Different Evil for S8

[Quadquetra]

Ok so from what I have seen not many people like Billie and Christy for the evil of S8, me being one of them.

So what would you have preferred?

Also here is a thought I had, in the episode Desperate Housewitches, the Source was brought back for a bit. What if he had somehow survived Mandy being killed or somehow froze her and she was still alive so he would stay alive. What if he had been the S8 evil?

So opinons on that thought and what you thought an appropriate evil should have been?

[Esmeralda]

I will always insist that I would've preferred the sisters finding out that the true Big Bad was themselves, especially Piper and Phoebe, with their powers having gone to their heads. I would've loved to have them find out that they were the ones who turned Wyatt evil in the future. Best of all, I'd want them to find out that in the original timeline, they used the Power of Three to vanquish the Titans and it was Chris (the true Ultimate Evil of Charmed--lying, whining, murdering brat!) turning them into goddesses as the reason why they changed from potential whitelighters in the earlier seasons to potential darklighters in the latter ones. Straightening that out would've been the only way I would've enjoyed S8.

Best of all, it means the final season would've been all about the sisters, as it should've been.

And along that line, my true answer is NONE--let S7 be the final season--Zankou made the best Big Bad, much, much, MUCH more than the Source, because he was so much smarter.

[pixiesunbelle]

Jan 4, 2010 6:52:48 GMT -5 Esmeralda said:

I will always insist that I would've preferred the sisters finding out that the true Big Bad was themselves, especially Piper and Phoebe, with their powers having gone to their heads. I would've loved to have them find out that they were the ones who turned Wyatt evil in the future. Best of all, I'd want them to find out that in the original timeline, they used the Power of Three to vanquish the Titans and it was Chris (the true Ultimate Evil of Charmed--lying, whining, murdering brat!) turning them into goddesses as the reason why they changed from potential whitelighters in the earlier seasons to potential darklighters in the latter ones. Straightening that out would've been the only way I would've enjoyed S8.

Best of all, it means the final season would've been all about the sisters, as it should've been.

And along that line, my true answer is NONE--let S7 be the final season--Zankou made the best Big Bad, much, much, MUCH more than the Source, because he was so much smarter.

Zankou is my bf's favorite villain. We also enjoyed Barbas too.
However, I think it would have been cool if it turned out TCO were the ones who turned Wyatt evil. It would have been appropriate and meant there was something they weren't doing right. Perhaps too focused on their lives to notice they were not teaching Wyatt properly, or let him meet someone bad? A mistake any parent could make.
As for Chris, he was just extremely worried about being found out. He was worried it would destroy his chance to change the past. I can understand why he was so tight-lipped. Also, his hatred for Leo drove him to make Leo an Elder and make the girl's goddesses. No, i did not agree with Chris' decisions all the way... but i wouldn't want him to be the big-bad either.

[Esmeralda]

Jan 4, 2010 10:20:53 GMT -5 pixiesunbelle said:

Jan 4, 2010 6:52:48 GMT -5 Esmeralda said:

I will always insist that I would've preferred the sisters finding out that the true Big Bad was themselves, especially Piper and Phoebe, with their powers having gone to their heads. I would've loved to have them find out that they were the ones who turned Wyatt evil in the future. Best of all, I'd want them to find out that in the original timeline, they used the Power of Three to vanquish the Titans and it was Chris (the true Ultimate Evil of Charmed--lying, whining, murdering brat!) turning them into goddesses as the reason why they changed from potential whitelighters in the earlier seasons to potential darklighters in the latter ones. Straightening that out would've been the only way I would've enjoyed S8.

Best of all, it means the final season would've been all about the sisters, as it should've been.

And along that line, my true answer is NONE--let S7 be the final season--Zankou made the best Big Bad, much, much, MUCH more than the Source, because he was so much smarter.

Zankou is my bf's favorite villain. We also enjoyed Barbas too.

However, I think it would have been cool if it turned out TCO were the ones who turned Wyatt evil. It would have been appropriate and meant there was something they weren't doing right. Perhaps too focused on their lives to notice they were not teaching Wyatt properly, or let him meet someone bad? A mistake any parent could make.

As for Chris, he was just extremely worried about being found out. He was worried it would destroy his chance to change the past. I can understand why he was so tight-lipped.

No, I never saw that. If he had apologized for his lying and murdering, particularly the murdering, so Paige and Phoebe wouldn't have thought it was okay to murder Rick, then I'd agree. As is, no.

Now had something like this: Epilogue to "The Courtship of Wyatt's Father" actually been shown, then I'd agree with you. But as is (since I truly don't think anything like that fic ever happened, since there was never any changes in Chris, mainly due to Fuller's inability to show subtle changes in his character--he didn't know how to play anything besides a spoiled-rotten, lying, whining brat), nope.

Also, his hatred for Leo drove him to make Leo an Elder and make the girl's goddesses. No, i did not agree with Chris' decisions all the way... but i wouldn't want him to be the big-bad either.

Oh, YES! The sisters find out that it was Chris' hatred for Leo that totally screwed up their lives and straighten THAT out. Especially if someone else (like Bianca, or, using your suggestion, Barbas) had screwed up Chris into *thinking* that his father loved Wyatt more than he loved hm--the real reason why I think Chris wanted to kill both Leo and Wyatt until he found out that his father loved him, but by then it was too late to save Wyatt.

YES! That would've made a PERFECT S8 for me! And it means that Chris would've been as much of an innocent as Christy.

[dylan345]

Jan 3, 2010 21:09:59 GMT -5 Quadquetra said:

Ok so from what I have seen not many people like Billie and Christy for the evil of S8, me being one of them.

So what would you have preferred?

Also here is a thought I had, in the episode Desperate Housewitches, the Source was brought back for a bit. What if he had somehow survived Mandy being killed or somehow froze her and she was still alive so he would stay alive. What if he had been the S8 evil?

So opinons on that thought and what you thought an appropriate evil should have been?

I didn't like the Source coming back. It just showed the writers had run out of ideas.

I would like the sisters to find out that they are on the path to being burned at the stake as they saw in Morality Bites, and go back in time to warn their earlier selves about what the future holds if they become the way they did later in the show. However, it won't be like they go back in time physically like Chris did and interrupt their own lives. They would send indirect signs to themselves, and if their past selves recognized the signs then it would mean they were meant to be saved, but if not, it would lead right to where they were at the end of season eight. Then the show would end and the fans would be left to decide if the earlier versions of the sisters saw the signs or if they were beyond saving and stayed as they were in season eight.

[CharmedFaith]

The sisters being the "big bads" is ok but not for a main "bigbad". What are they going to do? Fight themselves? Boring. Sulk around the entire season? Boring.

Having Christy/Billie be the bigbads was an ok idea, just executed very badly.Wouldnt have minded if The Source was brought back bigger and badder than ever. Or maybe even bring back the Charmed warlock brothers or introduce a new set.

Or perhaps have TCO vs. The Elders or an Elder "fallen from grace" so to speak

[Esmeralda]

Jan 4, 2010 13:41:23 GMT -5 CharmedFaith said:

The sisters being the "big bads" is ok but not for a main "bigbad". What are they going to do? Fight themselves? Boring. Sulk around the entire season? Boring.

Hey, they did that all S6-8 (or at least Piper did) and most fans seem to think she did OK.

Having Christy/Billie be the bigbads was an ok idea, just executed very badly.

How would you have executed it better? The idea of two sisters being more powerful than our three sisters left an even worse taste in my mouth than the Twice Blessed Brat and his prophecy. And these two didn't even have a prophecy.

Wouldnt have minded if The Source was brought back bigger and badder than ever. Or maybe even bring back the Charmed warlock brothers or introduce a new set.

Well, with the warlock brothers, one of them was good--a priest at that-- so that wouldn't have worked.

No, I'd had it with Big Bads--I'd had it with them after they vanquished The Source the first time, changing my mind only when Zankou showed up--if they wanted to use the Source, they should've used him throughout the series, not vanquishing him until the end, with him *totally* possessing various people--including the Charmed Ones, their friends, their co-workers, their lovers, etc.--the way he possessed Shane (and let him possess Cole *that* way, not the way they did where Cole was still recognizable).

Or perhaps have TCO vs. The Elders or an Elder "fallen from grace" so to speak

Now *there's* a scenario I like. Show that *all* of the Elders who survived the Titan attack were like Leo, whitelighters who weren't truly destined to become Elders and whose powers had gone to their heads, just like The Charmed Ones. That I would like a lot.

[CharmedFaith]

Christy and Billie dont need to be more powerful than TCOs. But of course their bond as sisters would be what made them strongest since we know bonds make for a powerful thing in the Charmedverse. Having them been abducted or manipulated by demons into fighting TCO in the end is fine. The fact that they are also innocents and witches is what makes them so hard for TCO to kill since they want to save them. But not all innocents can be saved and that may end up the case for one or both of the Jenkin sisters.

[Esmeralda]

Jan 4, 2010 21:33:25 GMT -5 CharmedFaith said:

Christy and Billie dont need to be more powerful than TCOs. But of course their bond as sisters would be what made them strongest since we know bonds make for a powerful thing in the Charmedverse. Having them been abducted or manipulated by demons into fighting TCO in the end is fine. The fact that they are also innocents and witches is what makes them so hard for TCO to kill since they want to save them. But not all innocents can be saved and that may end up the case for one or both of the Jenkin sisters.

I wouldn't have minded Billie and Christy being the final big bad (but not a BIG BAD, worse than the Source or Zankou or The Triad or...) if they had truly been warlocks from the beginning (with Billie playing good in order to fool the sisters, a bit like Cole did in S3 and no Stockholm Syndrome for Christy, which is why I will always count her as the Ultimate Innocent, not the Ultimate Evil). and if they had a third sister, so it would've been three against three. I'd especially like it if those three were the greatest evil ever known (say like daughters of the Source, unlike the Triad who were just servants of the Source). It was the idea that Billie herself was actually more powerful than The Charmed Ones combined that irritated me, the same way the idea of the Twice Blessed Brat irritated me. Also getting three dramatic actresses to play the roles rather than a comedic one would've helped a lot.

*But* just like there was no BIG BADS to battle in S1-3 (except the Source in the background, which is where I would've preferred the BIG BAD to remain) and it was all about the sisters discovering their heritage, I would've preferred S8 being all about finding out that they were totally off-track and that they were better off giving up their heritage, remaining witches, but no longer Charmed. "Forever UNCharmed" would've made the perfect finale for me.

[pixiesunbelle]

1. I would have preferred Billie without her sister, her quest, or her Ultimate Power. I would have preferred her to be a sign for TCO that they were off-track. Billie's character was great, but I think that she needed to be introduced in S6 or S7. I also think that Billie could have been prophesied about as well- such as being a great power destined to battle evil with TCO and the combination of such power could be unstoppable. So, instead of taking Leo in order to fight the Ultimate Power(i can't think of a name other than at atm), they must find the missing piece and over time Billie gains signs about her sister being abducted and finds out her sister is the new missing piece; but it all must be done without Leo to prove they are still worthy of a whitelighter and are not focusing on themselves too much.

2. I would have loved to see more of Michaela than just one episode. I would have loved a prophesy about her being destined to save a Charmed One.

3. Anyone else hate how Phoebe finds the love of her life in one episode and marries him in the same episode?

4. We don't see Henry and Paige together hardly at all. The show showed the rockiness of Leo and Piper's relationship and even Phoebe and Cole's... but we see nothing about Henry and Paige's once they are married.

However, i do like that Billie turned out to be good...
Ultimate Power is such a cheesy name though.

[marienomad]

First of all, don't make Billie and Christie the main big bad. If there has to be Billie, then make her a decent but not uber powerful witch.

If there is going to be a big bad, make it really scary and have the Charmed Ones be the ones actually responsible for it. Like I always believe that the Nexus' distruction was never explored. Every action causes and equal and opposite reaction and destroying the Nexus of Power is a pretty big action.

What if a weak demon becomes super powerful because of the Nexus being destroyed? Or the Nexus being destroyed caused a rip in all reality?

The Nexus itself can be the big bad.

That's what I think.

[erikamarie]

I don't think Christy was was having a case of Stockholm Syndrome she was raised by the demons she have been taught to use demonic powers, she liked to command demons and was convinced to fulfill her mission
Wyatt was abused as child by an Elder and growing up ( and loosing his mother) turned evil, Christy was raised by demons she forgot her human family and growing up she turned evil

She was a firestater maybe she was destined to the Source guards the Triad thought she'ld be a good weapon for the bond with her sister, I am convinced that the Triad bestowed all the other powers on Christy maybe using an athame
Billie was a normal witch skilled and promising but normal until she started her sister search maybe it was the same Triad by the link with Christy to increase Billie powers because she was able to defeat the Charmed One

This would explain how they got so powerful they'ld actually be a really great Big Bad if the writers were less concerned about Billie navel and more to justify the presence of two witches so powerful

[Esmeralda]

Mar 22, 2010 7:32:14 GMT -5 erikamarie said:

I don't think Christy was was having a case of Stockholm Syndrome she was raised by the demons she have been taught to use demonic powers, she liked to command demons and was convinced to fulfill her mission

Christy had a case of Stockholm Syndrome because she was kidnapped as a child and came to believe that her kidnappers were the good guys not the bad guys. That's classic Stockholm Syndrome. Had Grams not bound the sisters' powers, it might have been Prue or Piper who had been kidnapped. If Piper had been kidnapped as a child, brainwashed into believing that Triad were the good guys and taught how to use her explosions to get rid of those horrible Charmed Ones, the Jenkinses, who were now using their powers just for their own personal gains (as the Halliwells were) how would you have felt about her?

Christy's powers were not evil. This was proven with the boy who Piper helped. Yes, firestarters were used by the Source, but they weren't inheritently evil any more than he was. Just like that, Christy wasn't evil; she was brainwashed.

It's why I still count her as the Ultimate Innocent and why I'll always be disgusted that The Charmed Ones never once considered how to save her, the way they worked so hard to save Wyatt.

[SEERofCHAOS]

I don't like the idea of a Big Bad just staying in the background though whole time, such as with seasons 1-3. It leaves a major plothole of why he can't just come up and finish TCO's himself if he is so powerful.

I am sure the writers would give a reason...but most likely it would probably be stupid.

[erikamarie]

I do not think this is the right place to discuss the difference between Stockholm syndrome and brainwashing: there is but this is not a psychiatry board

I never said that a firestarter is evil or has evil powers I simply believe that Christy powers have been increased by the Triad, and so Billie powers (she becomes all powerful when she starts her sister search) otherwise the CO would not be the most powerful witches existing
the angel of destiny longs for their destruction even the angels of destiny had planned Leo death to upset Piper so she could react like she did at Prue death: angels of destiny, Elders Avatars they wanted Christy and Billie killed
When the CO discover the identity of the enemy is too late they do not have any choice.
Maybe if they understood before they could act on Bill, but when all three finally open their eyes there was no more time

[SEERofCHAOS]

How about evil Charmed Ones? That would be fun, espically if they really played at the sisters emotions, almost like Zankou.

Better yet, Zankou could have been the ones to create the Evil Charmed Ones, except the TCO don't know he is pulling the strings until the end.

[CharmedFaith]

Might as well have someone bring back the brothers from S1. They really should have left that story more open ended.

[SEERofCHAOS]

I am not a big fan of the brothers from season one, despite the fact I loved that episode. I would rather it be new people with powers similar to The Charmed Ones.

Evil Piper-Pyrokinesis, Cyrokinesis
Evil Paige-Black orbs, Glamouring, Death Hands
Evil Phoebe-Get information on anyone by touch

For evil Phoebe I didn't give counterparts to levitation or empathy seeing as she doesn't have them anymore.

[Esmeralda]

Apr 4, 2010 20:59:31 GMT -5 SEERofCHAOS said:

I am not a big fan of the brothers from season one, despite the fact I loved that episode. I would rather it be new people with powers similar to The Charmed Ones.

Evil Piper-Pyrokinesis, Cyrokinesis
Evil Paige-Black orbs, Glamouring, Death Hands
Evil Phoebe-Get information on anyone by touch

For evil Phoebe I didn't give counterparts to levitation or empathy seeing as she doesn't have them anymore.

Oh, yes, that's what I would've loved, the way I would've loved these three to be the ones on the other side of the wall during "It's a Bad, Bad, Bad World". The fact that those three sisters were the opposite of the sisters but weren't evil on the inside, just icky-looking on the outside shows how horrible the sisters were becoming on the inside despite how beautiful they were all becoming on the outside.

Like those, I would've liked to have Holly, Alyssa & Rose to play those roles. Or even better - their glamours.

I particularly like the idea of them having been created by Zankou; that does sound like something they would come up with.

Or better, following the idea used in Charmed: Reality Reset if they were descendants of the son of Melinda Warren and Matthew Tate, while the Charmed Ones were the descendants of Prudence Warren, daughter of Melinda and her husband.

Warrens vs Warrens is my idea of the perfect final season.

[SEERofCHAOS]

I'd like to write a fanfic about Evil Charmed Ones, it's just that when I start a fanfic I don't tend to finish it. And when I go back to it finally I don't remember where I was going to go with it.

I have many great ideas to.