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Post by ghostrider on Sept 21, 2009 12:47:44 GMT -5
Posted by dylan345 on 9/18/09 at 4:53pm
Glad you and Es liked it. Of course Paige would be looking to the sisters for guidance in the witch department, as she was new to the field, but she should not have been denied her smarts and expertise in other departments.
And the part about her rising to full social worker...well, an interesting thought occurred to me. Do any of you remember the show "Judging Amy"....I just loved Tyne Daly in that. She to me was the voice of reason...she had a magic of the most mortal kind....widsom, knowledge and understanding. She spent very little of her day in a cubical pushing papers around. No, that lady was out in the field kicking down doors to save a child. A few times she came close to getting killed. Now Paige would of had some interesting tricks up her sleeve dealing with those kind of problems. Would have held my attention.
Posted by foxfire on 9/19/09 at 6:04pm
I never took Phoebe's job seriously. In fact it is one of the reasons I rather liked the idea of it in the beginning, as I tend to enjoy the theater of the absurd. Of all the sisters, if I grew up with them and knew all about them on a personal level....Phoebe is the one I would have partied with...not gone to for advice, for the most part.
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Post by dylan345 on Sept 21, 2009 14:44:50 GMT -5
"It just feels like you're all treating Phoebe like she needs to stay 22-years-old. She grew up... do you expect a woman in her 30s to be prancing around without a serious job?" -Foxfire
Some women go their whole lives without a serious job. Say for instance that she did have a job that wasn't super professional. It doesn't mean she wouldn't take it seriously. To me, there was more to Phoebe than following the crowd and becoming a professional at what she does for a living. After she got her job at the paper, a lot about her changed. We lost the fun aspect of her that I enjoyed watching so much. She could have still kept that and "grown up" at the same time, but she didn't, and I think it's largely due to her job.
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Post by Piper Sorelli Halliwellღ on Sept 21, 2009 17:03:48 GMT -5
I agree with what dylan345 said...
Just because she matured and got a job doesn't mean that her whole personality had to change it wasn't neccesary. Of course she had to grow up and get a job, they didn't just change her occupation but they changed everything. In my opinion they should of just balanced it out instead of changing the Phoebe we knew and loved.
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Post by sookie on Sept 22, 2009 10:13:24 GMT -5
Phoebe was more fun before her career.
I remember an episode where she went to confront Cole and said "My Career is everything to me and now your trying to take that away!"
...I remember thinking that being a Charmed one should be what meant "everything" to her.
Anyone can have a career but being a Charmed one is a way bigger deal.
She was more fun and spontaneous and "out there" before her column.
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Post by dylan345 on Sept 23, 2009 12:47:47 GMT -5
I know! Shouldn't she have said, like you suggested, being a Charmed one was most important, or that her family was the most important thing to her? She was just so different after starting at the paper.
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Post by ljones on Sept 23, 2009 14:40:18 GMT -5
I really cannot accept the idea that Phoebe should not have aquired a serious career, because it made her personality less fun. That doesn't make any sense to me.
I have never viewed Phoebe's career as the main reason for the decline of her character. I think Phoebe's inability to maintain a serious relationship, let alone face the fact that an "ideal" romance does not exist contributed to the decline of her character. The only good thing she did during Seasons 4-8 was acquire a permanent job and maintain it.
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Post by dylan345 on Sept 24, 2009 12:32:22 GMT -5
What you mentioned about Phoebe's love life certainly was a big part of why I stopped enjoying her character. But in the beginning, it was Phoebe who was the voice of all the people who don't fit into neat little boxes like her sisters did. And sure, she can have the world's most serious and professional career and still be unique in that way, but she just wasn't. She turned into a person more like her sisters and less like herself. It's like she became this big-time career person all of the sudden, and that took away from the uniqueness of her we all got to know first.
And then there's also what sookie mentioned, when Phoebe told Cole that her career was the most important thing to her. If that really is the most important thing to someone, that of course isn't a bad thing. But that wasn't the Phoebe we got to know. The Phoebe we knew, and the Phoebe she should have progressed to be, would have said that her career simply meant a lot to her, or that her family was the most important thing. It was like her career took over her life.
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Post by dylan345 on Sept 24, 2009 12:34:14 GMT -5
So in some ways, it's less about her career and more about the way she responded to and adapted to a life with it. But I still believe putting her into such a professional position did not fit the character of Phoebe, grown up or no.
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Post by marienomad on Sept 26, 2009 1:29:28 GMT -5
To show how much Phoebe loves her career, when she accidentally caused a fight because of her empathy powers. Rather than try to deal with the consequences, she begged the cleaners to make her coworkers forget what happened.
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Post by ljones on Sept 26, 2009 1:49:56 GMT -5
So . . . the only way for Phoebe to grow as a character was to spend her life as unemployed?  |
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Post by ghostrider on Sept 26, 2009 2:03:30 GMT -5
Posted by marienomad on Today at 2:29am
That's interesting, I had forgotten about that. So this tells us what? Humm....Phoebe gets/falls into a plum job, and if I remember correctly, the very first real employment she had ever experienced. It started out cute and progressed into a mess. Considering who they were, I would have thought something a little more low-key a better route. Making Phoebe a bigger than life celebrity put her too much in the public eye. Not, in my opinion, a good move. As marienomad pointed out, in the end she couldn't handle it. And in a way that made sense. She really didn't have the capabilities to deal with the situation. Now if Prue had found herself in the same position what would she have done? I am not putting Phoebe down...or judging her on the age thing...just commenting on her lack of experience.
By the way, just what did Phoebe major in when she was in college. I don't recall anything specific. Did she have a goal? If not then maybe the problem started back there. I think it would have been a riot if she was in education and had to be a student teacher with say a gaggle of 6 year olds. I'm still laughing!!
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Post by dylan345 on Sept 26, 2009 11:25:37 GMT -5
Ljones: No, one of the ways for her to grow as a character was to not put her into such a professional position. That type of work environment was fitting with her sisters, but why does she also have to fit into it?
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Post by Reality Bites on Sept 27, 2009 12:20:07 GMT -5
By the way, just what did Phoebe major in when she was in college. I don't recall anything specific. Did she have a goal? If not then maybe the problem started back there. I think it would have been a riot if she was in education and had to be a student teacher with say a gaggle of 6 year olds. I'm still laughing!! She majored in psychology, that's what she received her degree for in college. It helped her land the job as an advice columnist, because she has experience in the field of psychology. I think the writers would have been better off having Phoebe use her psychology degree to be a high school guidance counselor. She could relate to teenage kids because of her free-spirited attitude, and help them by using her experience of going from "bad girl rebel" to a more mature adult. |
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Post by ghostrider on Sept 27, 2009 23:08:50 GMT -5
Thank you Reality Bites. I have gapping holes in my knowledge of Charmed. I just couldn't remember a major nor did I understand what qualifications she had in order to get on the paper. So, now armed with this, I gotta tell ya...you are on the money and that is the ticket. Perfect. With her education and her Phoebeness...good occupation and wide open to some terrific story lines....Missed is again Kern!!!
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Post by ljones on Oct 1, 2009 16:02:15 GMT -5
It sounds as if you believe that Phoebe should have remained the same character . . . without any growth or any other kind of development throughout the show's eight seasons. That doesn't sound like good writing to me.
Heck, Prue's photography job seemed more suited to one who would be described as a "free spirit". Besides, Phoebe was never a free spirit to me. She was just a screw up with a major insecurity complex, thanks to Prue and Penny's treatment of her during her childhood. Instead of teaching Phoebe how to be responsible, they simply dismissed her as irresponsible and ranted whenever she screwed up.
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Post by Assassin Witch on Oct 1, 2009 16:43:56 GMT -5
She majored in psychology, that's what she received her degree for in college. It helped her land the job as an advice columnist, because she has experience in the field of psychology. I think the writers would have been better off having Phoebe use her psychology degree to be a high school guidance counselor. She could relate to teenage kids because of her free-spirited attitude, and help them by using her experience of going from "bad girl rebel" to a more mature adult. I disagree. I think the events of The Fifth Halliwheel is what got her the job, not her psychology background. She did Karen's work. Elise saw it. Karen left and Elise needed someone. And Phoebe had just wrote a good column. I don't think it had to do with her schooling background. |
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Post by Reality Bites on Oct 2, 2009 1:59:55 GMT -5
She majored in psychology, that's what she received her degree for in college. It helped her land the job as an advice columnist, because she has experience in the field of psychology. I think the writers would have been better off having Phoebe use her psychology degree to be a high school guidance counselor. She could relate to teenage kids because of her free-spirited attitude, and help them by using her experience of going from "bad girl rebel" to a more mature adult. I disagree. I think the events of The Fifth Halliwheel is what got her the job, not her psychology background. She did Karen's work. Elise saw it. Karen left and Elise needed someone. And Phoebe had just wrote a good column. IMO. I don't think it had to do with her schooling background. I don't think Phoebe's degree got her the job, but I do think it helped her secure the job sense it helps her appear qualified for the position. Phoebe had absolutely no real experience as a columnist and for Elise to be a competent editor she had to of at least hired Phoebe based on more than just one good column. |
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Post by marienomad on Oct 2, 2009 3:54:05 GMT -5
I disagree. I think the events of The Fifth Halliwheel is what got her the job, not her psychology background. She did Karen's work. Elise saw it. Karen left and Elise needed someone. And Phoebe had just wrote a good column. IMO. I don't think it had to do with her schooling background. I don't think Phoebe's degree got her the job, but I do think it helped her secure the job sense it helps her appear qualified for the position. Phoebe had absolutely no real experience as a columnist and for Elise to be a competent editor she had to of at least hired Phoebe based on more than just one good column. What about when Elise hired Phoebe (disguised as Julie) because Dex suggested it to her? |
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Post by dylan345 on Oct 2, 2009 15:50:17 GMT -5
Because "Julie" was her cousin, which of course makes her qualified.
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Post by Esmeralda on Oct 2, 2009 17:09:50 GMT -5
ROFLMAO! Typical Kern logic!
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