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Post by Elder on Oct 12, 2008 13:36:19 GMT -5
Why o why was Dan overly insecure about Leo hanging around Piper?
Couldn't he just accept that Piper and Leo may have been an item and leave it at that?
(Maybe he did and I forgot about it...)
If you liked somebody and saw that another person was with them, you would just ask if they were together and if they were then fine. Leave it at that and go hit on somebody else (In Dan's case, it probably was the lady that lived on the other side of his house. You don't want to travel too far for some action)
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Post by CharmedFaith on Oct 12, 2008 14:06:30 GMT -5
Dan had every right to be somewhat insecure about the amount of time Piper spent with Leo. She had a major relationship with him and Dan could see Piper was more comfortable around Leo and he was constantly around so whose to say that Piper wouldnt realize that she still had feelings for him and leave Dan behind? Atleast Dan didnt give Piper an ultimatim.
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Post by whitelightertony on Oct 16, 2008 12:07:49 GMT -5
He was afraid Leo would steal Piper away from him.
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Post by foxfire on Oct 29, 2008 9:40:21 GMT -5
It's a guy thing. Men are afraid of other men coming in and "stealing their woman". It's all very barbaric in the sense that for some reason a lot of men (straight men mostly) still hold this Ancient Greek belief that women are their belongings and that they have no free will of their own.
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Post by jate88 on Oct 29, 2008 9:45:00 GMT -5
A girls heart and body are theirs to give away to whoever they want to. I want just them to be nice to me and treat me like a normal human being. Even if they don't I would never accept their heart or body as punishment or as payment.
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Post by whitelightertony on Nov 1, 2008 3:12:37 GMT -5
That's why so many straight men aren't threatened by gay men...because they don't have the extra competition for women. The exception would be the straight men who are insecure about the idea of gay guys checking out their bodies.
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Post by Ebdim9th on Nov 18, 2008 13:55:26 GMT -5
In the end Piper did walk away from Dan for a commitment to Leo, so some kind of abandonment or rejection fear on his part must have been justified after all.... sometimes a cleft-chin and a square jaw just arent enough.
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Post by Esmeralda on Nov 19, 2008 16:38:42 GMT -5
It was Piper calling out for Leo after he saved her after she died in Awakening. Hey, if my boyfriend did that, especially with a girl who quite literally had no past, I'd be awful suspicious of the other girl, too. I didn't blame Dan for feeling that way one single bit.
It all came down to Piper not being honest with him. She was always putting him off and whatever it was, Leo was always allowed to stick around and Dan wasn't. Again, if my boyfriend did that to me, I'd also be awful suspicious and awful insecure.
If before she died, she had explained that she was a witch and Leo was her whitelighter and if Dan had been able to accept it (doesn't anyone else think that Henry accepted the whole witch thing a bit too quickly and a bit too easily???), then when Piper explained to him that her whitelighter had saved her, the reason she had called his name, I don't think Dan would've been as upset.
Put aside your feelings for Leo/Piper and put yourself in Dan's shoes and if you're honest with yourself, I'll bet that most of you would've felt/done the same thing.
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Post by lisamarie8 on Jan 27, 2009 12:33:31 GMT -5
Dan had every right to be insecure about Leo. I think he always knew that Piper's heart was never completely his. He could feel it. We all knew that her heart was really with Leo all along. Dan was a way for Piper to try to get over Leo and have somewhat of a normal life, but she knew that wasn't really possible. Don't get me wrong, Piper tried to love Dan but it just was that she loved Leo more. I feel bad for Dan because he was a great guy, but magic would have never worked in a life with him. It ended up how it should have, I feel. "Blessed Be"
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Post by Elder on Jan 27, 2009 14:11:53 GMT -5
Just for the heck of it...
What would happen if Dan was first and then Leo showed up later? Touch choice there for the Piper-rama!
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Post by Esmeralda on Jan 27, 2009 19:30:37 GMT -5
Again, it would all have depended upon whether Piper had been honest with Dan over what she was and who Leo was. If she was, I don't think he would've been that insecure. If she hadn't, then he would, and just like in S2, he would've been the one to drive her into Leo's arms. No girl likes an overly-possessive guy, just like no guy likes an overly-possive girl.
And knowing the way Piper loved to pretend that she had a "normal" life, my guess is she would NOT have told Dan the family secret unless something happened to force her to.
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Post by Elder on Jan 27, 2009 20:57:06 GMT -5
it would all have depended upon whether Piper had been honest with Dan over what she was and who Leo was. But what if she doesn't know what Leo was all about. Leo doesn't tell Piper anything about himself so to her he's just a regular guy like Danny. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Jan 27, 2009 21:42:08 GMT -5
it would all have depended upon whether Piper had been honest with Dan over what she was and who Leo was. But what if she doesn't know what Leo was all about. Leo doesn't tell Piper anything about himself so to her he's just a regular guy like Danny. Oh, you mean like what happened during S1 before "Love Hurts"? Whoa! Now *that's* something to think about.... Funny, I still think it depends upon whether she's been truthful with Danny boy or not. |
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Post by ljones on Jan 28, 2009 0:33:50 GMT -5
When I had recently watched the Season 2 finale, "Be Careful of What You Witch For", it occurred to me that Piper had treated Dan rather shabbily. One, she used him after her breakup with Leo as rebound. She wanted a "normal" guy in her life and she used Dan to achieve this. Two, after their relationship began to be more serious, she failed to tell Dan the truth about herself . . . until after she had broken up with him, and he found himself affected by the wish granted to her by the genie.
Piper treated Dan shabbily. And my sympathy for him deepened when Leo had this smug look on his face after Piper dismissed Dan's revelation about the whitelighter's first wife.
You know what? I'm too angry to continue this post.
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Post by badgideon on Feb 1, 2009 13:57:51 GMT -5
So I guess Piper hadn't treated Leo shabbily, when he came back to find her with Dan. After he had left and returned in the eppy Old Black Magic. She had never explained to Leo about neighbor Danny either. I don't think they had accutely broken up offically yet. And there were many more times that Dan had given Leo smug looks behind Piper's back. Dan was just there to make Piper realize she loved Leo.
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Post by ~Andrew~ on Feb 1, 2009 20:41:11 GMT -5
It's a guy thing. Men are afraid of other men coming in and "stealing their woman". It's all very barbaric in the sense that for some reason a lot of men (straight men mostly) still hold this Ancient Greek belief that women are their belongings and that they have no free will of their own. I'm sorry but I don't think this has anything to do with what Dan was feeling. I don't think Dan EVER considered piper his "property". And also, you can't state that all men consider women their property. This is not true. Dan had every right to be insecure about Leo's closeness to Piper. He did not know that Leo was a whitelighter to the sisters and it was his "job" to be around them and protect them. And even if he did, that would be a bigger problem of it's own. We all know Dan isn't too crazy about magic. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Feb 1, 2009 22:54:07 GMT -5
Dan had every right to be insecure about Leo's closeness to Piper. He did not know that Leo was a whitelighter to the sisters and it was his "job" to be around them and protect them. And even if he did, that would be a bigger problem of it's own. We all know Dan isn't too crazy about magic. Only because he found out about magic in the most horrible of ways. Had Piper been honest with him, had she shown him the good that magic can do, like Paige did with Henry, had she just not seen him as a way to have a normal life, he may have accepted it as easily as Henry did. But as Piper pointed out, she always knew who really had her heart--she even told Leo that "I'm with Dan now"; she didn't say that she loved him. How could Dan not have sensed that? It was Piper's using him that made him so insecure--she gave him no reason to feel otherwise. |
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Post by ljones on Feb 2, 2009 11:00:27 GMT -5
I don't recall any smug looks by Dan. I do recall Dan expressing curiosity and later, annoyance and anger by Leo's continuing appearances.
And as I recall, Leo made it clear in the late Season 1 episode, "Love Hurts" that he and Piper could not have a relationship.
Sorry, but most of my sympathy is with Dan.
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Post by badgideon on Feb 2, 2009 13:38:38 GMT -5
I think I recall smug looks in Animal Pragmatism, when Dan comes to P3 and catches Piper and Leo talking at the bar. Check out the look Dan gives Leo when he's hugging Piper. Also I believe there's some in Pardon my Past. I think Dan always knew deep in his heart that he and Piper were never going to last. And I've always thought his down fall came, when he told Piper about his brother-in-law's investigating Leo. It made him seem like he had to make Leo look bad, so he could look good to Piper.
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Post by Esmeralda on Feb 2, 2009 14:12:35 GMT -5
Something else he would not have done had Piper been honest with him.
And, of course, he would give Leo those looks--after feeling so insecure, Piper is with *him*, not Leo, someone who he truly thought was trying to fleece Piper.
I'm with ljones--much as I love Leo, all of my sympathies are with Dan for being horribly used by Piper, something that all of The Charmed Ones did very, very *very* well, in both Connie's seasons and in Kern's. They used people so well, it's hard to believe that they ever honestly knew how to truly love.
But thinking of the examples they had (Grams and all of her marriages, Victor's desertion, Patty's affair with her whitelighter, especially if it was done while she was still with Victor), that's not surprising at all.
Of course, the exception to the rule is the only one who really found love (I don't count Piper and Leo, since I count Forever Charmed as Piper's delusion as she dies after the explosion at the end of Kill Billie Vol 2--the way she used her little errand boy, had she lived, they wouldn't have lasted), Paige. She was fortunate to have been raised by two who obviously did love each other--and her.
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