Charmed Ones weren't the first Halliwells to go time-travelling. When Patty was growing up, it would've been during a time when witches weren't very well received. So why not time-travel to a time when it was?? And after Allen died, Penny and Patty went back...
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Post by colehellsangel on Jan 25, 2008 22:28:43 GMT -5
I read somewhere that originally that episode was written for Patty, but Finola Hughes wasn't able to make it so they changed it around to fit Penny. As usual, bad idea! It should've simply been scrapped. It was a semi-cute show, but didn't fit into what was going on at the time at all. Wow I never knew this, no wonder they used the wrong year. How hard would it have been to just make it an earlier year? |
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Post by Assassin Witch on Jan 25, 2008 22:58:16 GMT -5
They'd have to rewrite the time jump from that ep. It wouldn't be about the 60s and the hippy days that way.
They were just too lazy!
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Post by colehellsangel on Jan 26, 2008 1:01:21 GMT -5
So who said it would have had to be about the hippie days. Lame excuse. Although I personally like the episode, they really should have made it fit better even if it meant changing the entire setting.
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Post by ~.:Alysha:.~ on Jan 26, 2008 7:11:14 GMT -5
^^Yeah i totally agree i liked that episode! They should of thought about things a little more
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Post by whitelightertony on Jan 27, 2008 17:08:16 GMT -5
Okay, first, the most logical way to explain why Patty was with her aunt in "Witchstock" is that seventeen-year-old Patty, being more reserved and conservative than Hippie Penny, thought that the hippy-dippy stuff was "lame" and didn't want to partake in it.
So Penny and Alan, adopting a "Do Your Own Thing" mentality, allowed their daughter to spend the weekend with her aunt while the hippie witches gathered at the manor.
Obviously, the practical reason for Patty's absence in the episode was Finola's lack of availability.
Secondly, just because Leo was hanging out at the manor with the other hippie witches and hippie whitelighters doesn't mean he and Penny necessarily knew each other very well.
Perhaps Leo and Penny were only slightly acquainted during the Summer of Love, and Penny didn't even bother to remember Leo's name? After Penny abandoned the hippie lifestyle, Leo had no reason to hang around the manor anymore...and Penny didn't cross paths with Leo again until 2001, at which point Penny was a ghostly spirit and Leo was engaged to Piper.
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Witchstock makes absolutely NO SENSE with the previous 5 and half years of information established in Charmed. This takes place in January of 1967. Please explain to me then how Prue is born 3 years later? So that right there gives me enough amo to just think of the whole ordeal as a potion gone array. I'll believe Prue's birthday over a random episode in season 6 that's very, IMO, forgettable.
