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Post by badgideon on Feb 4, 2009 15:30:20 GMT -5
Boy,I must have been watching a completely different show. Oh well to each his or her own. Put then I don't count Forever Charmed a delusion. I see it as a written eppy like all the rest of the written eppy's. Maybe that's why I don't feel sorry for poor neighbor Dan.
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Post by whitelightertony on Feb 14, 2009 11:17:30 GMT -5
It's part of Esmeralda's personal delusion, since she never got to be showrunner of Charmed and do things her way.
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Post by Esmeralda on Feb 14, 2009 21:37:20 GMT -5
Hmm, Tony, I see you're describing yourself again.  I'm just realistic. I've never seen a more unrealistic, inconsistent, unbelievable, barfy series finale in my whole life. NO WAY that can be real! And since it's all about Piper who could NOT have survived that explosion if her sisters don't, ESPECIALLY without a single serious injury, and then she gets Leo back only to lose him again, it must be HER delusion as she dies. That's all. |
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Post by badgideon on Feb 15, 2009 14:30:09 GMT -5
All righty, why don't you tell us how you really feel. Don't hold back now. Guess your not a Piper/Leo fan.
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Post by ljones on Feb 16, 2009 15:39:45 GMT -5
So I guess Piper hadn't treated Leo shabbily, when he came back to find her with Dan. After he had left and returned in the eppy Old Black Magic. She had never explained to Leo about neighbor Danny either. I don't think they had accutely broken up offically yet. And there were many more times that Dan had given Leo smug looks behind Piper's back. Dan was just there to make Piper realize she loved Leo. That tells you a lot about Piper . . . doesn't it? And I just watched Season 2. I don't recall Dan giving Leo more smug looks than the latter. I do recall many annoyed and curious looks, but nothing that bordered on smugness. But once Piper had chosen Leo, the latter struck me as ridiculously smug. But what I cannot forgive was the fact that Piper's relationship with Dan had been nothing more than a series of lies on her part. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Feb 16, 2009 17:14:54 GMT -5
All righty, why don't you tell us how you really feel. Don't hold back now. Guess your not a Piper/Leo fan. Actually I am. If I wasn't a Piper-Leo fan, I never would've asked "Slayer I Am" to make my beatiful avatar for me during S5--and I've never changed it. Leo and Piper were my favorite couple on Charmed from the moment they met until Chris came back and screwed up his parents (along with his aunts). After that, they're my least-favorite. If Leo had had ANY balls, he should've walked out on Piper long before he was frozen for the horrible way she emasculated him by turning him into her own little errand boy. If I hadn't loved them so much as a couple at the beginning, I wouldn't be as disgusted with how they turned out. For that, I'll *never* forgive Brad Kern. That's how I really feel. |
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Post by roseyc2 on Feb 16, 2009 19:46:41 GMT -5
What do you think that bringing the Chris/Wyatt story ruined the show?
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Post by Esmeralda on Feb 17, 2009 13:59:05 GMT -5
LOL, this is getting a bit off-topic from Dan, but since you asked, here ya go.
I think that bringing in the Chris/Wyatt storyline ruined the show due to the changes made in the main characters, the Charmed Ones and Leo.
Thanks to Chris' (and Kern's) obvious belief that ends justify the means, Chris taught his family to feel the same way besides getting them to stop worrying about innocents and just concentrate on their family--they became self-centered b!tches from then until the end of the show--and as proven in "Imaginary Fiends", Chris didn't really save Wyatt--Wyatt was still just as prone to becoming evil, thanks to the fact that like Phoebe, he was born in the Manor, which is situated on top of The Nexus [which the sisters did NOT destroy--they destroyed the Woogyman, not The Nexus itself--the Nexus is not a *THING* that can be destroyed, it's a point of increible energy equidistant from the five spiritual elements. The only way that you can destroy the Nexus is either destroy the San Francisco Bay (water), Twin Peaks (earth), the natural hot springs (fire), the stream where they panned for gold (metal) or Kenwood Park (wood)] so Chris did all that for nothing, as far as the show was concerned, which I thought was hilarious!
By the end of S7, I was certain there was no doubt the Wyatt in *this* world was going to hate his mother, coz *she wasn't* around for him thanks to Big Chris making them concentrate on themselves rather than innocents, like they're supposed to! Let's just worry about ourselves and our own desires to live a normal life (he learned how to whine from his mother!) and not others!
Was there anything more stomach-turning than the S7 finale??? Thinking that that was how Kern was planning on ending the series had the show not been renewed for an eighth season is just about the most disgusting thing I've ever heard of! Let's just walk off and have fun living our own life (Piper's normal life!) and who cares that poor Victor is going to have to try to raise two magical kids! I was certain that thanks to Big Chris making his mother and aunts totally self-centered, just like him, that it would be BIG CHRIS who made our sweetie Baby Wyatt turn evil, not Gideon!
Obviously S8 showed that I was wrong, and I was glad, but since Chris came into their lives, the sisters became the ones that I show in my signature, the ones I hate as compared to the ones in my avatar, the sisters I love--Piper constantly whined and felt sorry for herself, Phoebe was more PhoeME/Freebie than ever and Paige was a dummy until S8, the only one who redeemed herself in my eyes! The other worse part of S6 was Phoebe going on that visionquest, where from then on, finding the father of her child (to hell with love!) is all that she was interested in. And I actually liked that part at that time.
People say that what Chris did was OK coz he saved the world. But did he? But did he?! What did he really change for the good? Wyatt was still almost turned to evil in S7, so Chris obviously did not prevent him from turning evil simply by saving him from Barbas or Gideon, and obviously he didn't save Wyatt's life the first time around, since Wyatt *was* alive during ChrisCrossed. By vanquishing his father to Valhalla, Leo learned how to hate and how to murder, something we never saw in our gentle Whitelighter before. By turning Leo into an Elder, that's when Leo murdered and became an Avatar and *almost* caused the end of the world as we know it, none of which would've happened had Chris kept his skinny a$$ in the future where it belonged, or at least come back, write what was going to happen in the Book of Shadows, leave the Book on that page so that the ones who COULD and SHOULD change the future--The Charmed Ones--would see it, and then get his ultra-skinny a$$ back to the future where it belonged! But, oh, no, he had to be the big savior and do it all himself, despite the fact that he screwed up the life of every single person he ran into for more than an entire year!
How many countless innocents were *not* saved because the Charmed Ones were now more interested in themselves and their family and their normal life rather than protecting the innocent, a job they agreed to continue to do when they took the Angel of Destiny up on his offer at the end of Season 4?
Also, as I pointed out earlier, the other thing that Chris taught them was that ends justify the means. Whatever happened to "Wrong things done for the right reasons are still wrong!" (Phoebe in "Morality Bites")? Since they learned from Chris that ends justify the means, they did more and more stuff for personal gain (Phoebe wanting to switch powers just so Piper could have a premonition of the Avatar's future being chief among them, with Piper turning the reporters into rats because they were bugging her very close behind). I still believe that thanks to the path that Chris put the sisters on, that now, February 2009, the Witch Trials have started and BOTH Piper and Phoebe are burning on the pyre, and it's Chris' journey to the past that put them there! GOOD RIDDANCE TO BOTH OF THEM! NEITHER DESERVE TO REMAIN CHARMED! BURN, PIPER, BURN! BURN, PHOEBE, BURN!
I read somewhere that during S6, Kern wanted to show Piper as a single mom, trying to raise a magical kid. Had he done that, as probably would've happened if Brian Krause hadn't signed his new contract, as he almost didn't (DON'T I WISH??) I would've enjoyed the show. But Wyatt never did much magic after the first couple shows and Piper dating so soon after Leo left (and being pushed into it by her sisters!) was totally disgusting and showed no respect for the man she professed to love so much. Not that I blamed her--thanks to Chris, that wasn't the Leo she and I love.
I truly wish that when Chris exploded Leo's atoms to smithereens at the end of "Oh, My Goddess!" that that's the last we would've seen of Leo, so I could remember my angel as he was, not the whimpy mortal Kern turned him into. And I would've *LOVED* watching Chris try to explain THAT! hehehehehe!
In Season 6, Phoebe became a combination of Freebie/PhoeME, disgusting. Paige became a totally dumb clutzy Valley Girl--just as disgusting. Piper became as whiney as her son--throwing a baby tantrum during "Oh, My Goddess!" which practically destroyed a city, just because she couldn't get her own way. Most disgusting of all! My reaction towards all three of them was EITHER GROW UP AND ACT LIKE ADULTS RATHER THAN THREE-YEAR OLDS OR GIVE UP YOUR POWERS RIGHT NOW! There was no longer a Charmed One to like or admire, and there wasn't until Paige redeemed herself in S8, and then only because the Elders turned her into something she shouldn't have been until after she was dead--a whitelighter.
And Leo in S6 was totally disgusting, looking fat and ugly and was nothing like the angel I love and still miss. The Elders were more demonic than the demons!
No wonder Kern tried to make Chris be the hero. Too bad just being cute and being a member of the family didn't cut it--instead he was the true Big Bad of the series--even if the family was stupid and dense enough to think he was a hero!
After Chris showed up, the sisters stopped being potential whitelighters, like their oldest sister, and were on the path to becoming potential darklighters. That's why I hate the Chris storyline. It started in S5 when suddenly Wyatt became the Twice-Blessed Child, even more powerful than his parents or The Power of Three, and came to a climax during S6 when Chris showed up. It's why I count "Witch Way Now?" as the true end of "Charmed" and S5 as the first season of "Charmed"'s spinoff "The Perils of Piper", a show I abhor as much as I love "Charmed," one of my favorite shows ever!
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Post by whitelightertony on Mar 8, 2009 3:15:06 GMT -5
Hmmm, well I'm not the one who dismisses entire episodes based on a personal grudge against the show's Executive Producer. Clearly, you never saw the Melrose Place series finale. Well, this is a series that has demons, mind-altering spells, orbing, time manipulation...yeah, Piper surviving an explosion is the hardest thing to swallow about Charmed.  |
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Post by beautifulfighter on Jan 28, 2018 13:10:29 GMT -5
I didn't care for "neighbor Dan" to begin with. That whole Piper-Leo-Dan love triangle got annoying really quick.
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Post by Esmeralda on Jan 28, 2018 14:04:21 GMT -5
I didn't care for "neighbor Dan" to begin with. That whole Piper-Leo-Dan love triangle got annoying really quick. I'll agree with that, even if I agree that although Leo made the best lover for Piper, Dan would've made her a better husband because he could help her have a semi-normal life when she was home. |
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Post by fallingsnow6136 on Feb 29, 2020 20:22:53 GMT -5
Es, while I don't agree with your opinions about Chris because I thought he was amazing as Piper and Leo's son and he died trying to protect Wyatt which I loved, I do think Dan would have made a good husband for Piper - not because I don't like Piper/Leo but I do feel Leo's feelings for Piper got in the way of his work and I would have liked Leo to clip his wings cause how cool would it be if Chris just had telekinisis and Wyatt could freeze time?
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Post by imdb lives on on Jun 9, 2020 11:49:09 GMT -5
Es, while I don't agree with your opinions about Chris because I thought he was amazing as Piper and Leo's son and he died trying to protect Wyatt which I loved, I do think Dan would have made a good husband for Piper - not because I don't like Piper/Leo but I do feel Leo's feelings for Piper got in the way of his work and I would have liked Leo to clip his wings cause how cool would it be if Chris just had telekinisis and Wyatt could freeze time? That would honestly be better than super boy. Wyatt didn't need all those powers and Excalibur. I think Dan should be suspicious especially when he couldn't find anything on Leo. Piper should've told him the truth sooner. His past life could accept magic |
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Post by Aaeiyn on Aug 22, 2021 15:18:57 GMT -5
I understand Dan's perspective (despite not liking him). At the same time, his arc was WAY overused, and my sympathy for him turned into annoyance. Unlike Sheridan, he's not looking for closure of innocent lives lost. He's completely self-absorbed and too "in the box", for my liking. He was the biggest "waste of time", I've ever endured, and it sucks that I can't properly appreciate the beauty that is S2 because of him. He irks me, so.
EDIT: Not to mention, I didn't feel his chemistry, at all, with Piper. I felt it more with Phoebe, and they weren't even meant to be an item! So, it was obvious, he was there as a means to end and a waste of time not worth the boring hurdles that didn't go anywhere.
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