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[whitelightertony]

1. How both Piper and Billie survived that explosion at the end of "Kill Billie Vol 2" without a broken bone

How did the passengers of Oceanic Flight 815 survive a plane crash on Lost?

It's the same answer, and a simple one: they got lucky. They didn't fall as hard as Phoebe, Paige, and Christy. They survived by a fluke.

2. Why the Hollow didn’t go out of Piper and Billie until a being of good and a being of evil said the spell on the Hollow’s box

Perhaps the death of one or more entities that the Hollow possesses (in this case, Phoebe, Paige, and Christy) causes the Hollow to automatically return to its crypt?

3. How Piper and Dumain, both non-cupids, were able to use a cupid’s ring, which is only used to amplify and direct a cupid's power

We had never seen another (non-cupid) creature try to use a cupid ring before...so we had no prior evidence that cupid rings were useless when worn by a non-cupid. That's an assumption you're making.

3. Why we only saw Piper and Leo as old and not Phoebe, Coop, Paige or Henry

Because there wasn't enough time in the episode to show every moment of Phoebe's, Coop's, Paige's, and Henry's futures.

4. Why Old Piper and Old Leo in the future knew what Piper and Leo were going to do, but Wyatt and Chris had no idea and neither did S6 Chris

S6 Chris was from a different timeline altogether. And Christy hadn't been killed yet when Future Wyatt and Future Chris time travel to 2006 in "Forever Charmed"...so the futures depicted at the end of the episode hadn't definitely come to pass yet (for example, although we know that Phoebe and Coop were married in that future timeline, we can't be sure that they had had three daughters yet). Or, Future Wyatt and Future Chris knew, but didn't want to risk telling the past versions of their family that they knew (which is why they also didn't mention Melinda).

5. Why Patty’s idea of 3 generations of Halliwells tapping into The Power of Three worked, when only three sisters descended from Melinda Warren are supposed to be able to tap into The Power of Three

Since Patty and Grams had been brought there by Piper's heart, Piper may have been able to magnify her Charmed power twice over through these past versions of her mother and grandmother.

6. Why Grams didn’t recognize Piper from "That 70’s Episode" when she said a spell to delete it from Little Prue and Little Piper's memory, not from hers and Patty's

We discussed this in another thread: she and Patty could have included a provision in the spell causing them to forget the events of "That 70's Episode" if Destiny allowed it to be so.

7. Why Wyatt ever had his powers in the future, if he’d lost them to the Jenkinses as a toddler

Because when Christy and Billie extracted Wyatt's powers, they changed the past - - prompting Future Wyatt and Future Chris to investigate why Future Wyatt had suddenly and inexplicably lost his powers.

8. Why Henry wasn’t part of the final all-generation hug and why Chris didn't hug Leo

I'm sure Chris hugged Leo right after that scene faded/cut out. And Kern probably didn't include Henry in the scene because they already had twelve people appearing in it.

9. How The Charmed Ones were able to write down what would happen in the future when they hadn’t lived it yet

Those were flashforwards of what happens in their futures, not premonitions. That's why they used voiceovers...to imply that the passages are written by Piper, Phoebe, and Paige gradually over time as they proceed to live out their lives.

10. How Leo, an ex-whitelighter mortal, could possibly handle magical children while trying to teach them

Well, he apparently did it in Season 7. And he probably had magical creatures assisting him (not to mention occasional appearances and "guest lectures" from his wife and sisters-in-law, especially Paige) to keep the magical students in lin

[Esmeralda]

whitelightertony said:

1. How both Piper and Billie survived that explosion at the end of "Kill Billie Vol 2" without a broken bone

How did the passengers of Oceanic Flight 815 survive a plane crash on Lost?

It's the same answer, and a simple one: they got lucky. They didn't fall as hard as Phoebe, Paige, and Christy. They survived by a fluke.

Never watched Lost so I wouldn't know. DIDN"T FALL AS HARD AS THE OTHERS?? Oh, c'mon, surely you can do better than that?? Did you see how high they flew and how hard they must've come down?? No way either could survive such a fall without at least breaking a bone. To only be dirty and bloody was what proved to me that it was just a fantasy.

Perhaps the death of one or more entities that the Hollow possesses (in this case, Phoebe, Paige, and Christy) causes the Hollow to automatically return to its crypt?

Again, you're reaching which shows what bad writing it was.

We had never seen another (non-cupid) creature try to use a cupid ring before...so we had no prior evidence that cupid rings were useless when worn by a non-cupid. That's an assumption you're making.

No, I'm not. I'm basing it on the Cupid (and he *was* Cupid, not "a cupid" said that the ring was used to direct and amplify his powers. It's not the ring that's magical; it's Cupid.

Because there wasn't enough time in the episode to show every moment of Phoebe's, Coop's, Paige's, and Henry's futures.

True, but they could've done what I did and show all three old couples playing Scrabble and have a whole bunch of grandkids come in, not just Piper's. Again, they went on the cheap.

S6 Chris was from a different timeline altogether. And Christy hadn't been killed yet when Future Wyatt and Future Chris time travel to 2006 in "Forever Charmed"...so the futures depicted at the end of the episode hadn't definitely come to pass yet (for example, although we know that Phoebe and Coop were married in that future timeline, we can't be sure that they had had three daughters yet). Or, Future Wyatt and Future Chris knew, but didn't want to risk telling the past versions of their family that they knew (which is why they also didn't mention Melinda).

Reaching, reaching! If that's the case then there's no way Future Leo or Future Piper would know.

Ptty and Grams had been brought there by Piper's heart, Piper may have been able to magnify her Charmed power twice over through these past versions of her mother and grandmother.

QUADRUPLE reaching! I'm not going to continue, because the rest is all the same. The fact that you have to reach THAT hard and THAT far shows how dreadful the writing was, the reason why the only true explanation is that it's truly just Piper's fantasy.

[spiritsas]

Es, WLT: I'd call this one a draw. I would definitely say, using Es' logic (that if you have to give a whole explanation, you're reaching) five of the ten fall into that. I'd also have to say the explanations for the other five were simple enough to go with WLT. By simple enough, I mean the average watcher of Charmed could easily leap to that same conclusion without having to provide much filler.

For example, why can't any magical creature use the ring to amplify their ability to search for people in time. The only drawback is that demons don't generally "love" so using the ring the way Cupid did is a small stretch, for sure.

The timeline issues. Well time loops are tough.

[whitelightertony]

Never watched Lost so I wouldn't know. DIDN"T FALL AS HARD AS THE OTHERS?? Oh, c'mon, surely you can do better than that?? Did you see how high they flew and how hard they must've come down?? No way either could survive such a fall without at least breaking a bone. To only be dirty and bloody was what proved to me that it was just a fantasy.

On Lost, Oceanic Flight 815 is torn apart in midair above the ocean...and 50-70 (out of 300+) passengers survive, most landing in the ocean, but a few landing in the jungle.

Again, you're reaching which shows what bad writing it was.

FC was probably only the second or third time the Hollow had ever been released. And most likely, the first time the Hollow had ever split into five different people. So we don't know what the effects would be, in that scenario.

No, I'm not. I'm basing it on the Cupid (and he *was* Cupid, not "a cupid" said that the ring was used to direct and amplify his powers. It's not the ring that's magical; it's Cupid.

The cupid from S2...how was he supposed to know what would happen if another creature wore his ring? Had any cupids (and yes, there were more than one of them) previously lent out their rings to just anyone, for kicks and giggles?

True, but they could've done what I did and show all three old couples playing Scrabble and have a whole bunch of grandkids come in, not just Piper's. Again, they went on the cheap.

Then this is a quality issue; not a continuity or logic error.

Reaching, reaching! If that's the case then there's no way Future Leo or Future Piper would know.

Not reaching. In the future to which Piper and Leo traveled (meeting their older selves), Wyatt's powers would have already been restored by that point...so all the events of "Forever Charmed" would already have come to pass, and Future Piper and Future Leo would know everything that had happened.

QUADRUPLE reaching!

Again, if you want to debate the continuity of using the Hollow in the plot, I'm more than willing to have that discussion.

I'm not going to continue, because the rest is all the same. The fact that you have to reach THAT hard and THAT far shows how dreadful the writing was, the reason why the only true explanation is that it's truly just Piper's fantasy.

No, you're not going to continue because you probably realize that half of your nitpicks were just silly examples of splitting hairs (because apparently Charmed could never live up to the *greatness* of Season 2, thereafter), and you don't want to embarrass yourself any further.

[~B@MeLiSsA30@B~]

Interesting.

[Esmeralda]

spiritkas said:

Es, WLT: I'd call this one a draw. I would definitely say, using Es' logic (that if you have to give a whole explanation, you're reaching) five of the ten fall into that. I'd also have to say the explanations for the other five were simple enough to go with WLT. By simple enough, I mean the average watcher of Charmed could easily leap to that same conclusion without having to provide much filler.

For example, why can't any magical creature use the ring to amplify their ability to search for people in time. The only drawback is that demons don't generally "love" so using the ring the way Cupid did is a small stretch, for sure.

The timeline issues. Well time loops are tough.

I'll go with you that it's a draw, spiritsas, which is probably the best way to look at it, because then any fan can look at it however they want, and that's truly what's best. But I'll still take my own "Charmed Forever" (or my "Morality STILL Bites" which shows the way *I* would've ended the series, not simply trying to fix all of Kern's errors as I did in "Charmed Forever) over "Forever Charmed" anyday. And all of my readers (and I've had over 300 reviews for this fic at various sites) have felt the same way. In fact, I've had some readers who have seen "Forever Charmed" after reading my "Charmed Forever" and wonder why pieces are missing, and then realize it's because they read it in mine. That's what I truly count as the ultimate compliment from a reader.

Mainly I'm glad that I gave other fans something to think about (besides finding new readers for my fics--me and my shameless promotion! ) That's truly all that I'm ever trying to do.

And for pointing out that it's a draw, you have been blessed!

[seilah]

I wonder if Charmed will have a spin-off called Charmed, The Next Generation. It would be pretty cool, doncha think?

[~B@MeLiSsA30@B~]

I personally wouldn't mind. Even if it isn't as good as Charmed. I've always wanted to know how the kids be grown up. :-)

[spiritsas]

seilah said:

I wonder if Charmed will have a spin-off called Charmed, The Next Generation. It would be pretty cool, doncha think?

This has been discussed on other threads and Kern was trying to do this, which is why Billie was introduce, or at least one of the reasons, but with the demise of the WB (as it became part of the CW) ended that dream. Another idea was the Charmed Sons, which has some appeal, but there was already a show sorta like this on the CW, Supernatural (which has been picked up for another season). It was just too similar to a Charmed Sons show, despite the obvious differences. Studio Execs, no courage or imagination.