GIDEON-ELIMINATE WYATT?

[charmedfan4evr]

So I finished watching S6 last night on my DVD's, and I was left very confused. From watching it originally back in 04, I always thought that Gideon was the one who wanted to turn Wyatt evil...but throughout watching S6 now, and after watching
"It's A Bad Bad Bad Bad World", I now have a few questions.

Was Gideon truly the one who turned Wyatt evil? Why exactly did he want to kill him? Why was it for the greater good? To restore balance? What was his main objective?

I may have been thinking to deeply into things, but for some reason I was left confused.

These may have been answered previously on the board, and I'm sorry if they were...but would somebody be so kind and clear this up for me. Thank you

[marissa08]

Correct me if i'm wrong, but i believe that Gideon knew that Wyatt was destined to become evil so he wanted to kill him so he never could be turned. That's why it was for the greater good. But Gideon actually did more harm than good. He ended up killing anyone who got in his way. Had he left Wyatt alone, the Charmed Ones would have protected him from evil and they would have been spaired a lot of grief.

[charmedfan4evr]

I'm not sure if you're wrong or right, that is why I'm asking the question myself...but from what you said it makes sense, and that is what I thought. That Gideon wanted to eliminate Wyatt, because he knew he was destined to become the greatest and most powerful evil, which would explain "for the greater good". However, this seems to mean that Gideon was not the one who turned Wyatt evil. Who was?

[Hansemand]

Messing with time can make things quit strange.

Leo did mention that it was no wonder that Wyatt became evil, it was due to the constant attacks made by Gideon.

Then again there was that demon who made some magic on Wyatt's teddy bear, which then made him evil over time.

And then theres some mentioning of someone who has success in killing all 3 of the girls in the future, Chris would not tell who or what it is, but Piper would not be alive to see his 13th birthday.

[The Original P3]

charmedfan4evr said:

So I finished watching S6 last night on my DVD's, and I was left very confused. From watching it originally back in 04, I always thought that Gideon was the one who wanted to turn Wyatt evil...but throughout watching S6 now, and after watching
"It's A Bad Bad Bad Bad World", I now have a few questions.

Was Gideon truly the one who turned Wyatt evil? Why exactly did he want to kill him? Why was it for the greater good? To restore balance? What was his main objective?

I may have been thinking to deeply into things, but for some reason I was left confused.

These may have been answered previously on the board, and I'm sorry if they were...but would somebody be so kind and clear this up for me. Thank you

Gideon didn't want to turn Wyatt evil but to eliminate him because he thought he was a great threat to become evil. He even said, "That much power in one being.." he believed that the power would go to Wyatt's head and he would become an unstoppable evil force because he would have been consumed with all the power he was given.

It was for the greater good because he believed he would be sparing the future from an unstoppable power with the potential to use that power for personal gain.

His objective? To eliminate the most powerful creature the magical world had ever known in the chance that he could have become evil.

[~B@MeLiSsA30@B~]

You all have excellent point of views.

[charmedfan4evr]

Thank you all very much for clearing much of it up!

Just one more...How did he exactly become evil?
Because of the constant attacks made by Gideon, constant encounters by demons? How did he become so evil in the future? There seems to be many reasons, are there? Or was there just one trigger?

[pubesy]

losing his mother at the age of 13, leo was never there as he was an elder, constant attacks by demons, having to live up to his "you are the most powerful being out there" reputation,

its a lot to handle for a boy

[The Original P3]

charmedfan4evr said:

Thank you all very much for clearing much of it up!

Just one more...How did he exactly become evil?
Because of the constant attacks made by Gideon, constant encounters by demons? How did he become so evil in the future? There seems to be many reasons, are there? Or was there just one trigger?

It was basically fending off Gideons constant attacks. Gideon was an Elder and supposed to be someone he could trust. Someone his family trusted and that basically crushed all principles that were going to be instilled in him.

[charmedfan4evr]

Thank you, again.

It doesn't make sense that he would completely turn the opposite way. Because of constant Gideon attacks, a trust issue? Wyatt, the most powerful being magic has yet to see, the first born of a Charmed One, turn so evil? I know that everyone has a bit of evil inside of them, but boy did evil tip the scale to his favor.

[Assassin Witch]

Okay, here's my take on things:

I, personally, do not believe that one person set him off. I really don't think it was a person who turned him. I think throughout his life, many events happened to contribute to Wyatt turning on Good.

His mother's death, I'm sure had a MAJOR impact on him. When I actually RP Wyatt, I actually have it where he comes home and finds her dead and tries to heal her, but he can't. So, he blames himself. (But, this is what I use and it hasn't been stated either way, so take it at your own personal mindset.)

And, before that event, you have this Gideon stuff going on, where Gideon feels threatened by a little toddler. Everything that Wyatt has seen has had to really do a number on him.

Plus, his mother is a Charmed One and he is Twice-Blessed, which means many people want to be the ones to defeat them. So, all that drama throughout his up bringing.

About Leo - Chris says that Leo was there for everyone (mom, Wyatt), but him. So, the Leo issue is with Chris. We don't really see it with Wyatt.

Overall, I think with so many things happening, it made Wyatt give up on Good. And since he is so powerful, it just got to his head and he just wanted the power. Not evil, per se, but just wanting power.


From Charmed 6x10: Chris-Crossed

Wyatt: Save me? Huh. From what?

Chris: From whatever evil is was that turned you.

Wyatt: That's always been your problem, Chris. Stuck in the old 'Good verses Evil' morass. I'm so pass that. It's all about power. It's as simple as that.

Chris: And whoever has the most power wins. Is that it?

Wyatt: That's it. That's why I keep this - musuem in tact. To remind everyone the power from which I was born and that which I possess.

[Esmeralda]

I don't think Gideon's betrayal had much to do with Wyatt's turning, because I don't think in the future he or Chris or the sisters or Leo ever knew that it was Gideon who had betrayed him--had they, they would've known that Wyatt was going to turn evil and been able to stop him before they themselves were killed--probably by binding his powers, which I'm sure is what Barbas wanted--then he could take Wyatt's powers the way he took Cole's when Cole's powers were binded. Since this wasn't done, I truly don't think the sisters would've ever known it was Gideon who had done this--Leo and the others would've remained as blind to Gideon's change as the Halliwells were to Cole's change--only a stranger--Paige in Cole's case and Chris in Gideon's--would've figured it out.

I think Wyatt turned because he felt betrayed by Leo as an Elder and not being around at all (just like Chris felt about Leo), so that Vicus (with help from Barbas) was able to use the bear to become a substitute father for Wyatt, and was able to talk Wyatt into turning evil. Hence the need for Chris' death. Only by Chris dying so that Leo in his anger killed Gideon, starting on his downward spiral towards not being an Elder anymore, and therefore around so that Wyatt would trust *him* and not the bear (and Vicus and Barbas--note the sisters never did vanquish Barbas again!) was Wyatt able to stay good.

I used to think it was Chris making himself half-Elder that allowed Wyatt to stay good, but now I'm beginning to like this theory better, especially because we never saw Wyatt evil again once he trusted his father.

[Assassin Witch]

OH! I like that theory, Es!

[whitelightertony]

I, personally, do not believe that one person set him off. I really don't think it was a person who turned him. I think throughout his life, many events happened to contribute to Wyatt turning on Good.

My theory is that, in the original timeline, the Titans were the influence that facilitated a chaotic world, which influenced Wyatt into embracing immorality - - but Gideon probably didn't exist in Future Chris's timeline (at least, the first version of it), because Gideon would have been either killed by the Titans or, at the very least, in hiding from them.

As Future Chris's memories changed (due to him changing events), Gideon suddenly became inserted into the future reality that replaced Chris's old memories. Presumably, Chris never suspected Gideon as a bad influence on Wyatt. This leads me to believe that, in the original timeline, Gideon foresaw the dangerous path Wyatt was headed on...but there was nothing he could do about it, either because Wyatt was too powerful or perhaps because Gideon was killed at some point.

When Chris time-traveled back to 2003, some chain of events must have been set off that spurred the fear and suspicion in present-day Gideon (perhaps it was even Future Chris's testimonial to the present-day Elders), which made Wyatt the focus of Gideon's mission throughout S6. Ironically, by time-traveling and later becoming the Charmed Ones' whitelighter, Chris himself indirectly caused Gideon to be the one who posed the greatest immediate threat to Wyatt.

Just because Gideon targeted Wyatt in the year 2004 doesn't necessarily mean that Future Gideon was the one who targeted Wyatt in the 2010's-2020's (of any future timeline that existed).

[Esmeralda]

So you explain all of Chris' lies by saying that his memories changed as he changed stuff.

Oh

Kay

Fine

[Elder]

I'm beginning to think we need to corner a Charmed writer and them explain the series to us.
What went on in their minds as they were writing these episodes and do they realize how much the fans go bonkers trying to make sense of it.

If they reply with a dazed look on their face, we need to give up--because if they can't understand or explain it...why should we?

[pubesy]

very true!

[Assassin Witch]

elder said:

I'm beginning to think we need to corner a Charmed writer and them explain the series to us.
What went on in their minds as they were writing these episodes and do they realize how much the fans go bonkers trying to make sense of it.

If they reply with a dazed look on their face, we need to give up--because if they can't understand or explain it...why should we?

So, you're saying we should give up trying to analyze Charmed? Because I truly do not believe that the writers had a clue on this. If we'd ask them a question, they wouldn't understand what we're talking about.

[whitelightertony]

So you explain all of Chris' lies by saying that his memories changed as he changed stuff.

Oh

Kay

Fine

It was never really confirmed/specified what Chris was lying about and what he wasn't. All we can do is speculate.

Based on the evidence, some of Chris's claims were more likely to be actual lies than others.