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Post by EmCeeMike on Feb 14, 2008 2:56:02 GMT -5
In "Astral Monkey" Dr. Williamson acquires The Charmed Ones powers and he eventually goes mad because he was not meant to receive these gifts like the sisters were. In another episode much later on in the series i forget what it is called but it is one in season 7 where Phoebe is trying to show Piper what she saw in her vision to help her decide if she wanted to go through with the Avatars Utopia or not. When Phoebe casts the spell her powers as well as Pipers powers go out the window and into two mortals now they are very freaked out and scared at the beginning but they later get some control and use their powers for personal gain. Near the end of the episode Phoebe shows the man that received her powers the vision she was trying to show Piper and he realizes that he needs to give her powers back.
What i don't understand is how in "Astral Monkey" Dr. Williamson went mad and crazy because he wasn't ready, but when the two other mortals received their powers they were not meant for them either but they didn't go mad or insane because of it. All they did was try to use them to help themselves in their lives, hardly going crazy, so i guess i would just like to understand why that is.
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Post by ArchAngel on Feb 14, 2008 4:32:34 GMT -5
In "Astral Monkey" Dr. Williamson acquires The Charmed Ones powers and he eventually goes mad because he was not meant to receive these gifts like the sisters were. In another episode much later on in the series i forget what it is called but it is one in season 7 where Phoebe is trying to show Piper what she saw in her vision to help her decide if she wanted to go through with the Avatars Utopia or not. When Phoebe casts the spell her powers as well as Pipers powers go out the window and into two mortals now they are very freaked out and scared at the beginning but they later get some control and use their powers for personal gain. Near the end of the episode Phoebe shows the man that received her powers the vision she was trying to show Piper and he realizes that he needs to give her powers back. What i don't understand is how in "Astral Monkey" Dr. Williamson went mad and crazy because he wasn't ready, but when the two other mortals received their powers they were not meant for them either but they didn't go mad or insane because of it. All they did was try to use them to help themselves in their lives, hardly going crazy, so i guess i would just like to understand why that is. He didn't go "crazy", he started justifying using the powers to get what he wanted as fast as he could (Getting Organs from Criminals to save innocents) Might be a bent notion but no different from the Elders still thinking they are "good" in justifying tring to kill Avatar Leo, or the girls thinking guys with powers are inherntly evil (Except for L eo)  |
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Post by EmCeeMike on Feb 14, 2008 5:59:17 GMT -5
Yeah but if he was in the correct state of mind (his usual state of mind) he never would have done that. Having the powers made him unreasonable, uncontrollable, and i personally think you can't compare the Elders wanting to kill Leo for being an Avatar to this because Leo wasn't killing innocents. I mean he was a doctor ending one life to save another is hardly helping or doing the right thing for that matter. In my eyes that makes him crazy to think he was helping.
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Post by ArchAngel on Feb 14, 2008 9:28:58 GMT -5
Yeah but if he was in the correct state of mind (his usual state of mind) he never would have done that. he was a doctor ending one life to save another is hardly helping or doing the right thing for that matter Yes they would (Doctors/Nurses)....it's called "Triage" and they DO make desicions that cause people to die waiting for an operation/for service, and I lost 2 family members because the ER decided that someone else was more important to serve first over my family members Yeah, and the girls never experienced a power trip? No, he was killing Elders and joined "the other side" and when they couldn't reason with him they became hostile without provokcation from Leo Truth is relative to your point of view. The girls end demon and Warlock lives all the time to save another life, and life is life so what gives them the "holier then thout" attitude and self justification to kill a demon when removing the innocent from danger would be just as easy? Let's not forget theyv'e killed Cole or tried to Kill Cole cause of personal issues with him with the "justification" that he is "evil". |
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Post by Hansemand on Feb 14, 2008 11:06:48 GMT -5
No, he was killing Elders and joined "the other side" and when they couldn't reason with him they became hostile without provokcation from Leo Leo killed Gideon because Gideon was trying to murder Wyatt, fully understandable even by the Elders as it later turned out. The other Elder that Leo killed (Zola) was because Barbas played with Leo's mind (brainwashing him) into believing that Gideon and Zola had been working together in the attempt to murder Wyatt. The Elders were afraid of Leo, because they were afraid of the Avatars. They knew what happened the last time the Avatars tried to create their Utopia on Earth: Chaos and lots of dead innocent humans. The Elders would not allow this to happen again, so they tried to kill Leo, for simply being an Avatar, the ones they considered as being the ultimate enemy to all mankind and magic world. |
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Post by ljones on Feb 14, 2008 15:45:11 GMT -5
Leo also murdered Gideon, because the latter had killed Chris. Leo wanted revenge. If Leo's actions against Gideon were not evil, then why did the world return to normal? What he did was an act of evil. Leo could have easily waited for someone else to deal with Gideon. Like Barbas, who had witnessed to Leo's act of murder.
Dr. Williamson was not able to handle the Halliwells' powers, because he was not in a good emotional state at the time. The Halliwells cannot handle their powers when they are emotionally in a bad way.
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Post by Hansemand on Feb 14, 2008 21:00:47 GMT -5
Leo also murdered Gideon, because the latter had killed Chris. Leo wanted revenge. If Leo's actions against Gideon were not evil, then why did the world return to normal? What he did was an act of evil. Leo could have easily waited for someone else to deal with Gideon. Like Barbas, who had witnessed to Leo's act of murder. Dr. Williamson was not able to handle the Halliwells' powers, because he was not in a good emotional state at the time. The Halliwells cannot handle their powers when they are emotionally in a bad way. I thought they said he could not handle it because he was an innocent (aka normal human). Just like when Prue received the empath power from the demon in Season 3 (Primrose Empath). Prue nearly lost her mind because she was not meant to have such powers. |
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Post by whitelightertony on Feb 15, 2008 1:33:24 GMT -5
I see two differences in the situations.
First, Dr. Curtis Williamson actually injected himself with the Halliwells' blood. The direct infusion of their genetic material into his body may have had a different biological affect than when Ronny and Denise received Phoebe's and Piper's powers in "Ordinary Witches"...Piper's and Phoebe's essences were simply transplanted into Ronny and Denise, temporarily rendering Piper and Phoebe as powerless mortals and giving Ronny and Denise the paradoxical powers of witches while still not actually becoming witches themselves.
Secondly, Dr. Williamson received all three of the Charmed Ones' powers (if you include Prue's telekinesis and astral projection as one entity) at the same time, giving him a higher concentration of magic and causing him to possess an imitation of the Power of Three all at once. Ronny and Denise, by contrast, only received one Charmed power each.
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