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Post by sol on Nov 27, 2015 11:41:32 GMT -5
The Cafè is a board to talk of Charmed or to make a list of all series more beautiful of Charmed?
Star Trek is an historic serie, Charmed isn't but who signs up at the Cafe wish to talk of Charmed, nothing more
Happy Birthday to Star Trek, talk of it in the right border, if you think is a so stupid thing bieng here and talking of the sisters, why are you here?
Some of us like to talk of the sisters, maybe we are stupid but it's what we want to do
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2015 12:21:34 GMT -5
Exactly where did I say it was stupid to talk about the sisters? I know that English is not your first language, Sol, but surely you can see that I said no such thing.
Do NOT put words into my mouth, I really hate when people do that. Okay?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2015 14:01:17 GMT -5
Nothing wrong if Charmed is evaluated as pure entertainment,it's not an educational program, none TV serie has to be it Buffy isn't a philosophical encyclopedia or an emergency manualfor teens in crisis What was I supposed to learn from Buffy,that vampires are sexy? OK, where could I grab one of them? Buffy was a very groundbreaking show for the portrayal of women on TV. It subverted old-timey horror tropes about the blonde cheerleader always being the first to die, as well as smashed the Smurfette Principle to bits. Instead of a lone, weak Token Chick surrounded by strong men, we had a lone, weak Token Guy (Xander) surrounded by strong women (Buffy, Willow, Cordelia, Anya, Tara, Faith, etc.). It also brought us one of the first mainstream, non-fetishistic portrayals of a lesbian relationship on TV (Willow/Tara), even if the execution was somewhat flawed (ie. Season 6). Much has been written about Buffy's impact in academia. Countless other shows, ranging from Charmed to Alias to Kim Possible to Veronica Mars to Pretty Little Liars, can all cite Buffy as an influence. The TV landscape of the 21st Century would look very different without Buffy. Yet, at the same time, Buffy also still holds up as rather fresh and modern, despite having ended 12 years ago. This is sadly because genre TV hasn't really progressed that much for women since 2003.None of this is true for Charmed. Very few shows can directly cite Charmed as an influence, and the few that could never really got off the ground and died quick deaths (ie. Eastwick, The Secret Circle, The Witches of East End). Charmed's impact on the larger TV landscape was actually rather small. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2015 18:48:13 GMT -5
The influence of Buffy the Vampire Slayer is obvious on Kim Possible (the creator must be a Whedon fan).
1. You have what appears to be an average teenage girl, (Buffy Summers/Kim Possible), who goes to school, is a cheerleader. However, this girl leads a double life as a super heroine (she slays vampires/fights crime).
2. She has a group that helps her (Scooby Gang/Ron, Wade, etc).
3. She has an opposite, who matches her in skill. This opposite used to be a hero, but went rogue (Faith/Shego).
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2015 3:46:06 GMT -5
Nothing wrong if Charmed is evaluated as pure entertainment,it's not an educational program, none TV serie has to be it Buffy isn't a philosophical encyclopedia or an emergency manualfor teens in crisis What was I supposed to learn from Buffy,that vampires are sexy? OK, where could I grab one of them? Buffy was a very groundbreaking show for the portrayal of women on TV. It subverted old-timey horror tropes about the blonde cheerleader always being the first to die, as well as smashed the Smurfette Principle to bits. Instead of a lone, weak Token Chick surrounded by strong men, we had a lone, weak Token Guy (Xander) surrounded by strong women (Buffy, Willow, Cordelia, Anya, Tara, Faith, etc.). It also brought us one of the first mainstream, non-fetishistic portrayals of a lesbian relationship on TV (Willow/Tara), even if the execution was somewhat flawed (ie. Season 6). Xena: Warrior Princess did all that before Buffy, and the execution of Willow's lesbian relationship was flawed from beginning to end. |
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Nov 28, 2015 4:08:02 GMT -5
I was going to mention that to but you beat me to it. Ha, ha, ha although Xena mayn't have been more popular fandom wise than Buffy I don't know.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2015 4:08:52 GMT -5
The influence of Buffy the Vampire Slayer is obvious on Kim Possible (the creator must be a Whedon fan). 1. You have what appears to be an average teenage girl, (Buffy Summers/Kim Possible), who goes to school, is a cheerleader. However, this girl leads a double life as a super heroine (she slays vampires/fights crime). 2. She has a group that helps her (Scooby Gang/Ron, Wade, etc). 3. She has an opposite, who matches her in skill. This opposite used to be a hero, but went rogue (Faith/Shego). What you described is Spider-man, Sailor Moon, Harry Potter, etc... Average teenager(Peter Parker/Harry Potter) who goes to school, leads a double life(as Spider-man/a wizard), group of friends that help them(Harry Osbourne/Ron, Hermione), opposite who matches them in skill(Venom/Draco Malfoy). That format is not unique to Buffy the Vampire Slayer. |
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Post by sol on Nov 30, 2015 11:07:21 GMT -5
Exactly where did I say it was stupid to talk about the sisters? I know that English is not your first language, Sol, but surely you can see that I said no such thing. Do NOT put words into my mouth, I really hate when people do that. Okay? I didn't put words in your mouth, Tim, I don't need it, many posts speak for themselves Just to be clear: even if my mother language is Spanish that doesn't mean that I cannot speak fluent English I am leaving for York this evening, next week I'll go to Manchester, to stipulate contracts for my agency Don't worry, I'll not say: good morning stupid But let's use logic In the Cafè it happens that interesting discussions were cut off by drastic posts that emphasize that : Charmed sucks Apart from the first 3 seasons, the other 5 are suitable for adolescent males or poor women still leaving in the '50s Phobe is a "guarra" Piper is a hateful whiner, no matter that che is the favorite sister of so many, just it's named Piper the mudslinging posts begin St Prue, St Constance, it seems a Catholic litany and woe betide if you don't agree Kern sucks Spelling sucks The producers were men of 50s: it may be, but at least they agreed to characters of modern women as Prue and Phoebe, sexually free women, so they are less '50s then those who are outraged by that I could go on and on and report of messages by members silent for long time that write me to be careful of what I write here because those who loved all of Charmed are mocked Are we joking? Then, dear Tim,there is no need to be explicit and use the word stupid, this word is implicit in the continuous, relentless, exhausting belittling critique In the case you had not ever noticed, well,it's an opportunity to change your attitude towards those who have different but equally licit tastes |
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Post by sol on Nov 30, 2015 11:33:11 GMT -5
Nothing wrong if Charmed is evaluated as pure entertainment,it's not an educational program, none TV serie has to be it Buffy isn't a philosophical encyclopedia or an emergency manualfor teens in crisis What was I supposed to learn from Buffy,that vampires are sexy? OK, where could I grab one of them? Buffy was a very groundbreaking show for the portrayal of women on TV. It subverted old-timey horror tropes about the blonde cheerleader always being the first to die, as well as smashed the Smurfette Principle to bits. Instead of a lone, weak Token Chick surrounded by strong men, we had a lone, weak Token Guy (Xander) surrounded by strong women (Buffy, Willow, Cordelia, Anya, Tara, Faith, etc.). It also brought us one of the first mainstream, non-fetishistic portrayals of a lesbian relationship on TV (Willow/Tara), even if the execution was somewhat flawed (ie. Season 6). Much has been written about Buffy's impact in academia. Countless other shows, ranging from Charmed to Alias to Kim Possible to Veronica Mars to Pretty Little Liars, can all cite Buffy as an influence. The TV landscape of the 21st Century would look very different without Buffy. Yet, at the same time, Buffy also still holds up as rather fresh and modern, despite having ended 12 years ago. This is sadly because genre TV hasn't really progressed that much for women since 2003.None of this is true for Charmed. Very few shows can directly cite Charmed as an influence, and the few that could never really got off the ground and died quick deaths (ie. Eastwick, The Secret Circle, The Witches of East End). Charmed's impact on the larger TV landscape was actually rather small. The Witches of Eastwick is a book of a nice writer and it's from 1984 I never watched the series I'm not so fond of supernatural novels I watched Buffy without being particularly amazed The reason is a great cultural difference:in Spanish high schools the athletes haven't particular carefulness, the girl who skips to the edges of the stadium doesn't exist, (no girl'ld do it) and the girls who has relevance in school is those in politics or that belong to particular associations, environmentalist or cultural Here the feminism was born between 1931 and 1939, with the Civil War and the emergence of a collective consciousness, we grow in the myth of women as Dolores Ibarruri or Margarita Nelken, perhaps this is the reason because I have only seen in Buffy the umpteenth teenage heroine able to save the world while her mother thinks she's doing her homework in her room |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2015 14:02:58 GMT -5
In case anyone is wondering why I put Sol on Block, those last two posts should tell you why. It's a move that I don't often make, but I have little patience for people who seem to have nothing better to do than put words in people's mouths and start an argument. Her posts just aren't worth my time.  |
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Post by erikamarie on Nov 30, 2015 15:48:28 GMT -5
Buffy was a very groundbreaking show for the portrayal of women on TV. It subverted old-timey horror tropes about the blonde cheerleader always being the first to die, as well as smashed the Smurfette Principle to bits. Instead of a lone, weak Token Chick surrounded by strong men, we had a lone, weak Token Guy (Xander) surrounded by strong women (Buffy, Willow, Cordelia, Anya, Tara, Faith, etc.). It also brought us one of the first mainstream, non-fetishistic portrayals of a lesbian relationship on TV (Willow/Tara), even if the execution was somewhat flawed (ie. Season 6). Much has been written about Buffy's impact in academia. Countless other shows, ranging from Charmed to Alias to Kim Possible to Veronica Mars to Pretty Little Liars, can all cite Buffy as an influence. The TV landscape of the 21st Century would look very different without Buffy. Yet, at the same time, Buffy also still holds up as rather fresh and modern, despite having ended 12 years ago. This is sadly because genre TV hasn't really progressed that much for women since 2003.None of this is true for Charmed. Very few shows can directly cite Charmed as an influence, and the few that could never really got off the ground and died quick deaths (ie. Eastwick, The Secret Circle, The Witches of East End). Charmed's impact on the larger TV landscape was actually rather small. The Witches of Eastwick is a book of a nice writer and it's from 1984 I never watched the series I'm not so fond of supernatural novels I watched Buffy without being particularly amazed The reason is a great cultural difference:in Spanish high schools the athletes haven't particular carefulness, the girl who skips to the edges of the stadium doesn't exist, (no girl'ld do it) and the girls who has relevance in school is those in politics or that belong to particular associations, environmentalist or cultural Here the feminism was born between 1931 and 1939, with the Civil War and the emergence of a collective consciousness, we grow in the myth of women as Dolores Ibarruri or Margarita Nelken, perhaps this is the reason because I have only seen in Buffy the umpteenth teenage heroine able to save the world while her mother thinks she's doing her homework in her room I also don't have a great passion for the teenagers who save the world from a chemistry lesson and a shopping with mom The figure of the cheerleader is unknown in my country -for luck! - so it's unlikely to have identification processes It's been ages since the cute girls have stopped being rescued: an example for all, in 1977 the Princess Leia saved the image of all the princesses, holding a laser gun |
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Post by Nimue on Nov 30, 2015 16:17:59 GMT -5
The Witches of Eastwick is a book of a nice writer and it's from 1984 I never watched the series I'm not so fond of supernatural novels I watched Buffy without being particularly amazed The reason is a great cultural difference:in Spanish high schools the athletes haven't particular carefulness, the girl who skips to the edges of the stadium doesn't exist, (no girl'ld do it) and the girls who has relevance in school is those in politics or that belong to particular associations, environmentalist or cultural Here the feminism was born between 1931 and 1939, with the Civil War and the emergence of a collective consciousness, we grow in the myth of women as Dolores Ibarruri or Margarita Nelken, perhaps this is the reason because I have only seen in Buffy the umpteenth teenage heroine able to save the world while her mother thinks she's doing her homework in her room I also don't have a great passion for the teenagers who save the world from a chemistry lesson and a shopping with mom The figure of the cheerleader is unknown in my country -for luck! - so it's unlikely to have identification processes It's been ages since the cute girls have stopped being rescued: an example for all, in 1977 the Princess Leia saved the image of all the princesses, holding a laser gun |
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Post by Sasha on Mar 26, 2018 21:14:25 GMT -5
I'm glad to see 8 years later from when this thread was created, it is still stronger than ever and the board is still standing.
Let's hope it keeps going strong for another decade.
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Post by evamarie on Mar 28, 2018 8:07:50 GMT -5
I couldn't connect with Buffy either: in large part because none of the teens seemed authentic in either looks or acting. I slogged through to early S2 before giving up on it. It also skews very young in its intended demographic: I already felt too old watching it in my 20s (even though I grew up with it in the original run).
Charmed did have an impact on the landscape of female-driven TV in general. It also has a widespread international appeal. It's not as heavily American as Buffy is - like already said above. No other country has cheerleaders and the high school politics are different. It's easier to relate to Charmed in that sense.
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Post by Aaeiyn on Aug 31, 2021 19:01:48 GMT -5
It'll always resonate, for me. I love re-watching it. It's my favorite show, still (including ALL the later seasons).
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