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Post by ljones on Oct 3, 2009 12:28:20 GMT -5
I don't think that Abby Van Buren was experienced when she first became an advice columnist.
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Post by ghostrider on Oct 3, 2009 12:41:57 GMT -5
Posted by ljones on Today at 1:28pm LJones is correct. Dear Abby had no experience in the real world working for a newspaper but both she and her twin sister (Dear Anne) wrote for their college paper. See link below. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pauline_Phillips |
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Post by dylan345 on Oct 3, 2009 20:13:43 GMT -5
It sounds as if you believe that Phoebe should have remained the same character . . . without any growth or any other kind of development throughout the show's eight seasons. That doesn't sound like good writing to me. Heck, Prue's photography job seemed more suited to one who would be described as a "free spirit". Besides, Phoebe was never a free spirit to me. She was just a screw up with a major insecurity complex, thanks to Prue and Penny's treatment of her during her childhood. Instead of teaching Phoebe how to be responsible, they simply dismissed her as irresponsible and ranted whenever she screwed up. Well, agree to disagree then. I've already said all I want to. |
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Post by marienomad on Oct 11, 2009 22:05:09 GMT -5
Maybe Elise knew that Phoebe's a witch. Like, maybe she's a witch herself or that she somehow found out.
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Post by ghostrider on Oct 11, 2009 23:08:56 GMT -5
By wacky by cracky I think I've got it!! Elise is really Aviva's other aunt, Jackie's identical twin sister. After the Halliwells helped Aviva with her troubles, they chatted about it and Jackie thought it would be nice to return the favor so she asked Elise to give Phoebe a job.
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Post by marienomad on Oct 11, 2009 23:40:20 GMT -5
By wacky by cracky I think I've got it!! Elise is really Aviva's other aunt, Jackie's identical twin sister. After the Halliwells helped Aviva with her troubles, they chatted about it and Jackie thought it would be nice to return the favor so she asked Elise to give Phoebe a job. I guess that would make sense. I wish that they could put in a scene about Elise revealing herself. Demons attacked Elise in front of Phoebe. Pheobe: Elise! Watch out. Elise turned around and encased the demon in ice. Phoebe stares at Elise in shock. Elise: What? Everyone says that I'm a witch. |
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Post by Patrick on Oct 31, 2009 20:16:37 GMT -5
I like to think that Phoebe's job was an important step in her life quest. I mean, look at how she landed it. Or should I say look how the job landed in her lap. It practically came to her...almost like a premonition. Phoebe is the most intuitive of the three and the most susceptible to signs and whatnot, so maybe this job was a way of helping her figure out her life in a way.
Piper would have turned it down
Paige would have probably quit after a while when she felt her heart go somewhere else.
But Phoebe took the job and gradually it brought her love, a way to help innocents without magic, gave her something positive to focus on which in my opinion helps clear her get in a better state-of-mind, and this job also did many little things like help her relationships with her sisters, boyfriends, get reached by magical beings, and let's not forget the most practical...it helped pay the bills when P3 wasn't doing so well.
Phoebe did great without it, don't get me wrong, but this job landing in her lap was important to her life.
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Post by marienomad on Nov 1, 2009 3:47:28 GMT -5
I like to think that Phoebe's job was an important step in her life quest. I mean, look at how she landed it. Or should I say look how the job landed in her lap. It practically came to her...almost like a premonition. Phoebe is the most intuitive of the three and the most susceptible to signs and whatnot, so maybe this job was a way of helping her figure out her life in a way. Piper would have turned it down Paige would have probably quit after a while when she felt her heart go somewhere else. But Phoebe took the job and gradually it brought her love, a way to help innocents without magic, gave her something positive to focus on which in my opinion helps clear her get in a better state-of-mind, and this job also did many little things like help her relationships with her sisters, boyfriends, get reached by magical beings, and let's not forget the most practical...it helped pay the bills when P3 wasn't doing so well. Phoebe did great without it, don't get me wrong, but this job landing in her lap was important to her life. Yes, it did help innocents without magic and it did help her be more mature. But, how did it help her get reached by magical beings. Magical beings know who the Charmed Ones are. The only magical being who reached her was a mermaid. Also, there are times when she did get information on helping others but she could have gotten that information from a library or from the Internet. In fact, I am still bothered by the fact that Phoebe decided to get information about Pirates, a popular topic, from a movie critic because he watched pirate movies. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Nov 1, 2009 11:07:28 GMT -5
I also prefered when Phoebe was the "researcher" -- checking the Book or the internet for information -- her laptop was as much a part of their protecting innocents as the Book. Keep in mind that an evil genie also used her job to contact her, which cancels out the mermaid, so no magical creatures used that to contact The Charmed Ones. This job definitely didn't help her mature, since she was much more mature before she got the job than she ever was while she had it, she regressed so much. And it didn't bring her love, just slampieces to help her get over Cole and/or find her daughter's sperm donor. Coop didn't find her via the column.  I like the idea of Aviva's aunt being the one who talked her twin sister into hiring Phoebe (maybe even hiring Phoebe's "cousin" ), especially if the sisters did indeed keep in contact with Aviva. It would've been fun seeing Rebecca Balding play both Aunt Jackie and Elise in the same episode. |
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Post by ljones on Nov 3, 2009 14:53:06 GMT -5
For me, Phoebe's profession as a columnist was just a job. Just as Piper as a cook and later, a nightclub owner, was just a job. It didn't have to make her more mature. It didn't have to bring her love. Nor did it have to help her "protect innocents". It was a job. A profession. And one that she obviously liked.
What is the big deal?
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Post by Lady Morticia on Nov 3, 2009 17:48:30 GMT -5
For me, Phoebe's profession as a columnist was just a job. Just as Piper as a cook and later, a nightclub owner, was just a job. It didn't have to make her more mature. It didn't have to bring her love. Nor did it have to help her "protect innocents". It was a job. A profession. And one that she obviously liked. What is the big deal? I agree, a job is just a job however I do like how they gave Phoebe the perfect job for her character, it was something we could enjoy and love with her. |
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Post by dylan345 on Nov 4, 2009 14:11:42 GMT -5
For me, Phoebe's profession as a columnist was just a job. Just as Piper as a cook and later, a nightclub owner, was just a job. It didn't have to make her more mature. It didn't have to bring her love. Nor did it have to help her "protect innocents". It was a job. A profession. And one that she obviously liked. What is the big deal? It was "just a job?" So you're saying she didn't become a complete workaholic after getting her job? I believe she once said, "Cole, my career is the most important thing to me." And why shouldn't a job that's a serious one make you more mature? She was taking on the responsibility of giving sometimes life saving advice based on a letter or email someone sent her. She'd better be mature. |
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Post by ljones on Nov 4, 2009 16:13:52 GMT -5
For me, Phoebe's profession as a columnist was just a job. Just as Piper as a cook and later, a nightclub owner, was just a job. It didn't have to make her more mature. It didn't have to bring her love. Nor did it have to help her "protect innocents". It was a job. A profession. And one that she obviously liked. What is the big deal? It was "just a job?" So you're saying she didn't become a complete workaholic after getting her job? I believe she once said, "Cole, my career is the most important thing to me." And why shouldn't a job that's a serious one make you more mature? She was taking on the responsibility of giving sometimes life saving advice based on a letter or email someone sent her. She'd better be mature. Because some people find jobs simply to put food on the table. Others find jobs that they simply like, regardless of whether it makes them more mature or not. All that was important to me was that Phoebe finally managed to find a job/career and stopped mooching on her sisters. |
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Post by dylan345 on Nov 4, 2009 19:22:36 GMT -5
Well, I agree it was good of her to become more independent. I also agree that her job doesn't have to make her more mature. I just think some people feel like she regressed later in the show. I would have been happy if she kept some of her more mature characteristics from early on in the show, instead of seemingly losing those.
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Post by ljones on Nov 5, 2009 17:28:34 GMT -5
Well, I agree it was good of her to become more independent. I also agree that her job doesn't have to make her more mature. I just think some people feel like she regressed later in the show. I would have been happy if she kept some of her more mature characteristics from early on in the show, instead of seemingly losing those. For me, Phoebe was not the only one who had regressed. I think all of the sisters (I'm not sure about Paige) had since Prue's death. |
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Post by dylan345 on Nov 5, 2009 19:05:20 GMT -5
For sure Phoebe was not the only one. I think Paige regressed also during most points in seasons five and later, and I don't really know why. She had a good year of being serious and mature, and then for some reason that all went away. Maybe she spent too much time with her sisters, and just started to copy them.
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Post by marienomad on Nov 5, 2009 22:18:02 GMT -5
For sure Phoebe was not the only one. I think Paige regressed also during most points in seasons five and later, and I don't really know why. She had a good year of being serious and mature, and then for some reason that all went away. Maybe she spent too much time with her sisters, and just started to copy them. Or that they treat her so much like a little sister, that she decided to become one. She did get better in Season Eight. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Nov 5, 2009 23:36:03 GMT -5
That she did. Henry had a better influence on her than her sisters did--he had no reason for treating her like a baby sister. Also even tho she forgot that Billie was her charge after awhile, having a charge seemed to have a good influence on her, too.
Too bad none of Phoebe's slampieces (with the exception of Drake--how I wish he could've stayed!) had the same effect on her.
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Post by marienomad on Nov 6, 2009 16:16:47 GMT -5
I wonder how exactly did Phoebe's career change her personality and how? I mean, when I work at my place of employment, I serve others and so I find myself saying 'Yes' and 'Of course' almost automatically. I created a public face of sorts.
I wonder if Phoebe gained a 'celebrity' face?
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Post by dylan345 on Nov 6, 2009 16:44:41 GMT -5
I just know that to me, she seemed like a true individual in the beginning of the series. She seemed like someone who was truly unique. Then towards the end there was nothing that made her stand out in that way anymore. I think a lot of things had to do with that, but it seemed like she changed a lot after getting her career.
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I like the idea of Aviva's aunt being the one who talked her twin sister into hiring Phoebe (maybe even hiring Phoebe's "cousin" ), especially if the sisters did indeed keep in contact with Aviva. It would've been fun seeing Rebecca Balding play both Aunt Jackie and Elise in the same episode. 
