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Post by Quadquetra on Jan 20, 2010 20:50:35 GMT -5
Ok so we hear from Chris in Season 6 that Piper was dead in his future. And we hear in Chris Crossed all the Charmed ones were dead, so in your opinions how do you think they died?
And lol no sarcastic answers haha
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Post by Esmeralda on Jan 21, 2010 10:33:19 GMT -5
Ok so we hear from Chris in Season 6 that Piper was dead in his future. And we hear in Chris Crossed all the Charmed ones were dead, so in your opinions how do you think they died? And lol no sarcastic answers haha Oh, there are so many fanfictions that answer that question, each with a different response that it's hard to say. My own favorites are either that Wyatt himself killed her or a powerful demon caught her off-guard and it was Wyatt trying to bring her back to life that ultimately turned him evil. Then again, with the way that Chris treated his mother and talked about her, it's just as likely that he's the one who killed her--I never once saw anything that made me think he truly loved and respected her--he only used her the way he used everyone. Also, he only says she died, never that she was killed. It's just as possible that she simply died of a disease or had a heart attack (with how high-strung she was, highly likely). She could've even killed herself because she was so upset with the way her family turned out thanks to the way she raised them. My own personal reaction (and no sarcasm meant) is that she never died--he said that in order to get in good with his grandfather, the way he lied to Piper about the fact that there is no such thing as family in the future, knowing how much family means to Piper, or the fact that Paige was frozen when she obviously wasn't since she gave him money. Since he used everyone and never apologized for all of the horrible things he did, I never believed a word the True Big Bad of Charmed said anyway. The other question is IF she died, are her sisters dead, too? He never actually says so one way or the other, so I can see that either way. Ditto for whether she died first and they died later or even if one of the others died first. The "what ifs" can go on forever.
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Post by erikamarie on Jan 21, 2010 11:22:34 GMT -5
Chris crossed, the tour guide "Actually, the Charmed Ones were responsible for well over a thousand demon vanquishes before they were finally vanquished themselves." This way we could think of a great battle in which all three were killed, I believe in Chris's story, so I think that Piper was the first dying,then without the power of Three it was easier to kill Phoebe and Paige I'l lnever believe that Wyatt may have killed someone in his family In Imaginary Friend he threats leo but he does not dare to stop him like so he knows that his aunts will be able to face the demons that he evoked We know that evil Wyatt is a traumatized boy so it is likely that the loss of his mother and aunts did emerge his childhood trauma, his need for power is a need for the security lost loosing his family I don't think Piper would be easy to kill so I think that somebody very clever has worked with many allies to eliminate the CO Hyde School Reunion, Chris (when Piper asks about her death) "I can't tell you that.It could change the future in even worse ways" I gather from this phrase that only Piper died on his birthday I like to think that in the original future the same thing were happened (without the consequences of the death of Chris, no crazy Leo, no Avatars) but at different times and Zankou has found a way to come back and plotting against them he is the only one, along with the Source, that could kill the sisters, maybe working with Christy
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Post by Elder on Jan 21, 2010 12:08:13 GMT -5
The trick to figuring this out is to find out if any or all of the following is true:
a) the writers knew what they were doing and there is a true answer
b) just wrote episodes without checking previous scripts
c) figured it was so tough to figure timelines nobody would bother.
If Piper does die, is it by herself or a 3-in-1 vanquish elimination.
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Post by Quadquetra on Jan 21, 2010 16:27:52 GMT -5
Ok so we hear from Chris in Season 6 that Piper was dead in his future. And we hear in Chris Crossed all the Charmed ones were dead, so in your opinions how do you think they died? And lol no sarcastic answers haha Oh, there are so many fanfictions that answer that question, each with a different response that it's hard to say. My own favorites are either that Wyatt himself killed her or a powerful demon caught her off-guard and it was Wyatt trying to bring her back to life that ultimately turned him evil. Then again, with the way that Chris treated his mother and talked about her, it's just as likely that he's the one who killed her--I never once saw anything that made me think he truly loved and respected her--he only used her the way he used everyone. Also, he only says she died, never that she was killed. It's just as possible that she simply died of a disease or had a heart attack (with how high-strung she was, highly likely). She could've even killed herself because she was so upset with the way her family turned out thanks to the way she raised them. My own personal reaction (and no sarcasm meant) is that she never died--he said that in order to get in good with his grandfather, the way he lied to Piper about the fact that there is no such thing as family in the future, knowing how much family means to Piper, or the fact that Paige was frozen when she obviously wasn't since she gave him money. Since he used everyone and never apologized for all of the horrible things he did, I never believed a word the True Big Bad of Charmed said anyway. The other question is IF she died, are her sisters dead, too? He never actually says so one way or the other, so I can see that either way. Ditto for whether she died first and they died later or even if one of the others died first. The "what ifs" can go on forever. Well actually like someone said above, in Chris-Crossed, when it showed how Chris got to the past the tour guide says they were vanquished, heres the exact words. And that makes me think they were all killed together instead of separately.
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Post by Esmeralda on Jan 21, 2010 20:29:14 GMT -5
I stand corrected. Since I haven't watched any of the episodes past S3 since the series ended, I'm first to admit that my memory of the episodes isn't the best. There's your answer--they were vanquished. How and by whom is anyone's guess, although I still think it was by the Jenkinses when the sisters were in the midst of vanquishing them. (Keep in mind that I think that "Forever Charmed" is just Piper's fantasy as she dies after the explosion in "Kill Billie Vol 2". No one has ever told me anything that has made me think otherwise--and I thought that while I was watching it--the first and only time I watched it--just because it was SOOO unrealistic and SOOO inconsistent with the rest of Charmed, while ending up exactly the way Piper would want it to.) So, no, I don't think there's a "Piper's Alternate Future Death", only that she and the others are all trapped in a never-ending time loop that will repeat itself over and over and over and over... That was suggested to me by a different fic where that's exactly what Chris did, since he's the only Warren who did some time-traveling without help from either the Elders or Clyde--who, by the way, is the one who eventually stopped the everlasting loops, when he FINALLY got them to yell for him, after more than a hundred time loops. Talk about "deja vu all over again..." Since the tour guide never says when the sisters were vanquished, it could've been when Chris was a baby just as much as when he was 14--as I said, I truly don't believe a word he ever said--only if it's verified by someone else.
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Post by erikamarie on Jan 24, 2010 15:30:27 GMT -5
the Charmed Ones were responsible for well over a thousand demon vanquishes,said the tour guide,I think that vanquishing more than a thousand demons have taken several years Moreover, during the vision quest Phoebe sees the future not yet changed and sees Piper with two children who must be between ten and twelve years.Though it makes no sense thinking of Chris lying about his age when Piper died (for what?),the tour guide words and Phoebe' s vision indicate that Piper has lived a dozen years afterChris birth
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Post by Esmeralda on May 5, 2010 10:56:40 GMT -5
the Charmed Ones were responsible for well over a thousand demon vanquishes,said the tour guide,I think that vanquishing more than a thousand demons have taken several years This is the reason why I think you're right and that the sisters were vanquished when the boys were in their teens during the original future, so they're not in an eternal loop. BUT I *do* still think they all died during the explosion at the end of "Kill Billie, Vol 2". Nothing has been said that has made me think otherwise. For the comic books, I'll believe that "Forever Charmed" is Piper's delusion while she's in a coma after she *almost* dies so that anything can happen to anyone. Otherwise there will be no drama, since we know that all three will live long enough to each have three kids and Piper and Leo will live to be old people. No, that wasn't during Phoebe's visionquest - in her visionquest, the boys were still quite young. And as proven by Leo's visionquest, I don't think they show the actual future, but more what the future *could* be - what it could be if the person having the quest fulfills their destiny. Had the Charmed Ones not died during Forever Charmed, then Phoebe *might* have had her daughter when the boys were older. What you're thinking of was the premonition of the Avatars' utopia during S7. That obviously never came about either. Actually it makes plenty of sense for Chris to lie about his age, the way he lied about so many other things. If he was only fourteen (as I believe he was, which is why he said Piper died when he was fourteen, - I now think the sisters were all vanquished shortly before he came back, part of the reason why he did come back - the one who's in her 20's is Bianca, not Chris.) they never would've believed a word he said. Although Phoebe's visionquest means nothing, the tour guide's words is the only reason I agree with you - unlike Chris (I don't believe a single word the True Big Bad of Charmed, whose name shouldv'e been Brad, ever said) the tour guide would have no reason to lie.
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Post by ljones on May 6, 2010 13:09:28 GMT -5
Wasn't it mentioned in "Chris-Crossed" that Evil Wyatt was the one who had killed Phoebe? Is it possible that Phoebe was the last Charmed One who was killed?
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Post by Esmeralda on May 6, 2010 14:20:43 GMT -5
Wasn't it mentioned in "Chris-Crossed" that Evil Wyatt was the one who had killed Phoebe? Is it possible that Phoebe was the last Charmed One who was killed? No, nothing was ever mentioned about how they were vanquished or whether they were all vanquished at the same time, only that they were. Phoebe might have been the last one; she might have been the first one; we simply don't know. Here's what the tour guide said, the only thing I believe about what happened in the alternate future: [Scene: Future. Manor. A tour guide is showing people around the house.]
Tour Guide: Welcome to the Halliwell memorial museum. A tribute to magic and of course, the Charmed Ones. Please remember there is no digi-capturing, no holographing and most certainly no magic allowed while inside the museum. That's a big one. Don't worry about those probes, folks, they're merely scanning for witches. Now, as we pass through the foyer, note the family portraits hanging on the walls.
(The people walk through the house. Chris and Bianca walk behind them. Chris waves his arm at the probes and they turn away from them.)
Bianca: Nicely done.
Tour Guide: Around here you'll notice just a few of the many mythological creatures the legendary sisters transformed into in their demon fighting hayday. (The sisters' superhero outfits are on mannequins and also Phoebe's mermaid outfit.) Actually, the Charmed Ones were responsible for well over a thousand demon vanquishes before they were finally vanquished themselves. Now, the time is twenty-five years ago. Imagine yourselves standing here on this floor when the Charmed Ones were reborn.
(A holograph appears in the centre of the room of Piper, Phoebe and Paige in "Charmed Again" where the Power of Three is united again.)
Paige: (in holograph) Okay, what was that?
Leo: (in holograph) I think that means you're supposed to be here.
(In the holograph, Shax barges through the door and knocks the girls down. The crowd gasps. The tour guide turns off the holograph.)
Tour Guide: Scares them every time. Okay, let's head over to the kitchen where many of the sisters' classic potions were brewed. Some of which are available from purchase in the gift shop on the way out. (They all move into the kitchen.) Of course, the attic was the preferred spot for potion making, principally because that's where they kept the famed Book of Shadows. Which is where we're headed next. A little background on the manor itself, it was actually...
(bolding mine) As I said before, anything that Chris said I take with a 20-ton grain of salt.
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