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Post by rebeccamatthews on Sept 18, 2006 21:59:10 GMT -5
vandergraafk, I'm sorry if I hurt you're feelings, just got a litte definisive. And nothing new with the CW.
Like the WB, Supernatural is getting the short end of the stick. If you payed attention to CW commercials with the actors, like a nanosecond flash or either Jensen and Jared or just Jared. And it wasn't till just before the dvd came out did ads for the show start appearing.
I would have liked to have watch the pilot on the network, but insted got a 2 hr deal of Buffy, not that I have anything about Buffy.
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Post by vandergraafk on Sept 19, 2006 13:37:08 GMT -5
Let's put it this way: some fans complain that the demons in Season 8 were rather lame. Well, apparently the Warlock Brotherhood (WB) were taking notes. I suppose one could call Supernatural successful. But, what exactly did the WB do to promote its continued success. Rebecca, you may be on to something. For your sake, I hope the CoW does not do to a show you like - Supernatural - what the WB did to Charmed. Let's hope the actors don't learn from trade publications that they're being cancelled! You know the routine. I know it's not easy to program network television. But, if you're going to be a niche network, then be a niche network and nurture your programs. It's as simple as that. In the final year of the WB, it seemed like they tried the approach where you throw as much CRAP against the TV screen and hope that some of it sticks. Hence, endless promos for Pepper Dennis, etc. Hey, guess what WB: hardly any of it stuck: not Just Legal, not Pepper Dennis, not any of the crap you promoted during Charmed! Did I just vent too much! It's a good thing I am not a witch with PMS!
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spiritsas
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Post by spiritsas on Oct 7, 2006 11:40:20 GMT -5
I know this is an older thread, but to the point. Brian K would certainly have done another season as what else is on his plate? HMC loved the show, and would also have continued on, but she is also about to, if not already, give birth to her second child. (By the way, does anyone have any news on that?). We, the fans, learned she was pregant again towards the end of the last season, making her about 4 months along, give or take, by the shooting of the finale. I think the timing was perfect, especially if she knew the show was done and was looking to take time off to be a Mom. Why not, did she not deserve to do so? As such, it would have been difficult to get the 9th season started without introducing her as pregnant (very much so) again and about to have the little girl we see in the future they often visited. But I digress.
The key here is that none of the three starring women were interested or in the best shape to continue, as much as we wanted them to do so. Maybe TNT or Lifetime (or SciFi) will be able to do a TV movie. It's just so sad to see the show gone forever, the sets torn down, the props appearing all over Ebay, etc.
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Post by vandergraafk on Oct 10, 2006 15:59:10 GMT -5
Well, this may not be the appropriate thread, but I'd like to share the results of my vanquish the CoW spell. Here goes:
A preliminary report finds that the spell has been more effective than imagined. The CoW was compelled to recognize that its Sunday night comedy block was a ratings disaster. Not even a rerun of America's Next Top Model could salvage the situation. So, send the comedy block back to Monday night and call upon 7th Heaven and Runaway to rescue Sunday nights. Give them a bit of a helping hand by moving the rerun of America's Next Top Model to 7 pm. Now I ask you: was Charmed such a bad show that it couldn't achieve above a 3 on Sunday night (except for Forever Charmed) during a very challenging season 8 and deserved the announcement of its cancellation. Hardly! Charmed did as well as could be expected on a difficult night. With a better cast and better scripts, it might have even done better, as in the old days.
Spiritkas's point is well taken. No matter what the CoW decided, it was clear that Alyssa and Rose were not coming back. However, this point can be stretched too much. Why commit yourself to a show which you know the network is disdaining? Why commit to a one-year contract with a concomitant reduction or freeze in salary? Why continue with a show that cavalierly dismissed characters such as Dorian and Brian for budgetary reasons? Sometimes such a situation becomes a self-destroying prophecy!
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Post by vandergraafk on Oct 18, 2006 14:28:29 GMT -5
There's more to the story. Everybody Hates Chris clearly did better on Monday night (3+ ratings). 7th Heaven did okay: 3.17 at 8 pm. Runaway got runover at 9 pm: 1.79. Now, what if Charmed had left Sunday night and been returned to a regular night? Hmmm!
Still, my spell still stands. Let's vanquish the CoW!
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Post by rebeccamatthews on Oct 18, 2006 18:46:43 GMT -5
The CW has cancelled Runaway b/c low ratings. And they've put repeats of SV in it's place. IMO they should have resurected Buffy or something. Or put on repeats of one of the younger show on the network other then the comedies.
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Post by ljones on Oct 19, 2006 15:50:09 GMT -5
I have nothing against Supernatural. Rather, I find it highly ironic that an episode of a non-renewed, non-carried over show, albeit a truly great finale, manages to outrate a show carried over. Really, I could have chosen any other comparison, but 7th Heaven was not aired during that ratings period. I don't recall whether Gilmore Girls was. The point is simply: here's a show that still has a ratings pull. Why was little thought given to a restructured Charmed or a complete spin-off when the new network schedule was created? Their seemed to be a built-in bias against anything Charmed. And, that's what Holly was complaining about when she railed against the WB simply ignoring Charmed. That the WB went out of its way to publicly announced that the show had been cancelled when, in fact, it would have been difficult to renew a show - without major changes - when two of the lead actresses had already expressed a desire to move on! So, if you like Supernatural, great! I hope it enjoys more support from the CoW than Charmed did in its final years. That Supernatural failed during the 9 pm slot may be more indicative not of the failings of that show, but the strong competition it faced: Desperate Housewives. That Charmed fans did not stay with Supernatural (such as me) might need some explaining, but it could be just a matter of taste. I much rather preferred classic Charmed after new Charmed. I would not, however, have shown Witches in Tights - although a great episode - at the conclusion of Forever Charmed. I would have shown Something Wicca This Way Comes. End and beginning. An infinite loop. Charmed lives! I'm getting the oddest feeling that you've worked on CHARMED as a member of the crew. Why not simply accept the fact that it is over for CHARMED? You can still enjoyed the shows on TNT. |
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Post by vandergraafk on Oct 19, 2006 17:09:54 GMT -5
Ljones, there you go again. We finally get agreement on one teensy, weensy issue and then you want me to get over Charmed and accept that it's still being shown on TNT. Well, hardly! I agree with Brian Krause that it could have go on for several more seasons, at least. Did the writing need to be improved? Yes. Did the history need to be respected better? Yes. Should the sisters have been taken to task for missteps and egregious errors? Yes! Should Billie have been sent to re-education camp at Magic School? Yes! Yes! Yes! Maybe Season 9 could have answered a lot of unanswered questions from previous seasons. Hey, maybe Shannen could have come back! My comment is merely that if Charmed was such a burden for the WB, so bad in fact that it had to be CANCELLED (with a NEWS RELEASE on 7 March 2006) then the joke's on Dawn and all the Clueless Warlocks of the CoW. Charmed did as well as could be expected, given the shaky evolution of Season 8 after a disappointing Season 7 (as many long time fans see it). I disagree, but I usually do. The fact that their gamble on comedy was an utter disaster and abandoned after two weeks is testimony indeed that Charmed was not a horse limping towards the finish line. It was still an ongoing enterprise that could have gotten Rose and Alyssa to sign on for a couple of more seasons if the offer had been correct. Holly has said several times that she - and presumably the rest of the crew (of which I unfortunately had no part in) - along with Alyssa and Rose, were treated as leprous stepchildren. Oh sure, promote all of your new shows during Charmed. But, don't do a thing to help Charmed! Treat Charmed as a sacrificial lamb. But, then, what could have been expected of a network that killed Angel in such a bizarre fashion!That's it in a nutshell!
CHARMED FOREVER!!!!
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Post by chrmd4life on Oct 19, 2006 17:18:20 GMT -5
vandergraafk,
that was very well said. if it was dealt with properly (and I don't know how that works in entertainment), the show could have gone on. If either station had made an attempt to save/resurrect CHARMED instead of just cancelling it(as the WB stated), there could have been a future. I mean with a few better written stories life could have been brought back. I'm not a very creative person, but I imagine better writings would have done the job.
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Post by RJF on Oct 19, 2006 17:24:35 GMT -5
The WB has always been a terrible network, marketing-wise. After Charmed's less than stellar ratings in Season 7, it was dropped liked a hot potato where advertising is concerned. I'm one of the people who feel that in retrospect, if they had been given enough notice to write a decent finale, then Charmed should have ended in Season 7 instead of having the train wreck that was Season 8. The point is, the WB never really gave a d**n. Charmed got them half decent ratings on a Sunday, which few shows could do, and those ratings appeared to be stable. It didn't have amazing or crappy ratings, which are the two things that usually warrent advertising.
You'd think since the pilot was the WB's second highest rated pilot ever, they'd give it more respect instead of treating it like the redheaded stepchild of the network. The show should have moved to a different network years ago.
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Post by chrmd4life on Oct 19, 2006 17:26:57 GMT -5
Just curious,
Does any think another network would have picked it up? I know its a cut-throat business. Now, my curiosity is peaked. I wonder if someone like FOX, ABC, etc. would have done it. Any thoughts?
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Post by RJF on Oct 19, 2006 18:10:39 GMT -5
If it was late on in the series (Season 5 onwards probably...) then no one probably would have picked it up, but if it had been after Season 3, then I think CBS may have been a good fit for it. I mean, the Ghost Whisperer gets around 10-11 million viewers per week, and I think Charmed would probably appeal to the same audience.
I think a lot of shows would have got better ratings if they were on different networks. We can kid ourselves all the want, but in the ratings, the WB and UPN never really got a look in compared to other networks, and with the way the WB treated Charmed (Something which the CW is now repeating with Supernatural.), it's no surprise.
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Post by vandergraafk on Oct 20, 2006 15:03:05 GMT -5
Did Buffy benefit by changing networks? I'm not sure the answer is positive. Of course, maybe it changed networks too late. I, for one, am glad that Charmed did not end with Season 7. However flawed the later episodes of Charmed Season 8 might have been, I'd rather see the soap opera continue. Besides, I liked the henpecked hubby that Leo was beginning to endure. The whole Halloween fiasco was really cool! In Vaya Con Leos, I was ensnared by the prospect of Leo as a car restorer. That was cool, especially since it led to some sparks between the banker (Piper) and the enthusiast (Leo). It would have been really nice to see Leo's human side fleshed out more. Instead, Leo is cut for budgetary reasons and we got the ever more dreary Jenkins sisters sucking up more time and space and pushing aside Paige and eventually Henry!
I guess I really don't just understand the immense hostility to Seasons 7 and 8. Could there have been improvements? Certainly! Should the Avatar story have been more carefully crafted and explored? Oh, absolutely! Should Drake have carried on? Why not!
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Post by oldwitch on Oct 23, 2006 18:45:11 GMT -5
I do agree with you Vandergraff that Drake could have continued. After all, Coop was just a replay of the character. I guess I just have too much hostilility about Leo being removed. It would have been nice to see him with Wyatt in the garage tinkering around with the car. My hope was that the Clueless Warlocks would have seen the potential in Chris and Wyatt's characters in the future. Unfortunately, we are left missing our favorites.
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Post by leohallliwell on Oct 24, 2006 0:06:11 GMT -5
It's sad the didn't show the pilot for the first season of Charmed.The WB or now CW should have shown the show some respect and thanks for the success it as bought to the network over the years.Thia was a slap in the face from the network to the Cast of Charmed and it's fans.Charmed has the most dedicated fans out of all the shows on the network and even all of television,and for them not to air the pilot is a shame.The Cw should have aired Charmed on Sunday's instead they add new show's that suck and nobody wants to watch.Charmed carried the WB and CW and they have the such disrespect to cut it completely.They have totally lost the Charmed fan's respect in doing this to us.Charmed had 8 successful season's and they don't even acknowledge that by showing the pilot to all the people who loved it the most.May Charmed live on forever and the love of it's fans keep it alive no matter what the CW says!
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Post by vandergraafk on Oct 25, 2006 17:15:19 GMT -5
Slapping in the face was typical of how Charmed was treated by the network: WB or CoW. Whether it was the Warlock Brotherhood or the Clueless Warlocks, you don't treat an old reliable that way. I'm just glad that Aaron Spelling didn't really have to endure any further abuse!
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Post by vandergraafk on Oct 26, 2006 15:55:14 GMT -5
Latest news: on Friday, 20 October a press release stated that Runaway was the first casualty of the CoW. Apparently, it never took off, not even when placed in the Classic Charmed time spot. For those of you who were fans, I apologize for the seeming gloating. But, did the network really give this show a chance by pitting it against Desperate Housewives. Even NBC had the sense to move Law and Order: CI.
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Post by rebeccamatthews on Oct 26, 2006 22:32:53 GMT -5
Yup, Runaway's gone. 7th Heaven is up for a full season and Supernatural has the worst bit of advertising ever. Nice network the CW.
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Post by vandergraafk on Oct 27, 2006 17:37:02 GMT -5
Well, 7th Heaven is actually doing respectably in a tough slot. Its numbers are a little better than Charmed's were, but down from what 7th Heaven had in a different time slot. The time slot, not the show, is the problem.
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Post by rebeccamatthews on Oct 27, 2006 22:11:57 GMT -5
Yeah, well, Thursday is one of the tough's times, spically the 9 PM time slot in the States. And unlike the US Cananians have 3-4 oppertunities to watch the show.
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