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Post by zoeysmom on Apr 21, 2021 11:20:56 GMT -5
I never really saw the point of them putting in the personal gain thing into the show. I think they could use their powers for personal gain and still be good witches- like, for instance, if Phoebe had been able to win the lottery after seeing the winning numbers, she still would've been a good witch as long as she told the old couple the numbers and they shared the winnings. It's not like she would hurt anyone if she won.
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Post by cookieheart on Jun 14, 2021 2:05:26 GMT -5
If you put the personal gain in relation to the Wiccan Rede, it’s relatively easy to differentiate. Using your magic to help yourself at home or something like that doesn’t really matter since that wouldn’t have any affect on others, but using your magic to, for example, repair your car, would be personal gain since you effect others (the mechanics in this case). I think it’s more about using magic responsible and thinking about how it could effect others than anything else, but going into all the details of when using magic could be ok and when not would have overcomplicated the whole thing in the beginning, so they just used the umbrella term "personal gain" to simplify that.
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Jun 14, 2021 4:32:56 GMT -5
It's a pity personal gain wasn't defined more on the show in like there been a proper Paige in the book of shadows which the sisters added to so people like Paige and Wyatt or Chris or other witches understood that and what consequences occurred if they used magic incorrectly like when Leo wrote tips on how to be a good White Lighters for his sons obviously.
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Post by BriannaWarren2.0 on Jun 14, 2021 5:57:21 GMT -5
It's a pity personal gain wasn't defined more on the show in like there been a proper Paige in the book of shadows which the sisters added to so people like Paige and Wyatt or Chris or other witches understood that and what consequences occurred if they used magic incorrectly like when Leo wrote tips on how to be a good White Lighters for his sons obviously. I agree, I have always wanted Personal Gain to be more defined in the series, however I would have replaced it with Karma since it is already a concept most people understand. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Jun 14, 2021 6:49:09 GMT -5
The problem with karma is it doesn't always happen right away so it would appear that they could do whatever they wanted.
I loved personal gain when it was like Phoebe's lottery ticket - when she won, it vanished. But I wanted it to be used consistently - no way Prue should've been able to use it to throw the alarm clock. That made it inconsistently used right off the bat.
I would've preferred if they were just confined by the Wiccan Reid - it would've allowed Piper to use hers more often and she might have been happier being a witch.
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Post by BriannaWarren2.0 on Jun 14, 2021 14:47:12 GMT -5
The problem with karma is it doesn't always happen right away so it would appear that they could do whatever they wanted. I loved personal gain when it was like Phoebe's lottery ticket - when she won, it vanished. But I wanted it to be used consistently - no way Prue should've been able to use it to throw the alarm clock. That made it inconsistently used right off the bat. I would've preferred if they were just confined by the Wiccan Reid - it would've allowed Piper to use hers more often and she might have been happier being a witch. Noted! Maybe Karmic debt should have been introduced as well? The more spells you use resulting in Personal Gain will affect your next life and you'll have to work hard to clear those debts? I have always wanted that to be something that is introduced to a witch television series and if Charmed had remained gothic-esque I believe that it would have been prefect, now this isn't an idea that everyone may like but it is sure an interesting one. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Jun 14, 2021 18:44:54 GMT -5
The problem with karma is it doesn't always happen right away so it would appear that they could do whatever they wanted. I loved personal gain when it was like Phoebe's lottery ticket - when she won, it vanished. But I wanted it to be used consistently - no way Prue should've been able to use it to throw the alarm clock. That made it inconsistently used right off the bat. I would've preferred if they were just confined by the Wiccan Reid - it would've allowed Piper to use hers more often and she might have been happier being a witch. Noted! Maybe Karmic debt should have been introduced as well? The more spells you use resulting in Personal Gain will affect your next life and you'll have to work hard to clear those debts? I have always wanted that to be something that is introduced to a witch television series and if Charmed had remained gothic-esque I believe that it would have been prefect, now this isn't an idea that everyone may like but it is sure an interesting one. Actually it was shown. I always thought that Phoebe getting a passive power (and if you don't count the seasons when Alyssa is a producer, that's all she gets) was karma for what she did as P. Russell, the murderous cousin in 'Pardon My Past', similar to my reason for not letting Grams have her TK back but getting that passive power. |
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Post by BriannaWarren2.0 on Jun 15, 2021 4:29:40 GMT -5
Noted! Maybe Karmic debt should have been introduced as well? The more spells you use resulting in Personal Gain will affect your next life and you'll have to work hard to clear those debts? I have always wanted that to be something that is introduced to a witch television series and if Charmed had remained gothic-esque I believe that it would have been prefect, now this isn't an idea that everyone may like but it is sure an interesting one. Actually it was shown. I always thought that Phoebe getting a passive power (and if you don't count the seasons when Alyssa is a producer, that's all she gets) was karma for what she did as P. Russell, the murderous cousin in 'Pardon My Past', similar to my reason for not letting Grams have her TK back but getting that passive power. Agreed! Thank you for reminding me. |
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Post by zoeysmom on Jun 25, 2021 19:56:49 GMT -5
The problem with karma is it doesn't always happen right away so it would appear that they could do whatever they wanted. I loved personal gain when it was like Phoebe's lottery ticket - when she won, it vanished. But I wanted it to be used consistently - no way Prue should've been able to use it to throw the alarm clock. That made it inconsistently used right off the bat. I would've preferred if they were just confined by the Wiccan Reid - it would've allowed Piper to use hers more often and she might have been happier being a witch. Yeah, I think Piper would have been happier if she'd been allowed to use her powers more and if they were just confined by the Wiccan Reed. |
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Post by Andrew on Jul 23, 2021 8:42:31 GMT -5
Personally, I would have interpreted personal gain as meaning something along the lines of “something you gained by making someone else lose”. For example, when Phoebe was given the premonition to help the elderly couple win the lottery so they’d be able to keep their house, and tried to play the same numbers herself. That would have cut their winnings in half - and this is before taxes - meaning they might not have had enough by the time they finally got their winnings, and lost the house. By contrast, Prue using her telekinesis to clean the attic (I can’t remember which episode it was, but I distinctly remember her wondering if doing so violated the personal gain rule) isn’t harming anyone - if anything, it could be viewed as practicing with her power, given that she was splitting her attention into performing several different tasks with it at the same time, while also having a conversation, which could definitely come in handy when fighting demons or warlocks. (Remember when warlocks used to be a threat? Before everything was demons and Avatars and ridiculously overpowered children?)
The thing with Pratt wasn’t so much about personal gain as it was them not crossing the line from protecting the innocent to punishing the guilty, which is an entirely separate discussion, imho, so I won’t get into it here.
As for damage caused by demons and the like, I always thought there should have been some kind of spell - similar to the all-purpose vanishing spell, but as clearly defined as I always wished that spell was - to undo that. After all, it’s hardly the fault of any innocents who get caught up in matters (or even the sisters themselves, really) that their property was destroyed, and if it specified in the wording that it would only undo damage caused by evil, then it really couldn’t be used for personal gain. (It would also help explain how that grandfather clock can keep being smashed/blown up/incinerated/etc, then be perfectly fine later. *lol*) Indeed, if I ever get around to writing the fic series I have in mind, that’s something that would absolutely be addressed in it. 🙂
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