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Post by ohsomerryjane on Apr 22, 2016 22:07:55 GMT -5
I'm re-watching the show after not seeing these episodes since their original release. I grew up watching, as an adolescent. As a kid, I thought they were so stylish and sophisticated, but now, as an almost 30-year-old woman, I'm a bit taken aback.
Now, I notice everyone is saying how things started getting a bit out of hand after the "Ms. Hellfire" episode, as far as costumes. I must say, though, I'm only in S1E8, "The Truth is Out There... and It Hurts," and Prue is at Buckland's (a seemingly very professional, upscale auction house) in a damn bandeau top! It isn't exactly raunchy, but absolutely not "business" attire by anyone's standards.
I can only expect the costumes to become more revealing from here on out if that's how they dress the lead character (at the time) for work.
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Post by West on Apr 22, 2016 22:12:31 GMT -5
I'm re-watching the show after not seeing these episodes since their original release. I grew up watching, as an adolescent. As a kid, I thought they were so stylish and sophisticated, but now, as an almost 30-year-old woman, I'm a bit taken aback. Now, I notice everyone is saying how things started getting a bit out of hand after the "Ms. Hellfire" episode, as far as costumes. I must say, though, I'm only in S1E8, "The Truth is Out There... and It Hurts," and Prue is at Buckland's (a seemingly very professional, upscale auction house) in a damn bandeau top! It isn't exactly raunchy, but absolutely not "business" attire by anyone's standards. I can only expect the costumes to become more revealing from here on out if that's how they dress the lead character (at the time) for work. Your around my age too and grew up with similar experiences. I myself have grown to dislike all of this too. As a teenager I loved those seasons, now I prefer the earlier ones. I do notice the clothing styles changed so much. It made no sense as the show progressed they would suddenly change. But that was WB's input. Also welcome to cafe ohsomerryjane. Your new like grannycharmed who joined yesterday. I love that were getting new members lately. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2016 0:11:30 GMT -5
Welcome to the site!  The wardrobe changes actually did start as early as Season 2. That was the season Eilish (known as Hellish by the fandom) was brought on as the costume designer, and she had a tendency to dress the leads on the skimpy side. It only got worse after Season 4, when the WB started demanding the sexualization of the sisters, as we discussed in this thread. It's sometimes shocking to go back and watch Season 1 and see the sisters (Even Phoebe!) wearing normal, tasteful clothes. |
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Post by val1993 on Apr 23, 2016 5:02:10 GMT -5
It's funny, but I DO remember Shannen Doherty saying in a couple of interviews about how much she liked the fact that in Charmed she was able to choose outfits for her character by herself (something she couldn't do on BH90210), hence she is partially responsible for sexualization of the sisters haha.
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Post by adzpower on Apr 23, 2016 5:22:10 GMT -5
I wouldn't say the costumes ruined the show, they certainly didn't help and sometimes felt a but tacky (superheroes, mermaids etc) but it was the writing that did it for me for the most part. Inconsistent, sloppy, full of continuity errors, eurgh.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2016 17:59:07 GMT -5
The "sexy" attire started very subtly and was mostly confined to nights out at P3, but then slowly moved towards being a bit tarty (In Natalie the Whitelighter's words) "braless, strapless..." but I didn't mind because it probably does get fairly warm in SF during the summer. Although it confused me when Prue started wearing stuff like this to work all of a sudden:  Of course, this was nothing by comparison to what Phoebe would later deem work-appropriate:  |
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Post by unakite on Apr 24, 2016 10:44:52 GMT -5
Don't get the problem
I am living in LA, outside the working environment women dress as they wish
I am amazed that anyone could scandalize for a navel
Shannen has always chosen the clothes she wanted, usually the most expensive
Holly has some complex about her body, reason for more modest choices
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2016 14:30:55 GMT -5
Don't get the problem I am living in LA, outside the working environment women dress as they wish I am amazed that anyone could scandalize for a navel Shannen has always chosen the clothes she wanted, usually the most expensive Holly has some complex about her body, reason for more modest choices Those outfits WERE worn to work by Prue and Phoebe. Hardly appropriate for an office environment, they look half dressed. |
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Post by West on Apr 24, 2016 20:43:50 GMT -5
Don't get the problem I am living in LA, outside the working environment women dress as they wish I am amazed that anyone could scandalize for a navel Shannen has always chosen the clothes she wanted, usually the most expensive Holly has some complex about her body, reason for more modest choices Those outfits WERE worn to work by Prue and Phoebe. Hardly appropriate for an office environment, they look half dressed. Definitely not ideal for work. It makes it appear the shows changes start to occur in season 2 with WB wanting P3 and musical guests and the outfit changes for the Halliwells plus the background score getting a makeover. Luckily these changes were minor and the storylines written were still great. |
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Post by unakite on Apr 25, 2016 10:16:58 GMT -5
Prue wore mini top with exposed her navel under a jacket at work: inadequate for an auction house where it should have been valued a certain style
Phoebe, as columnist of a newspaper, can wear what she wishes
In the journalistic agency where I am working, everyone dresses as she wishes, even short pants and mini topm, only if there are official meetings it is requested appropriate clothing
The actresses had a vast selection of clothes and they always wore what they wanted, except the costumes,rather conventional also those
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Post by erikamarie on Apr 28, 2016 14:53:04 GMT -5
I agree, even in my architects's study, if we receive our customers we dress in a suited way, habitually, as we like
With regard to the costumes: as goddesses, the sisters wore very normal costumes, inspired by the clothes of ancient Greece women, often consisting of a single rectangle of cloth, not sewn but draped around the body, with almost identical styles both for men and women
Respecting the Valkyries dressed as Amazons: they used outfits as ther were females centurions, fortunately: according to Pausanias, when the Amazons attacked, were bare-breasted
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Post by ljones on May 2, 2016 23:05:33 GMT -5
No, it was the increasingly bad writing and the show's inability to rise above its infantile morality.
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Post by Aaeiyn on Mar 17, 2024 12:51:51 GMT -5
No, but "sexy" Charmed began as early as S2. I would even say as early as S1b with tidbits of it in S1a. I'm surprised it takes most people until around S5 to notice.
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Mar 17, 2024 13:39:14 GMT -5
Oh, I know Sexy Charmed began in season 2 with the revealing backless numbers for instance.
That didn't taint my love for the show because I knew it was down to the execs and whatnot and clothing standard of the time of course.
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Post by Aaeiyn on Mar 17, 2024 13:51:36 GMT -5
Oh, I know Sexy Charmed began in season 2 with the revealing backless numbers for instance. That didn't taint my love for the show because I knew it was down to the execs and whatnot and clothing standard of the time of course. There's definitely exceptions to those who noticed it back in S2. However, most (not all) of the fandom tend to notice around the S5 mark, and it baffles me. Like I said in my earlier post, it's still seen in S1 especially comparing both of the aired and unaired pilots, together, since they were both directed by two different people. The director for the aired one definitely sexualized Alyssa Milano as early as the pilot. It's raining, and Phoebe's running around in a Tank Top before wearing her PJ shirt that exposes her belly? LOL Even had her crawl on her bed very seductive like, towards Piper, in one of the scenes. We don't see that with Lori Rom's Phoebe. Same with Prue, wearing a dress and then wearing some silky and VERY thin pajama pants and a short tank top with spaghetti straps, ALL in the first episode. HUGE difference between the aired and unaired, in wardrobe, as well. Lori Rom's Phoebe was more covered than Alyssa's Phoebe. Amazing. |
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Post by greta on Mar 17, 2024 15:52:47 GMT -5
It's typical Spelling and WB marketing to sexualize the stars.
But it has little impact on me ruining the show. I'm sure Charmed wasn't the only one to do that on the WB.
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Post by rebooted on Mar 17, 2024 18:42:55 GMT -5
I think Season 4 has the right balance in terms of revealing outfits and costumes.
If they wanted the sisters to be more sexually revealing they could have always had them run around in their PJ's and night clothes just like in the premier.
There was no need for the mummy belly dancer outfit or the mermaid really.
For me, the outfits in the later half made charmed less believable.
Ok, they are witches and there a demons and ghosts, sure we can believe that - the sisterhood kind of makes it believable, then there is another sister - ok - we can believe that. - Then there are fairytales - ok - um - kinda pushing the believability now. Then the outfits and the make up and costumes make them less ordinary and more celebrity like.
Sisters sharing/stealing each others clothes e.g. in Phoebe's story in Charmed Again Part 2 or Phoebe in Season 1 taking Prue's outfits.
There were times where it was done tastefully and believably like Phoebe's protest costume in my Display Pic or in Ms Hellfire when Prue convincingly goes undercover.
However the Demonatrix episode by contrast - OMG - like why? why? why? why?
However, i do remember my straight guy mates at high school loving to tune in to see the revealing outfits up until Season 6 perhaps and then that sugar hit lapsed after that.
The outfits were one added thing that made the show less believable in the last half - as it moved more towards fantasy instead of supernatural drama.
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Post by Aaeiyn on Mar 17, 2024 18:51:33 GMT -5
There was no need for the mummy belly dancer outfit or the mermaid really. At least those outfits flowed better than that atrocious thing they called the "Cinderella Dress". Rather stare at the mermaid and/or Mummy outfits over that atrocity. |
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Post by rebooted on Mar 17, 2024 18:59:00 GMT -5
There was no need for the mummy belly dancer outfit or the mermaid really. At least those outfits flowed better than that atrocious thing they called the "Cinderella Dress". Rather stare at the mermaid and/or Mummy outfits over that atrocity. Lol I watched that episode with my 10 year old niece last year and she was like..... That's not Cinderella - and what is that sleeve-belting thing hanging off her? hahahah! Season 5 could have started completely opposite - with a #metoo storyline (before its time), with Phoebe at the Bay Mirror, experiencing some of the same harassment that Paige did in Hell Hath No Fury. The storyline could have been about being body positive and scantly clothed as a choice while shutting down the misoginy as women - rather than witches and the power - play dynamic that Phoebe would have had to deal with with the Bay Mirror execs. However that wouldn't have bought in viewers in the post 9/11 era like it would have today - and would have been to dangerous for the WB to tread and considered far to woke - before wokeism ever existed. |
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Post by zoeysmom on Mar 18, 2024 21:34:56 GMT -5
Yeah- or at least, it was a big part of later seasons being ruined for me. I thought the revealing outfits made it less of a "Girl power/ for women and about women" thing into something that was trying to appeal more to the guys. (Not that there's anything wrong with shows that appeal to guys, but shows that are for women, by women, and about women have a certain charm for me. Pun intended.)
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