Brody's death

[mysticrose]

Hi everyone I just finished watching season 7 (the only season i hadn't watched yet!) and after the extreme makeover eppy I was left so confused! Is it just me or did the writers really mess up here? They wrote it in a way that the sisters are selfish and really its their fault Brody died! They wanted Utopia (which after they got they realised was not good at all) and Brody, who didn't want it and fought to stop it, died in the process!!!! Yet when Paige is saying goodbye (after he tells her he is a whitelighter) he is like 'well i screwed up there for a bit' and she is like 'yeah bit' (or something to that effect). There were no guilty emotions or showing the sisters regret that Brody died while trying to save them from Utopia or the sisters saying at least once 'hey, if we hadn't decided to take the law into our own hands, or maybe stopped to listen to Brody he might still be alive'.
The writers may have felt that the sisters have a right to choose the fate of our world seeing as how they have to constantly save it but there surley could have been a more humane way to write this eppy???

[pruehalliwellfan]

Many of us don't like Brody and some were happy he was written off the show so quickly. He wasn't a favorite of mine, but I do agree with what you have written! Brody died to try and save the world and the Charmed Ones! They didn't even tell him Thank You or anything! Also the part about the Charmed Ones being selfish that season I don't completely agree they were the whole season. I mean the Utopia episodes and a few of the avatar ones they acted as if they owned the world, yes. I don't know about the whole season though. As you mentioned they do save our world and had for 7 years they do deserve some power,but they should have thought twice before trusting the avatars no matter what Leo said!

[ljones]

I believe that the sisters are quite capable of being selfish. The series has made this clear on many occasions.

Hi everyone I just finished watching season 7 (the only season i hadn't watched yet!) and after the extreme makeover eppy I was left so confused! Is it just me or did the writers really mess up here? They wrote it in a way that the sisters are selfish and really its their fault Brody died! They wanted Utopia (which after they got they realised was not good at all) and Brody, who didn't want it and fought to stop it, died in the process!!!! Yet when Paige is saying goodbye (after he tells her he is a whitelighter) he is like 'well i screwed up there for a bit' and she is like 'yeah bit' (or something to that effect). There were no guilty emotions or showing the sisters regret that Brody died while trying to save them from Utopia or the sisters saying at least once 'hey, if we hadn't decided to take the law into our own hands, or maybe stopped to listen to Brody he might still be alive'.

This is one of the major problems I have with the show. I was a bit disgusted with the writers that they had Brody claim that he had screwed up, when the Charmed Ones were the ones who really screwed up. Very typical of Kern and his writers. They rarely allow the sisters to acknowledge some of their bigger screw-ups. But when it came to minor crap, they are wallowing in remorse.

[whitelightertony]

I think Paige probably knew she and her sisters had acted selfishly, but they still felt their intentions were good, and they made up for it by restoring the world back to normal.

Also, keep in mind that Brody made his own decisions in "Extreme Makeover: World Edition." He made the choice to throw the vanquishing potion at Beta (leading to his own death).

He could have made an alternative choice to save the world that might not have led to his own death...either working more closely with Zankou (assuming Zankou was willing to temporarily cooperate, which he probably would have) or trying to talk sense into Leo (who probably wouldn't have been willing to automatically "eliminate" Brody the way the other Avatars would have).

[xoFeliciaFinleyxo]

Brody wasn't really a favorite to me too either. I'm actually happy that he's not on the show anymore.

[kiriashra]

I also thought the way Brody died and how everyone reacted was a little strange, but I figure the writers had bigger things to focus on.

[ljones]

Jul 9, 2008 12:43:55 GMT -5 @kiriashra said:

I also thought the way Brody died and how everyone reacted was a little strange, but I figure the writers had bigger things to focus on.

Like what? Or whom? The Charmed Ones?

I think Paige probably knew she and her sisters had acted selfishly, but they still felt their intentions were good, and they made up for it by restoring the world back to normal.

The sisters had acknowledged that trying to create a perfect world was the wrong thing and corrected that mistake. What they had failed to acknowledged was that they had committed a bigger crime by helping the Avatars to cast a spell upon the world's population without the latter's consent. It's a big no-no to perform magic on someone without his or her permission. Even worse, they tried to blame the Elders' treatment of Leo on the whole Avatar mess within a few episodes.

[whitelightertony]

The sisters had acknowledged that trying to create a perfect world was the wrong thing and corrected that mistake. What they had failed to acknowledged was that they had committed a bigger crime by helping the Avatars to cast a spell upon the world's population without the latter's consent. It's a big no-no to perform magic on someone without his or her permission.

Casting the spell on the world's population was an inherent part of the mistake they'd acknowledged.

Even worse, they tried to blame the Elders' treatment of Leo on the whole Avatar mess within a few episodes.

How did they do this?

[ljones]

Casting the spell on the world's population was an inherent part of the mistake they'd acknowledged.

Huh?

[whitelightertony]

Huh?

By virtue of allying with the Avatars, the Charmed Ones helped them cast the Extreme Makeover brainwashing spell.

Since they acknowledged they made a mistake by joining with the Avatars, the mass spell was a part of that acknowledgment.

[ljones]

Jul 11, 2008 17:31:29 GMT -5 whitelightertony said:

Huh?

By virtue of allying with the Avatars, the Charmed Ones helped them cast the Extreme Makeover brainwashing spell.

Since they acknowledged they made a mistake by joining with the Avatars, the mass spell was a part of that acknowledgment.

Did they say that?

[whitelightertony]

Did they say that?

Not explicitly...but they realized the Avatars had a darker motive and basically used them. If they hadn't trusted the Avatars, they wouldn't have cast the spell.

Therefore, regret over casting the spell was an implicit part of their regret over having trusted the Avatars.

[ljones]

Not explicitly...but they realized the Avatars had a darker motive and basically used them.

I don't think that the Avatars' motives were dark. But their plan was extremely misguided and it created a lot of evil in the end - namely the deaths of those humans who were not affected by the spell, and the near extermination of the demons by the Charmed Ones.


And what made the whole scenario even disturbing was that the Halliwells - at least Paige and Piper - were suspicious of the Avatars. But they had allowed their own selfish desires and misguided belief in the Avatars' plans to lead them on the wrong path.

But if the Charmed Ones had never openly acknowledged using that spell on humans without their consent was wrong, this only tells me that this particular lesson was never learned by them.

[whitelightertony]

I don't think that the Avatars' motives were dark. But their plan was extremely misguided and it created a lot of evil in the end - namely the deaths of those humans who were not affected by the spell, and the near extermination of the demons by the Charmed Ones.

And what made the whole scenario even disturbing was that the Halliwells - at least Paige and Piper - were suspicious of the Avatars. But they had allowed their own selfish desires and misguided belief in the Avatars' plans to lead them on the wrong path.

But if the Charmed Ones had never openly acknowledged using that spell on humans without their consent was wrong, this only tells me that this particular lesson was never learned by them.

When I said "dark" motives, I believe that the Avatars had every intention of discarding any use for the Charmed Ones -- once Utopia was established.

The Charmed Ones probably recognized this, once they came to their senses, which was why they were willing to play hardball with the Avatars.

[ljones]

Jul 14, 2008 23:26:27 GMT -5 whitelightertony said:

I don't think that the Avatars' motives were dark. But their plan was extremely misguided and it created a lot of evil in the end - namely the deaths of those humans who were not affected by the spell, and the near extermination of the demons by the Charmed Ones.

And what made the whole scenario even disturbing was that the Halliwells - at least Paige and Piper - were suspicious of the Avatars. But they had allowed their own selfish desires and misguided belief in the Avatars' plans to lead them on the wrong path.

But if the Charmed Ones had never openly acknowledged using that spell on humans without their consent was wrong, this only tells me that this particular lesson was never learned by them.

When I said "dark" motives, I believe that the Avatars had every intention of discarding any use for the Charmed Ones -- once Utopia was established.

The Charmed Ones probably recognized this, once they came to their senses, which was why they were willing to play hardball with the Avatars.

Discarding them how? I do remember them placing the Charmed Ones under the same spell. Was this established in the series that the Avatars planned to discard the sisters?

[whitelightertony]

Discarding them how? I do remember them placing the Charmed Ones under the same spell. Was this established in the series that the Avatars planned to discard the sisters?

No, because the sisters realized the Avatars' true motives and teamed up with Zankou before the Avatars could stop them.

I believe that, had any of the Charmed Ones individually recognized what was wrong with Utopia (barring Leo's interference), then the Avatars simply would have "eliminated" the Halliwells from existence within Utopia, as well.

The Avatars would have already gotten what they wanted (Utopia), so what further use would they have had for the Charmed Ones if the Power of Three began making trouble for them?

[ljones]

No, because the sisters realized the Avatars' true motives and teamed up with Zankou before the Avatars could stop them.

I believe that, had any of the Charmed Ones individually recognized what was wrong with Utopia (barring Leo's interference), then the Avatars simply would have "eliminated" the Halliwells from existence within Utopia, as well.

This doesn't sound like the Avatars were planning to discard the Halliwells from the get go. This sounds like they were willing to do so, if the sisters ever upset their plans . . . like they did Leo.

[whitelightertony]

This doesn't sound like the Avatars were planning to discard the Halliwells from the get go. This sounds like they were willing to do so, if the sisters ever upset their plans . . . like they did Leo.

Yes...but obviously, Leo came to his senses before the sisters did. And Leo sacrificed himself to reverse Utopia.

[xoFeliciaFinleyxo]

That's absolutely correct.

[ljones]

Jul 20, 2008 5:27:30 GMT -5 whitelightertony said:

This doesn't sound like the Avatars were planning to discard the Halliwells from the get go. This sounds like they were willing to do so, if the sisters ever upset their plans . . . like they did Leo.

Yes...but obviously, Leo came to his senses before the sisters did. And Leo sacrificed himself to reverse Utopia.

This doesn't prove that the sisters managed to acknowledge that helping the Avatars to cast that spell over other humans without their consent was wrong. Or that the sisters had ever learned that lesson.